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Erdogan: Hamas vital to peace talks
Yitzhak Benhorin
Published: 17.05.13, 21:04
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61. # 19 sipahi, Istanbul
BUILD BABY BUILD !!! ,   United States   (05.18.13)
If you really care for the Muslim children try reasoning with Assad and the rebels to end this genocide. All the rest is rhetoric. It was never the Jews you Muslims had to fear, it was and is your own leaders.
62. # 23 Yes Shlomo, USA
BUILD BABY BUILD !!! ,   United States   (05.18.13)
no losing side gets to dictate terms. The Muslims remain kings of denial. They also remain slaves of their own leaders and their traditional systems which are defined by captivity. Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Turkey all are finding themselves with many new Syrian citizens to care for. Divine justice... They forget Israel was formed and given to His chosen people, the Jews. G-d bless Israel.
63. # 3 Jerome YES!!!!
BUILD BABY BUILD !!! ,   United States   (05.18.13)
Neville 'cave in' Chamberlain...
64. #1 The simple way
Sasha B   (05.18.13)
The simple way would be for you lot to join the human race. Only 900 killed? Compare that to how many Palestinians you have killed, then add to that innocent Lebanese, Syrian, Sudanese, Jordanians and Egyptians. 900 over all these years is pretty insignificant isn't it?
65. #18
Sasha B   (05.18.13)
I have some questions for you too Kermit. I would also like to know why some children are locked up in prison in Israel without any solid evidence or justification? I would also like to know why people are being dictated to in Israel? Why is the Nakba Day banned? Such Israeli questions need to be answered.
66. How could Hamas be vital to anything if it:
Jehudah Ben-Israel ,   Qatzrin, Israel   (05.18.13)
1) Refuse, categorically, to accept Israel's right to exist? 2) Refuse, categorically, to cease all acts of terror and violence against Israel and Israelis, and objects to its decommissioning of illicit weapons? 3) Refuses, by definition, to adhere to the agreements reached with Israel and signed by the parties? Vitality means life. Hamas worships death. How could such an organization be vital to peace...??!!
67. To: No. 55
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (05.18.13)
Keep talking to yourself in the mirror. Perhaps someday you will manage to convince yourself that your fairy-tale wishful thinking is the truth. It isn't. But in the meantime, I suggest that you look out the window. Turkey's in a dismal economic state. Printing money (which Turkey is doing, by the container-load) is not a fix for Turkey's sinking economy. Go on and believe your own nonsense -- or do something about it. Your country doesn't have a lot of time before it sinks back into fourth or fifth world despair. You need to act now ..... or drown. Your choice, honey.
68. # 1 Chaim ABSOLUTELY RIGHT ON THE MARK.
BUILD BABY BUILD !!! ,   United States   (05.18.13)
You couldn't be more right. Shabbat Shalom.
69. # 6 arne, chicago usa AMEN TO THAT!!!
BUILD BABY BUILD !!! ,   United States   (05.18.13)
It isn't up to either erdogen or obama to speak for Israel much less to speak of her ceding any of the Holy Land to muslim barbarians. You are 110$ right. Shabbat Shalom.
70. # 23 Yes Shlomo, USA
BUILD BABY BUILD !!! ,   United States   (05.18.13)
no losing side gets to dictate terms. The Muslims remain kings of denial. They also remain slaves of their own leaders and their traditional systems which are defined by captivity. Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Turkey all are finding themselves with many new Syrian citizens to care for. Divine justice... They forget Israel was formed and given to His chosen people, the Jews. G-d bless Israel.
71. # 43 Harold LOL ha ha
BUILD BABY BUILD !!! ,   United States   (05.18.13)
Israel is thriving as you sputter empty threats to Israel. All this while your Muslim brothers are slaughtering one another with 'religious' glee. The problems are NOT that of Israel now, are they dearie? I notice most of you pro pal terrorists admirers are silent in regards to the Arab Spring and, of course, Syria. You must be scared shitless of Israel if this is all you can post, or, just another minimum wage Tokyo Rose BS propaganda losing style the pals are so famous for. Yawn, you're worth ignoring.
72. @Anton
Kemalist   (05.18.13)
Social Exclusion is no justification for terrorism. Many people suffer from Social Exclusion in Turkey both Kurds and Turks alike. The PKK is nothhing more than an internationally funded and supported terrorist group. Are the journalists the ones placing explosives among innocent people? Why should ordinary people suffer for the actions of past corrupt politicans? How can you be a so-called freedom fighter when you infringe the freedom of others? People should be free to walk the streets without fear of being blown up. When it comes to Turks there is always double-standards involved and the international community tend to speak in a double tongue. A bit like what you are doing comparing Turkey's journalists with those in Guantanamo when really those fugitives hiding in our mountains resemble them even further.
73. To: No. 43
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (05.18.13)
When is the United States planning to release the native Americans from concentration camps (called "reservations") and restore all the lands they stole, in violation of treaties they signed? Unless and until, you'd be a lot better off shutting up. That way, no one will accuse you of being massively hypocritical. Besides -- The Arabs started all six wars, and Israel won all six. The so-called "refugees" were voluntary quits. They don't get to come back. Sorry. You could do with a refresher history course or two.
74. #38. Esther You have a beautiful heart and spirit!
Chaim ,   Israel   (05.18.13)
75. To: No. 59
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (05.18.13)
Oh! Do you mean Galipoli? Seems to me it was the British who took all the pain. But that was easy -- shooting fish in a barrel -- and about what you'd expect from the Turks. Well, actually -- perhaps not. You did, after all, invade defenseless Cyprus. You have been claiming "victories" over defenseless Kurds. When was the last time the Turks took on anyone that can actually hit back?
76. Kemalist
anton ,   istanbul   (05.18.13)
i really sometimes dont like stating openly but rather hope one can read between the lines you have asked for the reasons and i have given them, are they justified or not moral or not is another question pkk is internationlly funded is because of our faults we gave our enemies a chance to hurst us by doing wrong to our own fellow citizens, its even wrong to say kurds sunnies alevis or etnic turks we have turkish identity that consists of all backrounds, this was ataturks vision everyone fought in war of independence for this country and everyone should be tread as equal i dont support pkks terrorism but when you really look at it we pushed them to do it, maybe they have chosen to hurt us to remind us they are hurt as well maybe they didint think thre was another way or simply in this enviroment our neighbours siezed the oppurtunity create and fund kurdish uprising nevertheless, it was our fault as for journalists, they may not be the ones who puts explosions but they help those who accly does the job back in 80ties some journalist were front runner in coup journalism is associated with freedom of speech but its open to security risks as well i strongly belive when army does plan coup they have their contacts in media to shape public opinions afterwards if it was chp in the office and all these journalist were arreested based on possibilities of crime noone would mention them but when its rightwing party like akp it makes people uncomfortable even if concrete evidence is showed for we as soceity have some deep fears which makes us go around circles lets wait to find out when ergenokon case is solved if state was wrong public will take notice...
77. 38
anton ,   istanbul   (05.18.13)
breave heart :)
78. A pate named Erdogan
georgette   (05.18.13)
He dreams to boost Hamas terror, before having even not visited Reyhanli, where more than fifty Turks were massacred by Islamic terror. What a pity for Turkey !?
79. #18 Kemalist
David Israel ,   New York, USA   (05.18.13)
As a 63 year old Yurkish born American Jew let answer some of your questions. There are journalist and surgeons in Silivri, the commandos who raised the Tukish flag over Kardak in Hasdal prison, thousands of Turkish intellectuals jailed for over 5 years telephones of many illegally listened by this government so that they could talk to PKK without any opposition and finally divide Turkey. Read Anton a little bit and see your future better. Israel talked to the moderates among Arabs and at Camp David they offered an independent Palestinian Arab state side by side in peace with a Pakestinian Jewish state. Known to be moderate Arafat refused that offer from fear of those like Hamas who do not want any Hewish state in Palestine. Kemalist dostum; Erdogan may be willing to divide the country that he is in charge of with the votes of his people. But Israelis will never vote for one who would give away the historic Jewish land of Israel. If attacked Jews will fight to protect their only land HOPE ad Ataturk did. There is a park dedicated to Atatufk on tel Aviv where in Turkey his portraits are being removed.
80. Anton
David Israel ,   New York, USA   (05.18.13)
Only terrorists captured oversees in Afghanistan, Iraq etc were sent to Guantanamo. Not one journalist one kidney transplant specialist not one US military commandor or retired soldier were sent to Gusntanamo. Americans protested the war freely without having Brasilian made mustard gas thrown at them. In fact Mrs. Sheehan who lost a son in Iraq put a tent at the entrance of George W Bush farm and protested freely for many months. Anton; don't mix apples and oranges. Erdogan' s ileri demokrasi is nothing like we have here
81. Anton #76
David Israel ,   New York, USA   (05.18.13)
Turkish Jews endured many oppression in Turkey in Kirklareli 1925, Varlik vergisi in 1941, 6-7 September 1955 etc. not to mention all th eanti Semitizm from Necmettin Erbakan and now from AKP. However no Jew has lost teh loyalty to Ataturk's Turkish Republic. TC. There are peaceful ways to fight oppression. India showed this in 1940ies.
82. Kemalist #72 to Anton
David Israel ,   New York, USA   (05.18.13)
Let me remind you that even after the 1936 Kirklareli pogroms, the 1941 varlik vergisi and 20 draft military service and 1955 September 6-7 incidents Turkish Jews have been loyal to the Republic (TC which Erdogan want to remove). It is a fact that Kurts have been oppressed. in Turkey. However as you said nothing justifies the bombing of Mavi Carsi , deliberately setting fire on forests every tourist season. I suport a dialog with some Kurdish political leaders who take their cause the TBMM but not with PKK terrorists and their leaders. However as you have witnessed AKP is using them as witnesses to indict the military leaders who have fought for their country at Kardak, Cyprus, represented Turkish forces in NATO in Afghanistan successfully. So Kemalist dostum, i will reiterate, Israelis are not shy fro mtalking to their opponents about making peace. Hamas on the other hand is stating that they don't and will never recognize a Jewish state. This is why there can be no productive dialogue with them. Just like there can be no productive dialogue with PKK.
83. Ester 38/39
Beary White ,   Norway   (05.18.13)
Never fired a gun.... Yes,as you say..I think there are other areas where you could provide your helping-hand if you want to join IDF, in supply or medics..Just check out your local jewish contacts.
84. @Sarah B
Kemalist   (05.18.13)
What I have noticed about you via your comments is that you have an inherent prejudice behaviour that nobody ever questions you on. You really need to come out of the bubble you live in and thereby broaden your knowledge and understanding about certain subjects. Talking of Cyprus, the 1960 Treaty of Gurantee gave Turkey, Greece, and the UK the right to militarily intervene in an event of severe intercommunal violence, and in 1964 a senior British Army officer named Peter Young took out his green pencil and drew a truce line (the green line) between the Greek and Turkish Cypriots dividing the island into north and south. Cyprus was never defenseless. Her history is too broad for your understanding so it is futile for me to even delve into this subject with you really..... When was the last time the Turks took on anyone that can actually hit back you ask? That is a good question. The answer is: All the time! If somebody's destiny is to fail it does not necessarily mean they are weak. Perhaps they just lack the skills and wisdom necessary to succeed.
85. @David Israel
Kemalist   (05.18.13)
You are correct David. There can never be a productive dialogue with people who are brainwashed and hate-riddled beyond repair :-) Which is really a Catch 22 for those who want to live in unity or stability don't you think?
86. Kemalist #85
David Israel ,   New York, USA   (05.18.13)
Then you agree with me that dialog with Hamas and Israel (similarly between PKK and Erdogan) is not the way o go. A few days ago you accused me for being prejudiced against Muslims. As you see now that I am as much Kemalist (a real one who understands the Kemalist reforms) as you if not more. I am as much a Turkish Patriot as you if not more. And when I see Turkey taken to the edge of division by Erdogan (and his puppeteer Fehullah Gulen) I am not happy. On your first post here you suggested that Israel should talk to Hamas. But I guess you are not happy with the outcome (ot future outcome) of the dialogue between PKK and Erdogan. I suspect that you are disgusted when the Turkish military officers are being accused by PKK leaders in jail who are used as secret witnesses. In that case you must also understand Israel's stand against Hamas. real Kemalist democrats in Turkey must know that they have a friend in Israel that is on the same boat. Time to support each other not to be enemies. As I don't want Israel to disappear from the map, I also don't went my motherland Turkey to be divided. Let's fight hand in hand not against each other.
87. @David Israel
Kemalist   (05.18.13)
It is sometimes difficult to establish what someone is really trying to say or really feels when reading their comments because you cannot actually see them or their facial expressions. So it is quite natural for people to misinterpret what they read sometimes and I own up to that when it comes to YOU but not when it comes to others on this site and their comments. Maybe I did jump the gun when reading YOUR comments the other day. When I first started reading your comments (which was when I first started reading articles on ynetnews) I did always feel you were proud of both your Turkish and Jewish heritage and I felt that you cared for Turkey and Israel equally. This is why I reacted the way I did the other day because you never addressed that person as an individual did you? It was more of a 'they' as opposed to 'you' kind of comment (Please correct me if I am wrong). I don't want Turkey to lose Israel as a friend either or have people in both these countries despise eachother because of a few rotten apples. I never have done.
88. #25 Kemalist
Poco Loco   (05.18.13)
It is true that Syria and Pal Araps stabbed the Turk on the back during WW1. It is true that Ataturk was the leader who saved the dignity of Turkey, But look at the clown who is the leader of Turkey now.
89. #55 Anton
Poco Loco   (05.18.13)
All that you said is correct. But does not change the fact that the presen PM is a clown.
90. Kemalist 87
David Israel ,   New York, USA   (05.18.13)
All these Israelis who are commenting here and seem to be angry at Turkey (only because of RTE and AKP) will be flocking to Antalya, Bodrum, Cesme as soon as things change and they feel safe in Turkey. They will be praising Turkey as soon as Turkey gets back at teh path of the last Ecevit government and the late FM Ismail Cem. As far as that comment: it was addressed to those Muslims such as Hamas Hezbullah and AKP's followers. Unfortunately today 50% of Turks ar inthat team and many others are just pretending to be like that sop that they can get the business opportunities.
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