Klieger writes that Israel under Barak and Olmerd offered the "Palestinians" a state. That is not true.
Rabin, Peres, Barak, Netanyahu, Sharon, Olmerd and Netanyahu again offered PLO/Fatah a Palestinian state.
This failed because PLO/Fatah is a corrupt racist terror organization that exists only to launder money and destroy Israel.
Most Arabs want peace. The only way to achieve peace is the Shamir plan: completely destroy PLO/Fatah, and then offer peace directly to the people themselves, clan by clan, village by village.
israel israeli ,
2. Ynet scraping the barrel
The author has nothing whatsoever to add to the tired, old, outdated right wing point of view.
3. Double mistake:most Arabs do NOT want peace with the Jew/
Infidel and not only on "their" territory: they neither want it in London/ Paris /Stockholm/Berlin....
It's the Koran, stupid!
It is heartwarming though, to see this type of thinking gaining turf in the electronic media. Few years ago it would've been suicidal for a journalist to voice such opinion in public.
Who knows: maybe there will come a day when we'll finally start pulling Sct. Itzhak down from his pedestal???
4. I wonder if they know what to do after the Jews are gone
Speaking theoretically of course.
This entire region is one of narratives, dreams, fantasies, imagination, myths, and stories; there is no beginning, middle or end and there is no such thing as ending a conflict in the ME.
The artificial borders imposed on the ME in the 20th century are gradually disappearing, and the infinite desert is once again raising its sandy head only to devour everyone; sometimes concealing and sometimes revealing.
The west is trying to impose its rational way of thinking on a region that cannot absorb a foreign entity (rational reason) into it.
Until we understand the mindset, we will keep on going round and round in circles, and arguing endlessly among ourselves. Israel will have to manage the situation for a very long time; as there is no end in sight.
There is no solution
5. excellent editorial
the arabs will not stop their murderous jihad for as long as they do not suffer a total defeat. unfortunately, the west will always try to stop israel from defeating her enemies.
Cipora Julianna Kohn ,
6. Straight talk this
7. Stop all the political games: they mean nothing!!!
The only thing the political game does is it assures the fake Palestinians that they can continue to try and kill Israelis with impunity. Weak Israeli leadership ties the hands of the IDF, so they aren't allowed to protect Israel proper; and, it's all because of a distorted worldview of the Middle East. The blatant lie that Arafat proffered so much...that the world at large, now, accepts it as truth. Willful blinders won't allow anyone to see the plain truth written in the history books; or, will they accept God's Word that clearly states the boundaries of Israeli land: from the Nile River to the Europhates River. Not until ALL Muslims are driven out of Israeli land, will there ever be peace! That will only happen when Israel's Messiah comes again at His (Jesus Christ) second-coming. It WILL happen!!!
Jake Stone ,
8. Kudos for this opinion piece - right on !
9. Palestinians don't need an excuse
What exactly is the Jew's excuse for building new settlements in the occupied territories?
Hugh Hunt ,
It is our land, we need houses.
Why is that difficult to understand?
11. TO ALL INGENUOUS PEOPLE...
There are still simple-minded people ready to forget the main ideology of Islam: that the world is divided in two areas: Dar-al-Islam (the "residence" of Islam) and the Dar-al-Harb (the "residence" of war), the universe of the non-believers, that has to be conquered by holy war, jihad. Islam still didn't come to terms with their loss of a part of Spain! So it is rather inconceivable that Islam will come to terms with a Jewish state, that they consider as a cancer in their mid, as long as their basic ideology prevails.
12. usual right wing excuses and paranoia
The same old tired right wing excuses being trod out here again aswell as the usual playing of the victim card. Here's an Idea, maybe the Palestinians are rioting because they are impoverished due to the withholding of wages due to economic sanctions placed on the PLO by Israel for having the audacity to believe that the Palestinians have the right to go and ask the United Nations to make them a member and, God Forbid!, equal to Israel diplomaticaly!. Maybe they are angry at being locked up and detained without legal representation, without being charged and without trial, for crimes as pathetic as throwing stones!, and maybe just maybe they are sick and tired of being harassed and bullied by extremist settlers who humiliate them and make them feel small, maybe they are sick of checkpoints and being searched, maybe they are sick of the west bank barrier blocking them off from Jerusalem and annexing their land and maybe just maybe they are sick of having a lack of land to build houses on for a growing population because all the prime real estate goes to extremist Jewish settlers!. Its about time that the realities of occupation became abundantly clear to all good decent Israelis, maintaining it only leads to mutual suffering and only really benefits extremist criminal settlers rewarded with tax breaks and free housing whilst Israelis within Israels borders pay for it with Palestinian resentment. For there to be peace the occupation must be ended.
David Clarke ,
13. palestinians dont need an excuse
This is so true. Why cant more Israeli journalists stand up for Israel for people around the world to get our side of the picture. Our journalists are so busy being "neutral", they are our worst nightmare!
Kfar Saba Israel
14. no. 12
what are you going on about? the arabs behavior is the result of Israel? come on, talk about making them feel small, you're not even giving them the benefit of being human by rationalizing their riots, attacks and terrorism.
15. #12 impoverished
Enough with the lies.
Arabs under Israeli rule (citizens and non-citizens) have the highest level of personal safety, freedom of speech, health care, education, liberty (especially gays and women) and food security in the entire Middle East.
16. #12 Very nicer fables you came up with
Now maybe do some research and find out how much handout money (which Israel has NO jurisdiction or control over) from the US, EU, and even Israel has been stolen by "palestinian" leaders such as Arafat and Abbas, instead of being invested in infrastructure, education and technology, do some research and see how many potential armed terrorists, and women are just as eager to blow themselves up as men, have been stopped at checkpoints, look at a map of Judah and Samaria and see how much of it is still barren and uninhabited and NOT YET annexed, and let me know where I can find some of that free housing you advertise, because when I lived in Samaria, I had to buy my house. And if you want to talk about occupation, read some of your own history.
17. # 2 try reading the Hamas Charter
It maybe repetition to you but it needs re emphasis for the simple reason that nothing has changed on the Arab side .
The Hamas charter begins ' Israel exists and will continue to exist until Islam obliterates it as it has others before it ' .
That's fairly categoric in intent . If you are still not sure read through the Charter till you come to the articles quoting various Hadith referring to Jews as descendants of apes and pigs .
Israelis may be many things but they are not stupid . It helps when your enemy is so transparent about his intentions .
18. Right on!
mr. kleiger is 100% accurate in his assesment of the arabs- israeli conflict- arab rejection of the "zionist entity in its midst" has been the core to this conflict.
only a decisive blow to the arab blow in which the air will defalte out their sails ,so to speak, will make the arabs realize once and for all that israel is here to stay!
19. Which country would release prisoners because of threats?
Michael Redbourn ,
20. You may well be right
But alas, there is something that undercuts your argument: Israeli settlements in West Bank. Because of these settlements it now looks exactly the opposite: that it is Israel who does not want two states but just one state on all land.
So don't be surprised if no one believes you. You have lost credibility.
21. to #1 not a mistake my friend, Abu mazen
in interview explained, the reason for rejecting Olmert offer is the area for the Israelis to give up wasn't big enough, the offer was generous.
If arabs wanted peace y shoot rockets on Israeli civilians. you forget, if the palis wanted peace they would condemn the past weekend violant riots. but that what they always did in between riots just to make the international arena be quiet, so today it means nothing.
there was no occupation between 1948-1967.
a lot of israeli jews were murdered and attacked by arabs and palestinians ,mercilessly during all those years where israel didn't occupy an inch of gaza and west bank and east jerusalem.
thousands upon thousands of jews in israel were murdered by suicide bombers that were palestinians coming from gaza (under egyptian control) and the west bank and east jerusalem (under jordanian control) between 1048 and 1967.
how come?????? why would they kill israelis when israel then didn't occupy a single inch of "palestinian" territory?????? there was zero occupation ten so why continue to murder israelis??????
also, between 1948-1967 both egypt and jordan had full control of gaza and the west bank with east jerusalem. total control over all palestinians by arabs, not jews and israelis.
isn't it funny that between 1948-1967, NOT A SINGLE ARAB NATION, NOT A SINGLE PALESTINIAN LEADER, NOT A SINGLE WESTERN LEADER EVER EVER EVER DEMANDED A CREATION OF A PALESTINIAN STATE. NEVER.
I WONDER WHY IS THAT?????
It´s jewish national home by international law. The article 22 of the league of nations is very clear. Why do you think it lost its validity??
24. #4 What will they do?
If you really want to find out just look to our North and West.
To our North Sunnis are killing Shites and Christians, Shites are killing Sunnis and civilians.
To our West the Sunnis are killing Copts.
Lack of Jews has nothing to do with Islamic blood lust. They kill because they can and need no other reason and lack of Jews is never a problem for Xenophobes.
25. Are Jews Prepared to Wait Forever?
The odds are nothing ever will allow the Fakestinians to love their children more than they hate us. To apply Golda Meir's ridiculous sound bite to the real situation is to defy experience and what we learn about the conflict from our sages.
Those territories were always part of the Jewish Homeland, frst as signed upon by the Jews and Arabs at San Remo in 1922, and even later, when the Brits carved up the Homeland, taking all of the eastern erritory, calling it Jordan, dumping some tin-pot Arab sheikh there as king and calling it a homeland for the Arabs of Palestine. This left Yehuda and shomron, i.e. everything WEST of the Jordan River, as the Jewish Homeland. In 1948, when the Brits left - leaving their usual mess behind - Jordan, along with Egypt, Syria and Lebanon - attacked the fledgling state of Israel, "occupying" Yehuda and shomron, which we then liberated in 1967. Jordan had absolutely no rights to those territoris but the sad fact is, they and all Arabs have convinced the West otherwise, not that the West - people like yourself - will every give credit and belief to Israel.
We don't need an excuse to build anywhere. We have the right under International law.
27. both muslims and jews are missed up people
to be honest , both sides are not capable of understanding each other , both ignorant and stupid.. they will continue to fight till one side vanish , but here i could blame the israelis more as they are the ones who invaded the Palestinian land and continue to argue that they have the right to do so since the Palestinians are not nice enough . so what? even if they are stupid or don't love their kids , you still have no right to oppress them and take more and more land . your argument is weak , i do not like my neighbor , she is rude but i do not plan to punish her and i do not plan to steal from her even if she does't like my existence and don't like the fact I'm an atheist .
Mayse Mohammed ,
28. To: No. 9
First of all, keep in mind that Judea and Samaria are nonsovereign. Secondly, keep in mind that Judea and Samaria were reacquired in the course of fighting a DEFENSIVE war against Jordan. Thirdly, keep in mind that Israel has every right to settle, retain and even annex Judea and Samaria. Annexation is inevitable. And when that happens, Israel will repatriate all the ersatz "Palestinians" illegally squatting in Judea and Samaria to Jordan, country of their citizenship. We don't want a violent terrorist rabble in our midst.
I trust I have answered your questions.
Sarah B ,
U.S.A. / Israel
29. To: No. 27
"Invaded?" What "invasion?" It was the Arabs who attacked Israel on six occasions. And lost.
Boo hoo hoo. Cry me a river. The moral of the story is: don't start wars unless you are really, truly certain that you will win. There are consequences to waging wars of aggression, and these are rarely pleasant for the loser. The ersatz "Palestinians" are not exempt from having to deal with the consequences of their actions.
Sarah B ,
U.S.A. / Israel
30. #12 Davie, my ignorant bloke
Amongst other things, most of these arabs you feel so sorry for were imported to Israel by your country to go against the very mandate they were given. Instead they were busy handing my people to your cousin Hitler for killing. That make you toads his accomplices. Your leaders should have been hung like Himmler and the rest.