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Israel rejects Africans' request to convert to Judaism
Kobi Nachshoni
Published: 11.06.14, 00:19
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1. Correct me if I'm wrong, but ------->
x ,   x   (06.11.14)
Isn't it a tradition to tell a potential new convert to get lost several times (at least two or three times?) And if they persist over time to let them into the fold? I think it has something to do with giving them a taste of persecution and alienation. Something the Jewish people have had to deal with for centuries. To see if the convert can handle it. If so, then many of them failed already!
2. short sighted. why reject? could turn out to be win win for
ralph   (06.11.14)
all except the rabbi's.
3. The bedouin story at the end of the article
Brian   (06.11.14)
The bedouin story at the end of the article is priceless. Like good Jewish humor.
4. Go home to Afrika
Moshe ,   Usa   (06.11.14)
5. As long as the Rabbinate knows
Israeli 2   (06.11.14)
no Kabalah, all their conversions are useless and futile. Conversions are not anymore possible these days. We are in an era where even the rabbis themselves may not be Jewish and they are not aware of it.
6. sadly governments usually accept phoney conversions
zionist forever   (06.11.14)
Better to grant them asylum than allow them to go through a phoney conversion program and then grant them citizenship because not they are Jews. They would be converts who don't have any interest in religion. Phoney conversions is something the Israeli government allows all to often. Conversion must be halachic if they seriously want to be considered converts because then they have shown dedication toward conversion reform or this rubbish is conversion for economic gain not conversion because they want to be Jewish. I would much rather these non Jews requested the right to emigrate to Israel as non Jews although not under the law of return.
7. I am sure their Jewish roots are just as strong as Meretz'
tom ,   tel aviv   (06.11.14)
8. And you no5 are you Jewish?
(06.11.14)
Are you sure?
9. Do we still call them "infiltrators"?
J ,   Tel Aviv   (06.11.14)
Would Israeli's tolerate the same language for their brethren selling hand creams at shopping malls abroad while on tourist visas??? Hypocrites.
10. 1
zionist forever   (06.11.14)
These people are not even pretending to be serious about conversion because they freely admit they will convert to stay so why bother telling them to get lost because they have no desire to convert. Any conversions for people wanting to move to Israel should be based on halachic conversions only. This is about citizenship and thousands of dollars worth of benefits so if somebody is a convert wanting to move to Israel so we must know they legitimately want to convert and they are not looking for a backdoor so they can get Israeli citizenship.
11. It won't Work
Tova ,   Canada   (06.11.14)
Conversion is when a person accepts the GOD of Israel. It does not come by seeking citizenship in Israel. These people are in Israel because of evil of Islam not for the Love Of Israel or GOD. No Rabbi can or has the right to convert people who do not sincerely in their hearts and minds believe in Israel. Not even by marriage can they become citizens of Israel. For those who deny Islam and truly convert to Judaism - they must forsake all their past and transforms themselves mind & soul.
12. it had just dawned on me
holy warrior ,   uk   (06.11.14)
Not only is your state an apartheid state but your religion is also racist.
13.  #3 Coming to Berlin
Alexpr ,   Germany   (06.11.14)
Humor ? I tell you an other story , german tax payers donĀ“t find humorous. thousands of Israelis are coming to Berlin with german or other Eupean Union Passports, apply for free scholarships and all kind of welfare and the "humorous" thing is they get the money. We got between 1991 and 2004 altogether 219.604 jews from the former Soviet Union. what is the difference between your Bedouin , the yeshiva student and Germans their money and alien jews from Israel in Berlin ??? Be good to the stranger in your country, the entire humanity is a result of immigration waves.
14. Bad idea.They'll be hated by Neonazis for being Jewish
Alan ,   SA   (06.11.14)
not for being Black!
15. Actually Brian (#3) Bedouin story is the crux
barbara ,   Haifa Israel   (06.11.14)
of this matter - not conversion, per se - but the financial boost of an allowance and Israeli rights to receive financial help. You'll see, as soon as we let the illegal Africans stay, they will be like leeches.
16. Historical precedent
i ,   jerusalem   (06.11.14)
In the time of Solomon they accepted no converts because it was always considered to be a case of economic opportunism. Relative to the hellhole that is Africa and to these aliens, we are in the time of Solomon.
17. #1 You're partly right
Chaim ,   Israel   (06.11.14)
but to "get lost" is not because of "giving them a taste of persecution" but because of seeing how serious they are in becoming orthodox Jews and accepting ALL 613 commandment of the Torah. We have enough secular Jews who do not adhere to G-d's laws, we don't need goyim in our midst to act likewise.
18. Moshe, #4 - go home to Israel
Mike   (06.11.14)
Get out of the USA. It's a CHRISTIAN nation. Don't like being told that? Too bad....that makes you a hypocrite.
19. #13 self-inflicted prtoblem
jdc   (06.11.14)
As for the German taxpayer funding ill-based requests, especially from people with no connection to Germany, fell free to deny them. Most of the Jews now in Germany are recent transports from the Soviet Union. It was a conscious effort by Germany to re-establish a Jewish community and the German government was willing to pay for it. I understand over 50% of such "new Germans" are over 50 years old, a population considered in "terminal" stage. So, that "problem" is self-inflicted but very temporary. If you do get overwhelmed, it will not be by Jews.
20. Entry into Judaism
Ralph ,   Rishon   (06.12.14)
The "Conversion Authorities " (what a stupid name), make conversion so "mission impossible" that only those who were really interested would stick out the long and arduous course, suffer all the insults and hardships thrown at them until finally reaching the finishing line. All the others would have dropped out on the way, and would have shown their insincerity.
21. What if Ruth was turned away??
David ,   Hartford USA   (06.12.14)
22. @#13 Alexpr
Rod ,   Fargo N.Dakota   (06.12.14)
I have many friends in N.Germany and a few in the Southern part.The only complaint i hear from them is about muslims causing a burden on social welfareThey see this and they complain about their taxes going to muslim bums
23. #13Maybe now Germany will resume receiving Nobel Prizes
Alan ,   SA   (06.13.14)
After Nazi Germany wiped out the Jews, their haul of Nobel Prizes dropped. Also I think German Cultural life will benefit as it benefitted before the War. Jews will fertiilise Germany in every intellectual way, not turn it into a Third World hell hole I am only sorry those Jews of whom you complain did not chose to go to Israel where their and their descendents talents would be of greater use
24. Jewz can be most bigoted people on the planet except for KKK
Jewishness ,   ATLANTA, USA   (06.13.14)
It's the overt hypocracy of these rabbis (the teacher's? Hah!) who should be the shining examples of empathy, open heartedness, welcome and support. What if they were white wannabe Jews instead of black wannabe Jews? Shame on these monsters who profess a closeness to God yet deny others the same blessings by an act at the hands of an egocentric tyrannical rabbinacle politician.
25. It's called religious JEWISH tyranny, plain and simple
Jew 6Pack ,   America is beautiful   (06.14.14)
just more of the same elite Jewish persons showing it's might instead of it's sympathy towards those darker than thou! Simple rascism and bigotry. Yet another reason to SEPARATE church and state. This is why there is such a rise in world wide Jew hate...and it seems to be well earned by these ultra Jewz who look down and spit on the rest of us.
26. #4 Moshe; Go Back Home To Europe, Japheth.
Levin ,   Chur, Switzerland   (06.14.14)
27. 21 David, Hartford, USA: Ruth was MARRIED to a Hebrew and
Rivkah   (06.14.14)
showed her loyalty to her mother in law by suffering poverty with her rather than to stay in Moab. Then Ruth the WIDOW remarried to another Hebrew. She had been in the Hebrew lifestyle for many years at that point and had a Hebrew mother in law to guide her, too. But Boaz risked being thrown out of the Temple for marrying her. So there were connections to the faith of the fathers that Ruth had that the Eritreans lack. Ruth's sister in law in Moab (Orpah) married very well in the worldly since because she was the mother of Goliath and his brothers while Ruth was the great grandmother of King David according to Evangelist Perry Stone. Marrying well in the worldly sense which for Orpah was to a fallen angel since her sons were giants (nephillim, part human beings) led her to eternal death spiritually while Ruth's soul was saved eternally.
28. 16 Fiction is not history - even when it's rabbinic
World citizen ,   World   (06.15.14)
29. don Quixote
jochair ,   kfar saba Israel   (06.19.14)
Levi's is a quijotesc argument, to see dangerous giants where there are only windmills.
30. #27 And when these Africans are given a legitimate chance
Israel   (07.06.14)
they show their loyalty to Am Israel by taking care of Holocaust survivors in nursing homes for minimum wage, while more and more native Israels go on to do other things.
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