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Rabbis condemn Abu Khdeir killing
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Published: 08.07.14, 10:51
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1. where are the three-finder greetings from the pals?
Marcelo ,   Belrin / TLV   (07.08.14)
3 x 1027 - 1...
2. How long can Haredim suppress identity of suspects / rabbis?
Jewish Mirror ,   Israel   (07.08.14)
See who rules gov't & media in Israel!
3. Punishment
DavidG ,   Jerusalem   (07.08.14)
One can only pray that these young men will be given life sentences with noe chance of parole.
4. Who is to blame, who must reform?
Michael ,   California, USA   (07.08.14)
These murderers are cowards and people without moral values. They learned nothing from the Torah. They have no principles worth upholding. But, let's remember, they weren't born this way. These are young people who lost their paths in life under the guidance of leaders and teachers (including their parents.) Blame must be shared by those who brainwashed them throughout their short lives. There are thousands like them, tens of thousands among the ultra orthodox. Blame their community leaders and teachers, not just the brainwashed young people.
5. Men in Black
Hammer   (07.08.14)
Did anybody had doubts that the monsters that burned a kid alive were ultra-Orthodox men? Who else would restore the Inquisition customs in modern Israel? What really to expect from fast degrading hateful fanatical homofobic community? Now their Ayatollas "condemn", how touching.
6. I dont get it.
Bandoo ,   Il   (07.08.14)
When Aloni's relatives murdered the cabbie just for the fun of it, where was all the soul searching from the chillonim? Like lets close down his school destroy his house etc etc...Everything went real quiet...
7. These Haredi kids did not learn Torah correctly
meir elazar   (07.08.14)
Avraham cherished life and pleaded and bargained with G-d from 50 righteous down to 10 at Sodom and Gemarah. The Talmud says "kesheba meshehu lehorgech, tashkim lehorgo" - When someone comes to kill you, you must rise earlier and him him. This 16 year old boy did not threaten anyone. The Torah condemns Amaleq for attacking the weakest from the rear and the Torah's message is clear. If you wish to serve your cause and country join the army as it is written in the Torah "Kol echad mi-Esrim vaMala" - Everyone from 20 years and above is commanded by the Torah to serve in the army. The Torah is quite clear. But if you wish to be a vigilante then get your target right and go kidnap and murder a Hamas kid wearing the Hamas uniform in Gaza if you have the guts to do so. Don't be a coward and kidnap an innocent boy just because he is an Arab.
8. Lack of Education
Eric ,   New York, USA   (07.08.14)
This should be shocking, but it is not. Charedim are limiting the education of their children and preventing their children's potential development into full, civilized human beings. Right now, all many Charedim know is to get between the study hall and home while their wives prepare food, raise the children for another generation of even less education people. Earning a living and sharing the world with people who are not like them becomes a foreign concept full of strange thinking. Torah learning needs to be supplemented by secular learning so that minds can balance emotions in a healthy way.
9. Abu Khdeir also believed in Torah
observer ,   Egypt   (07.08.14)
10. Rabbis condemn
SF ,   Yerushalayim   (07.08.14)
First, it was not only this Rabbi Lau who condemned the murders but the full spectrum of the Orthodox rabbinical community. It would be appropriate to mention others here. Second, until the identities of these young men are released you have absolutely no right to hypothesize and point fingers at which group they belong to. Third, we are all broken over this crime, which is universally viewed as a crime. Please do not yourselves fall to the level of the Arab press with all sorts of hate mongering against the Hareidi community because these errant souls committed such a grave misdead, killing a young man in such a brutal manner. The loss of our 3 young men, and the tremendous strength and grace of their families brought Israel together. We don't need Ynet and Haaretz and others to tear us apart with this hate mongering.
11. No sugar coating. The Talmund teaches
Ovidia Yosef   (07.08.14)
The goyim is nonhuman, only Jews are man. It is permissible to kill the got.
12. @Ben Mizrachi
Rod ,   Fargo N.Dakota   (07.08.14)
You know who i am pipsqueak we belonged to a forum how is that other pipsqueak Steven? now shut up.
13. Not all of them ,..
split ,   US   (07.08.14)
Some like the Zionist Orthodox youth movement the World Bnei Akiva head Rabbi Noam Perel called for mass murder ,...
14. Haredi Rabbis
Joe ,   Israel   (07.08.14)
Except for Dov Lipman, none of the other rabbis mentioned in the article consider themselves Haredi. Who are these Haredi rabbis who condemn the murder of an Arab boy?
15. What hypocrits
Nancy   (07.08.14)
they regulary incite violence on a daily basis and now they are surprised when some brain washed zombie carrys out such a barbaric act. Those that incite violence towards Israels minorities should be behind bars where they belong
16. calm down!
madrie 101 ,   spain   (07.08.14)
calm down and be silent and follow the Father in all circumstances. All these own words and opinions about the killed ones are worth a little. tell anyone to calm down!
17. Hey Adam from Facebook. It's another Dreyfus case
C.K.   (07.08.14)
If you or anyone else believes the lies that these Jews murdered him, I have a bridge to sell you. Beating up someone to own up does not attest to their guilt. The only evidence the police have is that these boys happened to have been in that area - by mistake. Could someone be condemned after the GSS and/or the police beat them up well and made them own up? People have to be real dumb to believe this new Dreyfus case.
18. elazar hasn't learned Torah corectly.
skzion ,   USA   (07.08.14)
But then, "Rabbi" Lau hasn't, either. The issue, ironic given Lau's affiliation with the Rambam Synogogue, is discussed by the Rambam, Mishne Torah, Laws of Kings (sections 4 & 5, I believe). In brief, the actions of the Bnei Amalek create a situation of milchemet mitzvah (Jewish defensive war). In this situation, all of the interloper "nation" must be slaughtered. You don't like this? Then start wearing crosses (not that the Christians are nearly as pacifist as the Jews).
19. And maybe Paul wasn't killed in 1966.
JMK ,   NYC   (07.09.14)
Paul was killed in 1966 and this is all a propaganda war, Khollywood vs Pallywood.
20. skzion usa- No, did not create milchemet mitzvah
Gaon Harishon ,   Israel   (07.09.14)
unlike Rambam, you don't perceive the real world beyond the walls of your yeshiva
21. Israel wants to battle Hamas. It is war.
JMK ,   NYC   (07.09.14)
The people on both sides need to be manipulated and guided to hate and fight, in the end the Israelis will win and the Arabs will lose. Be proactive because Nice is just a city in France.
22. Rav Ovadia legacy
Hammer   (07.09.14)
What a humanist he was. What a lovely successors he produced.
23. Blaming the haredim is stupid
Mordechai   (07.09.14)
The haredim are to blame for many things in this country but this murder is not one of them. We don't know the accused have done the crime. Remember the Shabak still refuses to allow them a lawyer. The only evidence appears to be coerced confessions from individuals known to be mentally ill. Their confessions could easily be fantasies. But if they did do it they don't represent mainstream haredi culture. First the left blamed the dati leumi and the settlers,, then we got more facts so now the left blames the haredim. The haredim are jerks by they don't burn people alive. In some mentally ill individual did this its the fault of the individual or if you want the mental health system. But stop blaming entire sectors when everyone condemns it
24. Part of the problem
Danny ,   London England   (07.09.14)
Part of the problem is that while Arabs make heroes of those who murder Jews, we Jews are closer to excommunicating any Jew who would imagine abducting a random Arab child and murdering him.
25. This is the danger of Zealotry.
A Jerusalemite ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (07.09.14)
26. Another half-educated big mouth Yankee
Analytics28 ,   Germany   (07.09.14)
Yo Sk-man, didn´t the same Rambam tell us we have to first offer peace to even Bnei Amalek and if there isn´t a Major war to ask EVERY Amalekite to mend his way first and become a righteous Gentile - thus ridding himself of Amalekite Status? And since Sancherib annihilated Amalek (and therefor the revenge was Gods) that Point is moot in any case. You are appearantly the typical Yankee big-mouth who would have nuked Grenada because of the rising Prices of Bananas. As for me being in Germany, why are YOU in the US being such a cocky Zionist? Aye, I don´t like what you say. You know why? Because it is half-truth and therefor a lie.
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