Opinion  Nahum Barnea
Israel occupied by the settlement lobby
Nahum Barnea
Published: 29.04.14, 13:27
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31. Jobs and income for the territories
Alexander Scheiner ,   Israel   (04.29.14)
A lot of income for Palestinian-Arabs. They have the skill Israelis do not have.
32. leftests leave israel
dave ,   safet israel   (04.29.14)
33. Now
(04.30.14)
Where's Abbas putting his released murder prisoners? That's why we know he's never seeking peace just to hinder Israel building for its citizens because he knew the land doesn't belong to Palestinians.
34. To spyguy #16, don't count your chickens...
Jake   (04.29.14)
In 1947-48, the Arabs were militarily superior to the Jews, yet the invading armies of 5 Arab countries and the palestinian Arab militias were roundly defeated by the Jews. If the Arabs and palestinians are hoping to repeat history and wage another war of annihilation against Israel, they may discover history repeating itself at their own expense.
35. "world citizen" #17, reading the Bible selectively
Jake   (04.29.14)
It's easy for you to threaten, but don't forget how it ends. When the s**t does hit the fan, it'll be the enemies of Israel that will be laid low.
36. #30, What "settlers"?
Jake   (04.29.14)
The settlement blocs have the support of the majority of the Israelis. Everyone understands that these will be incorporated in Israel if there is an agreement. Barnea is using the small outlying settlements as a red herring to promote a far left agenda which he knows will not fly in any elections. No one but a loud, radical minority agrees that Israel should return to the pre-1967 borders, or what Abba Eban termed the "Auschwitz borders".
37. Nahum Barnea admitted exactly the opposite is true
Jake   (04.30.14)
in another article. He has admitted that the main settlement blocs have a broad Israeli consensus And I quote: "For 90 percent of Israelis, the [East] Jerusalem neighborhood of Ramat Shlomo is no different than Tel Aviv. For the rest of the world, it is no different than Ramallah."
38. Arab Settlements are illegal
Tomer ,   Israel   (04.29.14)
Did the Arabs ever get permission from the Indigenous Jews to build up their colonies in the 7th Century? The answer is NO. They did NOT. They just barged in and colonised it. That's why the returning Jews have the right to it.
39. right
rm ,   NL Amsterdam   (04.30.14)
now occupation isn't about palestinians I understand? It's about Israel.....you really want to take everything from the other side don't you?
40. # 4 You are right
Stan ,   Israel   (04.30.14)
It is with great regret that I have to agree with you 100%
41. ADDING INSULT TO INJURY !
FO ,   Belgium   (04.30.14)
In a previous article (04.20.14) you wrote, Mr. Barnea, about: "Palestinian threat to dissolve PA could have serious repercussions". I wrote a comment about it, but you didn't dare to reply. And in the last sentence of your actual article, you add insult to injury, by writing in the most slanderous and injurious way that "Livni and Lapid are not very different from Neatnyahu. Like him they are collaborators in the service of the occupation army". As an indoctrinated heir of the Left majority in the Zionist movement that torpedoed the creation of a Jewish State, as decided by the League of Nations in 1922, a decision that became international law, and gave the Jews the irrevocable right to settle between the Sea and the Jordan River, including the Golan Heights, a right reaffirmed by Article 80 of the UN Charter, you Mr. Barnea, you commit a subsequent offense by denying these rights. Disowning a Jewish state between the Sea and the River, pretending that the Jewish state never was part of the Zionist program, and that Herzl's "Jewish State" was just a pamphlet, opened the way for the Shoah (read the author's introduction of the "History of Zionism" published in 1917 by Nahum Sokolow, who became the Chairman of the World Zionist Organization from 1931 till 1936. A reminder: Hitler came to power in 1933) With an existing Jewish state, being part of the Allied Forces, Hitler would never have dared to apply the Final Solution! And you, Mr. Barnea, just one day after the Holocaust commemoration, still loyal to your ancient Leftist doctrine, you deny Jewish-Israel rights, and qualify Netanyahu, Livni and Lapid as COLLABORATORS in a military occupation.
42. occupied?
michel ,   Ashkelon   (04.30.14)
he seems to regret that Israel is occupied by the jews
43. Seems most talkbackers didn't read the article
Shachar ,   Eilat   (04.30.14)
It is right wing gov'ts that have clung to the label "occupation", have failed to annex "their" land or do anything whatsoever to carry out their ideology. Why? Because they fear the consequences....but those consequences are on there way here anyway
44. #34 - It isn't 1948 any more
spyguy ,   seattle usa   (04.30.14)
You might want to consider that the Arabs in Iraq just DEFEATED the US military which is vastly superior to the IDF. And the Muslims in Afghanistan have once again defeated a "western" military - In the past they have defeated many military much more powerful that Israel. As Sun Tzu has pointed out, your blind faith in the IDF is a sure way to lose.
45. Of course negotiating with the Fatah/Hamas/Islamic Jihad
A ,   Belgium   (04.30.14)
triumverate of evil is a much better solutiion, right?
46. #44
Eaglebeak ,   Left Coast, USA   (04.30.14)
You might want to consider that if the U.S. military were superior we would have won Viet Nam etc. Unfortunately since the end of WW2 politicians have gotten involved and messed things up. We now have a community organizer for a commander in chief that is inept and worthless. This may not be 1948 but any faith put in the God of Israel is not blind. We ( the U.S.) were a superpower and strong when we had God's blessing. As a nation we have turned away from God and we are headed for a fall. Your blind faith in the might of the U.S. military is a sure way to lose. When we collapse from debt and our money is worthless you will discover we are not as superior as you thought.
47. #44 Spywimp.American defeats have nothing to do with Israel
Chaim ,   Israel   (04.30.14)
American military defeats have nothing to do with Israel. They occurred because, as in Vietnam, America had no real motivation or plan to win. Under Obama, victory is not even a remote option. Israel's wars are all defensive and Israel has the motivation, plan and means to win.
48. The "Surrender Lobby"
Yoelarry ,   New York USA   (04.30.14)
Better the 'Settlement lobby' than the leftist 'suicide lobby' !
49. ------
mary_of_Bethany ,   Singapore   (04.30.14)
(an article that don't deserve any talkback.) PERIOD.
50. #44 Actually, seems the USAF can't do much right anymore
A ,   Belgium   (04.30.14)
There is a big difference in fighting a war to defend your country from annihilation, and fighting a war thousands of miles away to defend the twisted ideologies ("that man tried to kill my daddy") of politicians. There is no comparing the IDF with the USAF...the IDF fights for basic survival of the State of Israel, the USAF likes playing with its technological toys.
51. Shachar #43, dream on
Jake   (05.01.14)
If you, Barnea, and co. are counting on the foreign antisemites doing your bidding by imposing their will on Israel on account of the so-called "occupation", think again? As we've seen in Crimea (and elsewhere), borders are not sacrosanct, and the tepid reaction of the powers-that-be should make it clear to even you that any international campaign against Israel would be nothing but spiteful hypocrisy and pathetic double standards.
52. #44, I put no blind faith in any manmade institution
Jake   (05.01.14)
But I have absolute faith that all of Israel's enemies will ultimately be defeated, and fade away into history like the procession of others before them that sought to destroy the Jews or drive them off their land..
53. #46, 47 & 50 - Since you are so convinced
spyguy ,   seattle usa   (05.01.14)
that the IDF is the greatest military that has ever existed (it isn't), then start your war. Go ahead and waste your wealth and blood, BUT if it turns out I am more correct than you, I promise to not say "I told you so." Basically, you suffer form the deadly mental malady that Sun Tzu warned about - delusional over-confidence. When you are defeated, please have the good manners to accept defeat gracefully.
54. #53 Spywimp. Israel's wars are all defensive.
Chaim ,   Israel   (05.01.14)
Israel has never started a war. Nor do Israelis ever intend to. Israel's wars are all defensive. Israel has only gone to war to stop aggression or when faced with a clear and present danger. Such as a genocidal enemy building nukes. When Israel must fight, nobody does it better. Simple fact.
55. #53
Eaglebeak ,   Left Coast, USA   (05.01.14)
Israel is not going to be defeated. I don't think we are the ones who are over confident here Spyguy, I think you are. You have a right to be wrong though
56. 26
Birdi ,   Israel   (05.01.14)
Great copy & paste, your superb effort is worthless.
57. Articles of Confederation
Fred S ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (05.04.14)
When the US was founded, the Articles of Confederation declared that the President was the one with the most votes, and the Vice-President was the one with the 2nd most votes. This made it impossible to govern, and was replaced by the US Constitution. The Housing Minister in the US is selected by the President, and approved by the Congress. Israel needs a similar system in order to govern. In any case, if a peace treaty was reached, it will override publicity stunts by Minister Ariel. So it wasn't the announcements that were a problem. And we've frozen construction before, and it didn't help. Paying to negotiate, by freezing construction or by freeing prisoners, incentivizes the Arabs to waste even more time. Just by delaying, they get free concessions. Israel should never pay to negotiate. There is every reason to be skeptical that peace treaty will be reached. And there is no particular reason to believe that a peace treaty will bring peace.
58. Dictators?
Fred S ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (05.04.14)
"The pro-settlement political lobby... controls the government, which it extorts financially and neutralizes politically. It has the right to veto every move and every initiative" This radical analysis needs to be backed up with evidence for me to believe it. The Likud has a majority in the Knesset, the rest mainly make noise.
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