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Steeped in tradition, haredim face reform drive
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Published: 10.06.13, 07:32
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1. Not even Torah trumps "rabbis' word" is rabbi-olatry
Israeili Jew ,   Israel   (06.10.13)
Christians superseded Torah with New Testament Islam superseded Torah with Quran Haredim superseded Torah with rabbis' authority No difference! If it's ok for any, then it's ok for all.
2. Ultra-Orthodox
h.s.cohen ,   n.y.c. usa   (06.10.13)
Tell the government whores to stop funding them!!!
3. Chiddush versus Gedolei HaDor
Joseph ,   London UK   (06.10.13)
If we have to follow Chiddush or the Gedolei HaDor, I've no doubt whom I will follow. Changes of this sort happen gradually, as is being done, not overnight as Chiddush would like.
4. IF you force a choice
Aaron Kuperman ,   Baltimore, MD   (06.11.13)
If hareidim are given the choice between Torah and Mitsvos, or being considered enemies of the state, they will choose the later, and support the only peaceful solution to the Arab-Israeli conflict that is acceptable to the Arabs, that is to say abolishing the zionist state. With support for a signficant and highly visible part of the Jewish community, the Arab's chances of success will be greatly enhanced.
5. #4-Khareidim choice is between Torah or rabbi-olatry
Paqid Yirmeyahu ,   netzarim.co.il   (06.11.13)
Imposed ignorance = sons of darkness who are some rabbis zombies vs education and resulting knowledgeable understanding of Torah, producing the Light, and sons of that Light (Torah), for which the world hungers instead of rabbis displacing ha-Sheim (yet another displacement theology like Christianity and Islam) and the outrageously ignorant and arrogant behavior and negative image of Jews and Israel that results When rabbis are teachers of Torah they are good; when they displace ha-Sheim and His Torah they become evil. This rabbi-worship began in the Dark Ages and must stop -- Yehoshua 24.15
6. Haredim are retarded 2,000 years. Tough to reform them.
Michael ,   California, USA   (06.11.13)
The best solution for Israel is to deny citizen rights to those who refuse to change. Grant them privileges which will be on a par with every citizen in exchange for services delivered on a par with every citizen. Like in America.
7. Martial skills May be Needed
Zechariah   (06.11.13)
It's important for a Threatened Nation to have Martial Skills to Protect the Inner circle of Sages.Also economically it is difficult to continue welfare though the ability to be Unemployed and Yet not Disintergrate Psychiatrically is Admirable .It keeps the rate of Employment for those who want to work higher and if the Haredim can live on less income most are poor it's good for the workers .Prayer may produce positive forces and being unarmed they are not dangerous .Eventually Economic Realities will cause more to Work and Have a Trade .Also being consumers they assist the Market by Spending the Money sought of goes around.
8. Prison
David Sher   (06.11.13)
"We'll go to jail. Don't put us to the test," Friend, you are in jail now, only you don't know it. You have been brainwashed by your leaders to believe that what you are doing is traditional, but it is in fact an entirely modern approach to Judaism, one that is not supported by Chazal.
9. If haredis ever take up arms
stargazer   (06.12.13)
It would be against Israel, to protect themselves from Godless Israeli govt.
10. 6 The Haredim are avant-garde.
ORA ,   JERUSALEM   (06.12.13)
As Maurois said:The 20th century will be religious or will not be.
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