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Two faces of anti-Semitism
Ora Shapiro
Published: 12.07.13, 12:13
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1. Pure antisemitism
Jarda ,   Czech Republic   (07.12.13)
The antisemitism is really disgusting. For example the article in Aftonbladet...
2. It Didn't Work
Reuven Brauner ,   Raanana, Israel   (07.12.13)
One of the ideological reasons for Zionism and the establishment of the Jewish state was that once we were to have our own country, and be a nation with our own land (and not homeless vagabonds strewn about world; foreign bodies in foreign lands), and we would then be treated like all the other peoples of the world. There would no longer be an excuse to hate the Jew. Zionism was considered an antidote for anti-Semitism. Many denied that thesis, and they were right. Israel, as the homeland for the Jew, is only justified because the Torah gave this land to us. All other reasons are fallacious. All that has happened is that the Goyim have substituted anti-Israel for anti-Semitism. But, that is merely semantics.
3. Passover
Jacob E ,   Holon, Israel   (07.12.13)
When I lived in the USA, I heard people talk about the passover blood ritual from time to time from stupid people, I always would ask them one question... How did Jews perform the ritual before Jesus was born? If the ritual required Christian blood and Christians didn't exist for about a thousand years after the Exodus from Egypt, how did we make our Matzah each year? It makes no sense that we celebrated our exodus from egypt for a thousand years before encorporating some stupid ritual into that needed a religion that hadn't existed up until then. Unfortunately, clarity normally makes people hostile... especially when you wave it in their faces.
4. Aftonbladet
D. ,   Brno, Czech republic   (07.12.13)
Jardo, I agree, the blood libel article in Aftonbladet is one of the worst and most vicious in recent years, overall the media situation in Sweden (and Norway) is especially severe, made me move from there and I am not even Jewish, it's just that although the Swedish society is quite nice on a person to person level; the public discourse is extremely suffocating.
5. Maybe Jews should ask themselves
Non Jewish immigrant ,   Haifa   (07.12.13)
And stop blaming others... An introspection is never damaging. Israeli society is corrupted by the illegal occupation of the West Bank and by the succeeding governments which only preach for more separatism and segregation. When Israelis will actually show to the world that they're capable of being a modern and stable country, the world will be more clement towards them. If criticizing Israel is being antisemitic then there are thousands of antisemites in Israel and I'm one of them.
6. how do you expect
anton ,   istanbul   (07.12.13)
peopğle to like you when you show no mercy for 5 year old kids wheter you like it or not accept or not todays anti semites is your own doing
7. Perhaps we are creating the hatred
Mark ,   Cleveland USA   (07.12.13)
Since the modern state seems to care little about the plight of the Palestinians, and since we make no real honest effort to come to a peaceful solution that would involve any concessions on our part, from my perspective, the hatred of the modern State of Israel has been earned and is justified.
8. what is the equivilent term for
elke ,   usa   (07.12.13)
antipathy toward non-Jews? The derogatory term "goyim" is in common usage here. What should we call that? Anti-rest-of-the-world? If the similarly derogatory terms for Jew were used, there would be an outcry. Or does the Jewish community not care about being offensive?
9. #4
Jarda ,   Czech Republic   (07.12.13)
Because the article was proven as true, the only possible logical conclusion of your words is, that truth is anti-semitic.
10. Anti-Zionism
graczek ,   Maryland, USA   (07.12.13)
This is to be expected and is normal, whatever form it takes. The true reason: Zionism and Jewish territorial sovereignty has been illicit and Old Testament promises nullified through the Presence, Ministry, and Passion of Christ Jesus, which the Hebrews rejected. This is thus their Divinely decreed punishment, which they are resisting to their ultimate grief to come.
11. Anton - I expect
Claude ,   London   (07.12.13)
Intelligent people to be able to distinguish between the actions of a Gov't and the actions, characteristics of a people living in a country. The recent cartoons in the German Press were using an old anti Semitic characture to criticise the actions of the IL Govt. As a Turk, I am sure Anton would be offended if cartoons in Europe criticising the actions of the Turkish Gov't used the old stereotype of the blood thirsty Ottoman hell bent on baksheesh and khazouk in the souk. Mind you the German cartoon did portray the buxom fräulein , hair in a tidy bun and the food tray looked most appetising, we all know the Germans like a hearty meal, or maybe that's just another stereotype. If the IL Govt is critiqued for its handling of 5 year Palestinians throwing stones, then it's best this criticism does not come from a country like Turkey, with its own appalling history viz a viz the Armenians, Kurds and its own citizens
12. Jews have right to exist, not steal, kill, imprison,cleanse
Steve Benassi ,   Silver Bay, MN USA   (07.12.13)
Legitimate criticism of Israel's bad behavior is not antisemitism. The chicken and the egg are two different things, what came first is the real question. One is racism, the other is legitimate criticism.
13. #5, #7, #8
Mike Carmel ,   Rishon le Zion   (07.12.13)
Great to see some common sense here at last.
14. #5 one quick question
arne ,   chicago usa   (07.12.13)
Tell me, why are you there?
15. #14, He wants to be there and was legally admitted.
Michael ,   California, USA   (07.12.13)
Israel is a modern secular country for everyone who qualifies. It is not a Jewish ghetto which excludes others on the basis of their religion. Israel belongs to Israelis, kapish?
16. 14 personal reasons
Non Jewish immigrant   (07.12.13)
Not everyone who comes to Israel is a Zionist Ame. It's 2013 here too. People move all over the world for hundreds of reasons. Hi to beautiful Chicago.
17. #5 GO BACK WHERE YOU COME FROM
Debrah ,   Miami   (07.12.13)
Israel provided you with a land, maybe a job, a house, education, medical. And yet you still despise Jewish heart and identity. You are an ungrateful person. Your passport should be removed. Hateful goyim, never change. Give them your legs, you arms, play nice, try to accommodate them.......still they hate you for being Jewish.
18. 'new antisemitism' is 'old antisemitism'.
BobK ,   Orlando US   (07.12.13)
Antisemitism is the hatred of Jews in whatever form it takes. The haters hate what is the strongest expression of Jewish identity. Judaism is of course strong and eternal but the extremely strong and dynamic nature of the reborn Israel gives Jew haters a new direction for their hatred. This is something which the government of Israel has to fight against at international forums and government to government. Our media and educational institutions must also focus on the dangers presented by the 'new' anti-Semitism.
19. #10 graczek: Wow, you do hate Jews don't you!
Dee Bee ,   Israel   (07.12.13)
You seem to forget that Jesus was a JEW! As for the ultimate grief, well, Hitler and the Nazis tried that and look where it got them!
20. Many kinds of antisemitism
Itamar ,   Ramat Gan   (07.12.13)
I'ts true but not the whole trueth, there are differnend kinds of antisemitism, the classic one, the hate of the jew transformed in the hate of Israel, but there is also a profound and sincere expression of discontent with the settlement policy of Israel, even more and more jews all over the world share this feeling know, and it is not going to dissapear
21. #11 Claude: Ever seen someone hit by a stone?
Dee Bee ,   Israel   (07.12.13)
Come to Israel and see for your self how many Israelis have been killed and maimed by stones thrown by kids. We buried a few not so long ago! Ever thought that if the Palestinians stopped their hatred and started building their country they just might be better off? No one is ever going to get 100% in a settlement. Barak offered Arafat 93% but he refused and so that is Israel's fault too? Criticize Israel. Its very popular but just look at how many Muslims have been killed by Muslims in the past couple of years but Israel is always the bad one! Pity the Israel critics don't look at real oppressors like China and the Tibet occupation! Of course, hating Jews has been around for thousands of years and you can start by looking at the persecution of Jews in England and the UK!
22. #12 arne: My question too!
Dee Bee ,   Israel   (07.12.13)
23. 5.Non Jewish blind immigrant,
J.K. ,   Brooklyn USA   (07.12.13)
Israel handed over Gaza to the palestinians on a silver plate,gaza is a independent palestinian state,how do you justify the war they conduct against Israel ?.the issue is not land,the issue is dogma,the palestinians will not rest,till their wish is fulfilled,Israel will return to what it was before the state was established,desert and swamps,like the reason for Binladen's war against the west :What we did not create we will destroy.
24. Graczek in Maryland
Claude ,   London   (07.12.13)
How appropriate that you live in a place called Maryland. You write and think such utter drivel, you would have been a perfect candidate for a pope of the last century. Even the Vatican today would scoff at your nonsense. Better you stay in Maryland
25. Innacurate statement
Zvi   (07.12.13)
"substitutes hatred of the Jew with demonization of Israel." NO. ONLY: "CAMOUFLAGES hatred of the Jew with demonization of Israel."
26. anti-Semitic
Mazen Wad ,   Amman-Jordan   (07.12.13)
You can Criticize any country in this world, but you can not Criticize Israel, Otherwise , you will be named racist
27. anti-Semitism
vmdeeb ,   somewhere USA   (07.12.13)
Has it occurred to anyone to ask the question as to why anti-Semitism exist instead of using anti-Semitism to label others
28. #6, Anton the kid was being escorted back to his parents
Avi Israeli ,   Tel Aviv   (07.12.13)
So, would you let your 5 year old participate in violent protests against Tukish police during the recent demonstrations in which 4 dead and 5,000 were injured during anti-government protests. I won't even go into the genocide committed against the Armenian nation. Turkey has a long history of violence against it's own people. Just Google 'Taksim Square massacre' to read about what happened in that very same place on May 1, 1977.
29. 12.Steve,Your critsism of Israel is
J.K. ,   Brooklyn USA   (07.12.13)
illegitimate,you are not objective,you are full of hatred toward Israel,and probably toward all Jews,can you say somthing positive about Israel ?.Israel must be doing somthing right,when tens of thousands of Africanos are risking life and limb to reach Israel,for some strange reason the muslims among them don't ask to stay in Egypt,but continue straight to the land of the Jewish infidels,and did you hear that ?.when brother Hamas maimed brother Fatah,by firing close range on their legs,abu maazen asked Israel to help his men,who probably were engaged in violence against Israel,before,Israel agreed to treat them,and the hospital even provided them with artificial limbs,but i am sure,you are willing to listen,only to antisemitic dirt ,you are not rational.
30. graezk #10
arne ,   chicag usa   (07.12.13)
the trouble with you is that your hanging on to something that might not truly excist. you put all your marbles on jesus and the whole concept might be a forgery.the son of god, here on earth, great story. peter the jew sold it and might have made out pretty good.too bad the catholic church couldn't get in on it or they'd be very rich today.
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