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Rabbi Shteinman: Yair Lapid – 'Amalek'
Kobi Nachshoni
Published: 15.08.13, 14:45
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31. senility
Norman Gellman ,   Rehovot   (08.16.13)
There should be a mandatory retirement age for Rabbis or at least a senility test to approve their continued stay in office.
32. Not just Holocaust deniers incorrigible deniers of reality
anon ,   Israel   (08.16.13)
I now understand how "believers" from Christians to Haredim to neo-Nazis to Muslim terrorists see only what their religious leaders tell them. Simply deny reality in order to believe their religious leaders no matter what. Defenders of Haredim are perfect examples.
33. Ora , We have not seen any DENIAL by this rav
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (08.16.13)
so it must be TRUE . It's a serious accusation , and not denying it means that it's true . Your denial is without any value , you are not the rav .
34. Michael Haifa
Non Jewish immigrant ,   Haifa   (08.16.13)
I'd be happy if you'd contact me through my mail njihaifa@gmail.com Hope to chat with you soon
35. Hahahahahah Michael @15
(08.16.13)
You made my day :))
36. # 15 Michael Haifa
Sagi   (08.16.13)
Loony Tunes was, if my childhood memory does not fail me, Hanna Barbera Productions, and we are at the moment, as you say, on that track. Remember the closing words, "that's all folks". That is also his headstone inscription. We are definately heading in that direction.
37. Number 9. Amalek and Minim
Sherlock Holmes ,   London England   (08.16.13)
Everyone agrees there is no Mitzvah of destroying Amalek because even in remote antiquity Amalek ceased to be a separate tribe. Today it's a figure of speech to say remember those who would like to uproot Torah from Israel. The 'minim' mentioned are those Jews who left Judaism for another faith and then falsely attacked Judaism.
38. 37 Historically, the minim were around before the Christians
Historian ,   Israel   (08.16.13)
Minim means "sectarians" and each of the major 3 Judaic sects called the others minim. Later, it included Christians and Sadducees faded out of existence. Minim still means sectarians and Haredim richly deserve the term.
39. Sincerely doubt it!
Pesach Belfer ,   Rehovot   (08.16.13)
Though not considered a talmid of HaRav Shteinman, I know enough to be very, very skeptical regarding this report. I find it very hard to believe that Rav Shteinman said this, and would like to have a source verified. Unfortunately, the reputation of the media lends one to doubt the veracity of the article. As far as those calling for the Rav to react or to "clarify", I really doubt that he even knows that the things were said in his name, if they indeed were. A bit of credit, people.
40. 29 Ora, I respect a man like...
robert ,   antwerp belgium   (08.16.13)
Rav Schteinman for his knowledge in Thora and simplicity in his way of life. The stature he has acquired in the orthodox world gives him a special responsibility both on what he says , doesn't say and what he is supposed to have said. In the case of Lapid, it is his responsibility to deny, if he didn't compare Lapid to Amalek. The reason why is because such a comparison is a call to murder Lapid ( timhe et zecher amalek). Guedolei hador have a special responsibility to maintain the unity of the Jewish people, that's why they should avoid any agressive declaration and should be ready to condemn people from their own flock if they behave badly
41. Hlo
Em ,   Brooklyn ny   (08.16.13)
This rabbi has no idea what people are saying in his name!!! He doesn't use the Internet nor does he use a computer so why the hell does he have to defend what ynet made up about him?? Ps this story was not published on any haraidi website Hebrew or English
42. This rav does not live alone on a remote iskand
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (08.16.13)
He has certainly people around him who have heard or seen this story , and , because it's such a serious accusation , will tell it . So , if he didn't say it , he has no excuse for not denying it .
43. Terrible
Rhonda ,   Chicago, USA   (08.17.13)
Terrible, terrible, terrible, referring to Lapid as Amalek. And weeks before the High Holidays when one is preparing one's self for the High Holidays. Plus, this is nothing but incitement, the kind that led to the assassination of PM Rabin. They should make tzedakkah, do community service, apologize for their lashon Hara. It is things like this that to me are a greater worry than all of Israel's enemies combined.
44. Some TBers have no excuse of ...
ORA ,   JERUSALEM   (08.17.13)
blaming a centenarian ,for not denying lies that has been said about him. Blaming the victim not the hate inciter.Great !
45. What is incorrect?
Ephraim ,   Jerusalem   (08.17.13)
This guy is an enemy to all of us. His policies are driving more people into poverty. We can barely get through the month with all the price hikes and new taxes, and yes, my wife and I both work. This guy is worse than his father, which is saying a lot. All the campaign promises of helping the working man were thrown out as soon as he took office. Nothing to do with religion, this man screwed everyone.
46. Amelek
Yoel ,   Mizpe Ramon, Israel   (08.17.13)
These "rabbies" should watch their rabid tongues. Their followers could turn to murder, like the murderer Yigal Amir did when Bibi Netanyahu stood in front of a Nazi cartoon of Yitchak Rabin, without any protest.
47. Ora When Korah said...
Robert ,   Antwerp Belgium   (08.17.13)
that all the Jewish people was holy after receiving the Thora and that Moshe rabeinou should not be the only one leading, Moshe Rabeinou had Korah and all the contestants bring an offering of incense so that God could chose who was to lead. The punishment was that they were swallowed by the earth. My point is that if even Moshe Rabeinou had to show the Jewish people he was chosen to lead them, it means that Guedolei hador or a spokesman maybe should also say something when people put words in their mouth they haven't said
48. about Rabbi Shteinman ...
Yossi ,   London,UK   (08.18.13)
As a secular jew who has seen a few videos of Rabbi Shteinman, I kindly ask you people to not rush into conclussion as this Amazing,humble Rabbi wouldn't say these things. First,we all know we have to be very careful about what we believe in the media and give the man a credit ! If the Rabbi did say this,I condemn it in the strongest way and would love to get clarifications ! All Israel are brothers so I learned ...
49. Informers and slanderers
Joseph ,   London UK   (08.18.13)
According to the authorised version of the Singer's Siddur [Lord Jakobovits edition] the minim are 'informers' and 'slanderers' and we ask G-d to 'humble the dominion of arrogance'. I don't see how it applies to the Israeli govt and I suspect that Rabbi Steinman, a recognised Gaon and Gadol , did not say quite what is attributed to him.
50. Reply to 38. Minim
Danny ,   London England   (08.18.13)
According to Talmud Bavli 28b the prayer was composed at Yavneh at the request of Rabban Gamliel. The timing fits the traditional view that the 'heretics' are those Jews who turned against Judaism and sided with the Romans. The Haredim include a very wide range of traditional Jews from Hirschians, to Lithuanians, to Chabad, various other Hasidic groups, and several groups of Sephardi Haredim. We don't all look alike!
51. 47 Robert,you have a good point..
ORA ,   JERUSALEM   (08.18.13)
and i wish you to live in good health until your 120.So you could see by yourself that at 100 you depend on what people around you tell you,and you can't deny things you didn't hear about.
52. 50 Minim. Prayer yes. Term pre-dated by DSS.
Historian ,   Israel   (08.18.13)
Widen your studies.
53. 33 So one must deny an accusation
Eliyahu Konn ,   Rehovot   (08.18.13)
Otherwise it is true? That's pretty stupid.
54. 53 Eliyahu ,hate harms the brain.
ORA ,   JERUSALEM   (08.18.13)
55. 51 Ora. I don't think Rav Schteinman...
robert ,   antwerp belgium   (08.18.13)
should personally deny it. It's enough that somebody close does it for his sake. Imagine, God forbid, that a haredi acts because he believes that Lapid is Amalek after hearing the false news... It's better to prevent than cure
56. 54 not as much as smearing and slander
anon ,   Israel   (08.18.13)
no hate evident in 53s post stop making things up and smearing people u display the typical haredi argument -- schoolyard slander -- of yosef shteinman etc
57. Robert 55
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (08.18.13)
A spokesperson for this rav is also fine , but some here can't accept this either . They are blinded by their naivity and general ignorance , and can only correct when someone writes an error [ a D instead of a T ]
58. Elyahu , 53 . A serious accusation must be denied
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (08.18.13)
Such a serious accusation MUST be denied if untrue . It's slander when untrue ! Let me tell you , and to a "blinded" person , that i HOPE that he didn't say it . To another person , IF he was old enough to say it , he isn't to old to deny it either.
59. 56 Free Cool aid.
ORA ,   JERUSALEM   (08.18.13)
I am defending the Rav who was slandered and i am the slanderer?
60. If it were an isolated incident, would be different, but
anon ,   Israel   (08.18.13)
it's not It's exactly what we've come to expect, typical of routine Haredi malicious evil slander - the rule, not an exception to doubt
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