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Israel and Jewish moral narcissists
Lawrence J. Epstein
Published: 05.04.14, 08:45
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31. respect
jadzia ,   uk   (04.05.14)
We also respect Palestinians who support justice and human dignity including those for and of Israelis
32. They Are Called...........
Dan ,   USA   (04.05.14)
far left American Jews, who in order to show their cred to other far left Democrats will preach that Israel is the bain of all middle east problems. This puts them in the company of university academics, their students, hollywood types and so many others who detest Jews and of course Israel. They are at home in this company.
33. why sugar coat their title?
JL   (04.05.14)
they are not narcisists..they are traitors..
34. Frank-el @21: Please, I want an answer
Steve   (04.05.14)
Maybe you watched President Obama's 20 year spiritual mentor and pastor tell the Trinity United Church of Christ congregation (perhaps Barack and Michelle Obama were in attendance Sunday) that the suicide / martyrdom atrocities in New York and Washington that slaughtered some 3,000 innocent Americans were justified as "the chickens (who) came home to roost." Do you consider these jihad-martyrdom attacks moral, or as you put it "morality?" Because that (the 9/11/2001 terror atrocities) is what Israel experiences weekly, monthly; year after year.
35. All those mentioned in the article are = Goldstone
Beary White ,   Norway   (04.05.14)
And these kind of people never stops amazing me, spreading shit and negativity of the jewish homeland, Israel. Goldstone is a classic example of that guided kind of missile, not actually understanding which kind of burdens he puts on the shoulders of Israel, and which kind of gifts he is giving to the enemy of Israel. Norwegian state TV uses whatever needed air-time to report every outspoken criticism from a jew to put negativity on Israel. At least those jewish mouth-blubbers must have some kind of dysfunctions in their brains, which makes them not to understand their own actions, or ability to understand what harm they do. In addition to being self-hating, we obviously also must accept this could be a personal way of getting in the limelight in the need of acceptance, just like Goldstone, who acted like an idiot on his elder days of life, by being so brain dead willingly to be used of anti-Israel groups, and forever make him person-non-gratain Israel.
36. #1 Where you been hiding?
Benji ,   US   (04.05.14)
We've coexisted for centuries with cultures all over the world.
37. !! It's Today's Left Universally
Ovadiah ben Avraham ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (04.05.14)
This isn't a "Jewish Phenomena". It's the postmodern Left generally. Read "Tenured Radicals" for a description of what happened since the 60s.
38. #9 stop lying!
(04.05.14)
1. 9 million Arabs were not displaced - that's a lie! 2. Palestinians were created several decades ago - there are no "native" Palestinians. 3. Arabs started a war to eliminate Israel about once a decade. If that results in them being bombed - well, duh.. 4. The "world" is not threatened with anything. If someone tries to eliminate Israel - that someone has a chance of being eliminated. 5. 6 million Jews were murdered, and that's one hell of a reason to have a state at any price. Especially if that price is a lie like yours. USA will do exactly the same with nuclear responses. And native Americans - real natives - were displaced and murdered to create the USA. Why should USA stand?
39. The Jews have Many Enemies but the InnocentsProtect
Zechariah   (04.06.14)
The Jews have Many Enemies and have to be Rocklike in Power .Nevertheless there are Innocent Palestinians Moderate Humanitarian Proud People's who Want Quiet and Reconciliation .Jewish People who work to protect these People's are not Enemies of Israel .Some are Like the Late Pursuer of Peace Rabbi Froman of Tekoa.
40. They don't have real empathy for Arabs
Todd   (04.06.14)
None of the moral narcissists I have met sincerely care about the Palestinians they support so strongly against Israel. How do I know this? Because when 400,000 Palestinians were expelled from Kuwait in 1991, they remained silent. When 50,000 Palestinians were expelled from Libya in 1995, they were silent. When Christian Arabs in Lebanon massacre Palestinans, they blame Israel. When Palestinian descendants of refugees are kept in camps for 60 years throughout the Arab world, they remain silent. Their anti-Israel hostility is bona fide. But they do not empathize with the arabs. They are hypocrites.
41. #9, Jekyll or Hyde??
Beary White ,   Norway   (04.06.14)
You are turning the situation upside down.!! Let me hear your voice say; Islamic terrorism!! Israel is the only state which has been given its valid right as a state three time: Balford declaration League of Nations United Nations In my eyes, Israel is then the most rightful civilized country in that area, and continously under attack by islamic terror, from neighboring ISLAMIC enemies. For the reference, islam is making hell in most every part of Africa today...
42. #22 No
Sarah B ,   Tel Aviv/London   (04.05.14)
Not in the context of the formation of modern Israel. Which is not the biblical Israel of the prophecies
43. Defending Richard Gladstone
Mark Jeffery Koch ,   Cherry Hill, NJ USA   (04.05.14)
Richard Gladstone, a longtime active member of the South African Jewish community did not deserve the hatred and venom that spewed forth from this site and many other Israeli media sites. He never, ever questioned Israel's right to defend itself but instead questioned the disproportionality of Israel's response. The IDF admitted that of the 1,500 Palestinians killed almost 500 were innocent men, women, and children. In addition, thousands of homes in Gaza were destroyed. This would have been equivalent to the Palestinians killed 5,000 Israelis and destroying 3,000 homes in revenge for the murders of 34 Palestinians by Baruch Goldstein. Most American Jews strongly support Israel's right to defend itself but have every right to question the proportionality of Israel's response. Israeli's expect Palestinians to blame the terrorists sending the rockets into Israel for the deaths of 500 innocent Palestinian men, women, and children. This is absurd. What is patently obvious from this publication and all other Israeli online media sites is that Israeli's have zero regard for the lives of Palestinian men, women, and children and Israeli's believe that all Palestinians are terrorists. When you believe this then why question why the Palestinians hate Israelis so much? You demonize every one of them and they do the same to you and when the Secretary of State from America tries to put forth a peace plan that will enable you to keep 90% of the settlements (which the entire world believes are illegal) you call him an anti-semite. It's time that Israel stop pretending it's David and that its enemies are Goliath. The Palestinians have no army, no planes, no tanks, no airforce, no high tech and depend on Israel for their water and their cellular phone service. Their trade is limited and their attempts to build an economy are all being squashed every day by Israel but yet Israel still tries and plays the role of victim but no one in the world is buying it any longer.
44. #1 Jarda
Beary White ,   Norway   (04.06.14)
Actually, the people of the jewish faith has no problem of being integrated, live in, or getting born in any other states. The main problem in the world , Jarda, is the islamic cult and their fictional goddess. If your knowledge of history doesn't tell you that, I would gladly fill you up with the historical truth. If you like we can start with muhammed...the founder of the islamic-cult as it is today, esulting in the murder of hundred of thousands humans.
45. Considrable Truth
Ron ,   oc us   (04.06.14)
The subject is awkward to write about. But, there is considerable truth here. I read several posts before writing this. The author says that there is room for criticism but some are so strident and question Israel's legitimacy and paint Israel with the same brush as the PLO, Hamas and Hezbollah that these people need to some soul searching: Yes they do. Note: Einstein may not have liked Begin those years ago be he was an ardent advocate for Jewish Israel-A Zionist. Finkelstien, Falk, the founder of the ISM who married an Arab and several others are Useful Idiots.
46. Some seek social approval
Dan   (04.06.14)
Some left-wing narcissists wish to signal to their comrades that while they may be Jewish they should not be mistaken for and penalised as supporters of Israel. That is, they are seeking social acceptance or advancement instead of caring about truth or principle. Even some journalists do this for the sake of their otherwise untenable careers.
47. benassi from mn: how about the native americans?
dante   (04.06.14)
your presence in mn is too high a price to pay. before you dare to open your pie hole against Israel, why don't you go back where you came from? like the moron jimmy carter, full of advice for Israel, while he and his family sit, fat, dumb and happy on Indian land. it seems that carter is so committed to "justice" every place but where he lives. btw: all his lands, all his wealth belongs to the Creek. think any of the Creek will receive that land or that wealth? fat chance. too effing busy hounding the Jews. that's his vocation.
48. #34...here's your answer
Frank-el ,   Seattle USA   (04.06.14)
Where in my post did I endorse terrorism? Your conflation of my comments against Epstein's bogus and weak treatise and 9/11 is illogical. No different than saying you're anti-Christian by your not-so-subtle slight against the Obamas and the pastor. I grow weary of comments like yours and others that seem to exempt Israeli behaviour while blaming others, no matter how indirectly. I condemn all acts of terrorism, and the USA , Israel and Palestine aren't immune to my criticisms. Next time, please don't ask silly questions that are rooted in hatred...you sound like one of the hypocritical congressmen trying to score points at a hearing by blowing hot air and disconnected facts.
49. And then there are the morally bankrupt
Jon ,   Baltimore, US   (04.06.14)
They no longer feel restrained by evaluating their actions to determine if they unfairly hurt or humiliate others. (Very easy to do when you are an occupying power) They feel the ends justify any means and the only people they need to be considerate of are people who pray to the same God they do. They ignore the entire world and excuse this by claiming that the world would criticize them no matter what they did so they might as well turn a deaf ear to the world and do whatever they want.
50. #43 defending the indefensible
(04.06.14)
It is quite simple, and the fact that you resort to presenting falsehoods as facts says something about you. Hamas proudly admits and announces that their purpose is complete and utter genocide of each and every Jew. To further their goal, Hamas launched rockets at Jewish civilian populations. Israel had no choice but launched a defensive action to stop the attacks, defensive actions that by any objective measure were too weak because of Israel's concern to reduce the number of Arab casualties. Despite these facts, Goldstone accepted money to "prove" that Israel's defensive actions were war crimes, simultaneously white washing Hamas' war crimes. So that he could reach the conclusions for which he was paid, Goldstone presented false "evidence" he received from anti-Israel organizations as proof of Israeli misdeeds.
51. Epstein is hijacking a western malaise for political purpose
Shachar ,   Eilat   (04.06.14)
The heavy moral factor being worked into western gov'ts decision making process has caused paralysis in the face of evil. In any conflict the overiding consideration is "how we will be percieved" and not "how can we resolve the conflict". Interestingly while this malaise has caused many Jews to distant themselves from the Israeli position, it has also meant total inaction from the west leaving the right-wing gov'ts to do as they please.
52. #43 master propagandist
(04.06.14)
One of the skills of a master propagandist is to "tweak" the truth and take facts out of context to "prove" a point. Mark Jeffrey Koch proves himself up to the challenge. What is the connection of Baruch Goldstone? None, but Koch slips it in, in a pathetic attempt to put the Jew on the defensive. The facts are simple: the genocidal Hamas regime launched rockets on Israeli civilian population. Israel has the obligation and legal right to defend herself by force of arms, and did so. Even if we take Koch's numbers as true, a 2 combatant to 1 civilian death rate is miraculously low and just proves how much care the IDF took not to cause civilian damages. UK and US forces in similar situations kill 2 civilians for every combatant. Interestingly, in their hurry to go Jew-baiting, both Koch and Goldstone ignored a very important fact in International Law: the blame for the civilian deaths is 100% the responsibility of Hamas: Hamas committed a war crime by not wearing uniforms and by attacking the IDF from civilian concentrations.
53. #9: What fantasy world do you live in?
YItzhak ,   Israel   (04.06.14)
There were, first off, 1.2 million Palestinian Arabs in 1948, many of whom were in fact immigrants from other parts of the Arab world. Refugee status is not and should not be passed down from generation to generation, but due to the UNRWA this has been the case only for Palestinians. This only perpetuates the conflict. Please cite when Israel has bombed the "entire" Arab world? All 22 Arab states? Seriously? We strike when we are attacked, and it was the Arab world that invaded us with six armies in 1948 threatening our destruction. A Jewish state will indeed stand, despite decades of Arab attempts to wipe us off the map. The more they try, the more it will hurt them.
54. #17: You completely missed the point
Yitzhak ,   Israel   (04.06.14)
You conldued: "Criticizing this governnent should be the patriotic duty of any Jew to whom Israel is dear." The author was talking about Jews for whom Israel is not dear at all.
55. Goldstone repudiated his own report
Yitzhak ,   Israel   (04.06.14)
or haven't you heard?
56. "moral narcissism" is the emblem of liberalism !
Moshe ,   Usa   (04.06.14)
57. #1: Anti-Semitism is a Gentile disease from which Jews die
Yitzhak ,   Israel   (04.06.14)
Jarda, Jews have lived in co-existence many times throughout history. But, anti-Semitism is a problem of non-Jewish psychology and bigotry. Sometimes that bigotry has taken over an entire society allowing intolerant people to gain power. Such was the case in Germany in 1933-45. What you are doing is blaming the victim for being a victim. The victimizers let themselves off the moral hook in this way. In such a moral universe, Africans are responsible for thier enslavement, women are responsible for rape etc. Blaming Jews for their own persecution and genocide is blaming the victim. That is what you are doing.
58. Zionism began in the 1880s
YItzhak ,   Israel   (04.06.14)
Just what history books have you been reading? The first Zionists to settle here came in 1881, under the name of Hovevei Tziyyon. Herzl founded the Zionist movement in 1897, but Zionist thinkers were writing as early as 1860's.
59. #14: Is that why you indiscriminately kill Jews?
Yitzhak ,   Israel   (04.06.14)
There is no other way to describe your suicide bombers who go into cafes, pizza parlors, markets. Do they take a poll of their victims before pushing the explode button? How many Jewish children has your nationalist cause murdered? Did you first check to see if they fit your "kind of Jew"? Let's face it, when Hamas and other Palestinian terror groups quote the Protocols of the Elders of Zion and justify mass murder of Jews, then all you are doing is blowing hot air.
60. arendt and Einstein
Jack ,   Jerusalem Israel   (04.06.14)
Einstein was rather naive about politics, although a sincere Zionist. In his personal life he was not a perfect guy. Like most of us. Hannah Arendt is a much more dubious a personality. She studied under the Nazi philosopher Heidegger and was even his lover. Naturally, she concealed this background when she wrote Eichmann in Jerusalem. Likewise, she tried to rehabilitate the Nazi Heidegger after the war, also concealing her relationship with him.
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