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Soon they'll ask to pray naked
Dov Halbertal
Published: 09.07.13, 19:59
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61. These women want to show they will have things their way
Sam ,   Canada   (07.10.13)
Because they said so. After this it will be something else.
62. 100% right. true. I agree with every word.
hadad ,   u.k   (07.10.13)
63. Defaming and degrading nonsense
Shalom Freedman ,   Jerusalem Israel   (07.10.13)
What is the point of a hate- filled piece like this? Is it to prove just how dehumanizing, intolerant, and one- way traffic the author of this piece is?
64. Nothing wrong in praying nude
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65. Im against the practice...
JGad ,   Israel   (07.10.13)
of women of the wall wearng tefiling and tallit. Is stupid and i dont need arguments to probe it. On the other hand theres no such thing as secularism as new religion. What have done men to preserve the saintity of the kotel ? Israeli goverment and jewish religios leaders allow every sigle goy doesnt matter if he is a president, celebrity or tourist to be near the wall, to pray there, to use a kipa, so the kotel it doesnt seems to me as kosher as it have to be. You religious men can invent sll the laws you want but what im saying is true, so you mr dov dont cry as a woman what you havent defend as a man! Have a nice day sir!
66. Inappropriate content should not have been published
.R ,   Tel Aviv, Israel   (07.10.13)
The content of this article was really inappropriate. Could you imagine your kids reading this nonsense when they check the news?
67. What a load of BS the authour should get a real job
Haim ,   TA   (07.10.13)
68. Who let this lunatic print this article?
Jew1 ,   Ashdod   (07.10.13)
This article shows that hareidim are also brainwashed just like muslims. There is no difference.
69. NUDE???
Joe ,   Jonestown   (07.10.13)
Hey, if they were pretty, I'd agree! The problem is, most of them look a lot like Shimon Peres.
70. And you wonder why the world finds "Jews" disgusting?
Philosopher ,   Israel   (07.10.13)
Because the most visible & vocal ARE disgusting and despicable!
71. Selective recall of tradition, horribly irrelevant argument
Justyn Trenner ,   London, England   (07.10.13)
Dov Halbertal's analysis is horrible, shtuyot and selective. WoW have great traditions on their side - if you choose to research and recall them (Rashi's daughter as an example) - and suggesting that committed, knowledgeable women wishing to follow Jewish tradition want to run naked is stupid, without foundation and offensive. Mr Halbertal should recall the tradition - no, halachic requirement - of placing the best possible construction on the actions of others.
72. Good, That will get even more men to the KOTTEL.
Alan ,   Israel   (07.10.13)
73. Progress
(07.10.13)
50 tears ago it was unthinkable that a man wed another man. But 3 y/o, a woman in Florida wed a horse and the "priest" was standing by. The world is moving forward, my friends.
74. Dov Halbertal and the rabbinate.
David Clarke ,   Liverpool, England   (07.10.13)
Good grief is this truly what the Ultra-Orthodox and the Settler religious fanatics believe?, I've read some rubbish in my time but this just takes the biscuit, it must be the only article in history that has suggested that the efforts for egalitarian religious prayer by women at the Western Wall is a form of "evil rampant secularism". Dov Halbertal is a fine example of why the Rabbinate should be disolved and Synagogues should be run by a loose confederation of independent Rabbis each with jurisdiction over their own community instead, the rabbinate has become like a Jewish Taliban, a corrupt institution run by mafiosi style criminals, racists, women haters and religious fanatics who despise Non-Jews and anyone that isn't interested in living an Ultra-Orthodox or settler lifestyle. Why this article was published by Ynet is a mystery but Dov Halbertals rubbish almost makes Dov Seagals xenophobic rants about Palestinians and other minorities seem palatable by comparison.
75. Better prayers of nude women than toeivot of Herodim
Sage of the Age ,   Israel   (07.10.13)
76. Lost to reality
Mike ,   Alkmaar, Netherlands   (07.10.13)
Does a jewish law lecturer and former head of the chief rabbi's bureau really have no other argument than one based on a ridiculous hyperbole? A sad show of incompetence and one of the main reasons for the decline of our people. You are creating and accelerating the very thing you are so afraid of.
77. Blathering lunatic
Steve   (07.10.13)
The preceding rant by Dov is devoid of anything resembling logic, rationale, and intelligence. In a word it serves to define religious extremism of all stripes. I find the hijacking of Judaism by fanatics of his ilk tedious and a destructive force.
78. 400 years is not traditional
Dan ,   Kefar Saba   (07.10.13)
To find Jewish tradition the writer needs to go back 2000-3000 years and see what traditions were kept at the time when most Jews lived in one state. As Jews spread out and adapted "strange" customs in far away states, these adapted customs should now be left behind. Included in these are all differences between Etheopean/Sfardi/Askanazi and their spin-offs. I call on the Europeans to remove their European clothing and return to the traditional robes of a desert peoples. What Haridi will wash the feet of a stranger? Who will draw water for a foreigner?
79. Religion, Politics and Sex all in one article
Shachar ,   Eilat   (07.10.13)
Never enjoyed reading talkbacks so much, Dov has everyone's imagination running wild. Now that we know what's about to happen at the Kotel can we get Dov's ideas on what will happen in the synagogues....
80. Nude? Not yet. 1st they'll want a full egalitarian service
jrebecca ,   modiin   (07.10.13)
probably in the mens section, and probably with guitars and other musical instraments on Shabbat. Think the nude bit is ridiculous? It might be now, but the point is the same.
81. That the problem 74
JGad   (07.10.13)
you and many other talkbacks comments have goy mentality. What gave Rome to this country? they destroyed the second temple, and all what you can post here is that orthodox and settlers are fanatics, well let me tell you this am not orthodox and i am not a settler but im a fanatic! The kotel is for jews prayers! If you are jew come to the kotel! If you are not jew, go to pray to the Vatican! Have a nice day sir!
82. Halbertal, Only a sexual pervert could
Stan ,   Israel   (07.10.13)
come up with an idea like this.
83. THIS is the GENIUS of Gemara
Cyberbrain ,   Israel   (07.10.13)
Anyone who thinks Gemara is above the level of shallow is hereby challenged to publish MORE examples of Gemara "genius" Gemara is interesting discussion of legal issues. Nothing "genius" about it!
84. Women of the Wall
Solange Ramos Esteves ,   Sao Paulo - Brasil   (07.10.13)
Sir, and how can we know G'd planned jewish men in black in our centuries because it had'nt ever been like that?
85. They want to don a Thalith and he sees them naked?
Ehud   (07.10.13)
What a dribble!. Women demand to pray the same way as men (adding cloths not removing them) and he sees them naked. What's the obsession of these sexually repressed Haredi men with naked women? 'They want to vote for the Chief Rabbi? Next thing they will want to vote naked! Giving orthodox women a driver's license? What's next - driving naked?" Unfathomable that this guy is a lecturer and worked in the Chief Rabbi's Office (actually given the corruption and scandals not really). He needs to get treatment. And with respect to all nudist secularism (praying women aren't really secular) leading to "post-zionism" - seculars established both the Zionist movement and the State of Israel. As Ariyeh Derri put it: "Zionism was trhe revolt of the secular against the rule of the rabbis"
86. Worst reasoning ever
Benjamin ,   Amsterdam, NL   (07.10.13)
This must be the worst opinion piece I've ever read. Go specious arguments, go! Laughable..!
87. Ivor 41
JGad   (07.10.13)
Politicians thoughts are not naked because of brain teasers lines like yours
88. Temptation
Nosson ,   New York, USA   (07.10.13)
I wonder if the women stripped at the Wall, would the hareidim flee? They stood around the other day, listening to Kol Isha. Did hearing those voices, and looking at the hair of the women, drive these guys into uncontrolled lust?
89. halbertal's article on women at the Kotel
Michael white ,   Roslyn heights, USA   (07.10.13)
Ynet should be ashamed to have published this crap. I'm done with you.
90. if they want to wear tefelin who cares
alan ash ,   nyc ny   (07.10.13)
if they want to wear tefelin who cares . they will see if they follow thru with all that they want . it will be more of a hassle .
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