Opinion  Guy Bechor
Hamas teaching naïve dreamers a Middle Eastern lesson
Guy Bechor
Published: 19.07.14, 00:14
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1. Believe me, the fairy-tail will prevail
(07.19.14)
2. I like this post, you are right indeed!
Viera ,   Golubeva   (07.19.14)
I just dont get how out of nowhere "Israel" came to be in the middle of the Arab world where everyone's language is Arabic except "Israelis" language is hebrew? can someone explain this?
3. Israeli suffering all stems from Israeli retreats.
Chaim ,   Israel   (07.19.14)
Bechor writes the obvious truth. It was crazy for Israel to cede any of our land in the first place. Virtually all Israeli suffering stems from Israeli retreats. Israel's policy should be to permanently retake our abandoned lands.
4. How to put Guy's fine analysis into action.
The Red Fox ,   Brisbane, Australia   (07.19.14)
Hamas doesn't care about lives. But it does care about LAND. For every future rocket fired towards Israel, an area of land should be confiscated from the Gaza Strip as punitive damages . Start with, say, one dunam (1000 sq.m.) for the first rocket and then keep doubling it for every subsequent rocket. They would soon see their "precious" enclave being diminished quick-smart. It would mean moving the border fence inwards accordingly. The area diminished would be Israel's gain. The above would be the ultimate Land-for-Peace scenario. -
5. Peaceful coexistence between different people
Alan ,   Canada   (07.19.14)
Hamas is only one part of the problem preventing lasting peace in the Middle-East. The more general obstacle is related to the grasp of Islam on the minds of the majority of Muslims, a grasp that is agravated by the politicians using religion as a tool to preserve their despotic powers & material priviledges. This situation in Muslim countries is incompatible with democracies, externally & even internally as illustrated by the second class status of of half of the Muslim people, namely the women. As long as there is no moderate secular class of sufficient size & of enough strength to resist the violence of the radicals in their societies, there is no hope for lasting peace & no sense for threatened democracies to offer land or other concessions in return for fake "hudnas".
6. State of Israel
Sandy ,   New York usa   (07.19.14)
When the Catholics give up the Vatican and the Muslems give up Mecca, then we can talk about Israel giving up any more land.
7. Israeli far-leftists won't take no for an answer.
Sam ,   Canada   (07.19.14)
Even leftist leader Herzog insisted he would go to Abbas in Ramallah and demand peace. It's Israel giving credibility to Palestinians as peace makers. That's a farce but the West often buys into it because it naively believes that Israel and Palestinians just have to work things out. That leads to Palestinians getting free concessions like prisoners or a freeze.
8. yes, and more
David   (07.19.14)
This is a very perceptive analysis The observation about the fact that the two-state "solution" does not in fact lead to a divorce between Israel and the Arabs of Israel is also important to emphasize-- in fact I think the integration of the society is easier when we do not promote separatism. The only part that is missing-- and all too often neglected these days-- is the fact that a separation is not only practically difficult and fraught with all sorts of dangers, but also immoral, for precisely the reasons that many misinformed people think it is moral. Because Judea and Samaria is part of the native heritage of the Jewish people, who are the indigenous people of that area, and who cannot realize their national ambitions anywhere else but in the small land of Israel, surrounded by a sea of water on one side and a sea of 22+ Arab nations on the other. These latter facts were once more widely known and more often repeated, and not coincidentally people once possessed a better understanding of the national needs and rights of the Jewish people. Now the only people who speak of rights are the Arabs and their supporters, and the most commonly seen maps are magnifications of tiny Gaza without any of the accompanying geography-Just as the geographic reality is all too often neglected and unseen by these selective depictions of space, so is the true historic reality by selective depictions of time (everything before 1967 is erased). Those of us who know the truth must persistently educate those who do not, and help people understand that truth, and not only practicality, is on our side.
9. It's not like the supporters of this fallacy were(are) demen
tom ,   tel aviv   (07.19.14)
ted: they know all too well, what "two states" call to arms means. End of Israel as a Jewish, sovereign State. A tiny, lonely place endlessly under barrage of Islamofascist demands supported by their European & Obamaistic fellow travellers. Have we learned anything...why do I doubt it?!
10. Bechor is an optimist
(07.19.14)
There are no surprises. From the day Rabin, Beilin and Peres announced they were negotiating with Arafat Zionists warned the attacks would happen but the Left was unperturbed. No matter what happens, the Leftists will demand Israel surrender her land to PLO Who expected Leftists to demand surrender of more land after Arafat launched the First Oslo (bus bomb) war in 1994? After the Second Intifada in 2000?
11. You forget something
Harri ,   EU   (07.19.14)
This two state fairytale is the only solution that saves jewish Israel. There lives two million 0-18 old Arabs for one million 0-18 old Jews between the river and the sea. There is no military solution that can save Israel. You dont have time for military adventures. Hamas knows the math and makes everything to make two state solution impossible.
12. liers
David ,   Humphires   (07.19.14)
The territory is originally for gazans, they never took it over. "Israel" took over Palestine by force.
13. Propaganda backed by fuzzy thinking
(07.19.14)
Just put everything into one fuzzy bag of your choosing and an argument for propaganda is born. By this logic you could argue that we can never trust another human because, as has been proved again and again, humans lie and murder and destroy, bla bla bla
14. #11. Math is totally on Israel's side.
Chaim ,   Israel   (07.19.14)
Israel is winning demographically, economically, militarily and in every way. Math is totally on Israel's side. Everyone knows "Palestinian" numbers are fake.
15. Invasion, occupation, land theft, and Apartheid, not easy
Steve Benassi ,   Silver Bay, MN USA   (07.19.14)
...and always ends the same way, the invader leaves, again.
16. A lesson for naive dreamers????
tiki ,   belgium   (07.19.14)
I wouldn't bet on it!
17. #12 -David...
yosef, phd ,   florida - israel   (07.19.14)
How did such a great Biblical name descent on on an ignorant moron such as yourself...
18. #5 - hamas is born from the same ideology...
William ,   Israel   (07.20.14)
that caused this mess 95 years ago to begin with. Had the Muslim Brotherhood not gotten involved, had Al-Husseini not be given Grand Mufti status and led massacres and racism against Jews based on the same ideology. Had this not set the stage for Arabs trying to cleanse Jews from their homes of decades and centuries, based on a fake narrative of "Arab ownership". Had Al-Husseini not returned to Egypt and mentored Arafat in his version of hate and racism ideology... there would be peace and prosperity with the two peoples here today.
19. 12
yonatan Allon ,   adelaide/Israel   (07.20.14)
Why did you post?You are very ignorant.Education helps .
20. #15 - that's right. The Arabs will eventually leave
William ,   Israel   (07.20.14)
and return to lands from which they came, when they invaded, occupied, killed, converted, stole, and created an apartheid system - in the region and across northern Africa.
21. #14 Those Palestinian numbers are Israeli and US numbers
Harri ,   EU   (07.19.14)
You are living in a daydream if you don't understand that Israel is not winning in demographics. Your own statistics tell you the truth if you only want to listen. Every year there is less Jews (%) and more Arabs (%) also in Israeli statistics. Median age in Israel is about 30, when median age in Gaza is 18. If you cant understand what it means, it means that you are in a deep trouble.
22. to2
sara ,   jerusalem   (07.20.14)
thank you for this post yes the language is so important in the culture of the people and the arabic language has a position in islam it is mentioned about 10 times in kuran as a language of this holy book and as a judgment .. thank you again about this note
23. .1% of Palestinians fight their wars
goodRegimes   (07.20.14)
and .01% dictates their policy. this .01% also controls its wealth. the freedom of oppressed people can be assured if the world defeats the Iranian and Saudi regimes. iraq opened the road to tehran and qoms, but failed to move into strategic depth. we can see the counterrevolutions in syria, iraq, afghanistan, russia and hungary.
24. Harri # 11 You forgot something too....
Eaglebeak ,   Left Coast, USA   (07.20.14)
The God of Israel doesn't care about math.
25. @11 Your dividing people on Jewish and "others"
Miron ,   USA   (07.21.14)
is as old trick as downing civilian jets and pinning evil deed on economical competitor. Particularly when your own products cost 2x and yield in quality. It didn't work with Toyotas, it didn't work with Gallileo And it will fail with what you did in Masada. It just a matter of time, before everyone says "you know... she rolls".
26. Superficial analysis
Nathan ,   Herzliya   (07.21.14)
Bechor's analysis and conclusions are some superficial ones: they repeat an old demagogic, meaningless scheme. Territory today is not so crucial for the motives he states, provided the long range missiles in Hamas hands. Provided the Hamas neutralization, demography is strategic, so that future welfare of all populations is important as well. If fair living conditions are provided, less and less people will be prone to drop it, in order to make war. Hamas rules and oppresses thanks to ignorance, poverty but also thanks to its charity/social institutions. So more territory to Israel - read more phisical distance from palestinians - is needed only if you don't have a concrete strategy for a (more) peaceful future. It is needed only if you think as Hamas: annnihilating the enemy.
27. #21. Israel is winning demographically too.
Chaim ,   Israel   (07.21.14)
The bottom line, according to American and Israeli studies: 1. Jewish birthrates are rising fast and are now higher than "Palestinian" rates. 2. "Palestinian" birthrates are falling fast. 3. Jews are coming to Israel by the tens of thousands annually. 4. "Palestinians" are leaving our land at the rate of over 10,000 annually. Good carrot and stick Israeli policies could enormously accelerate "Palestinian" departure. Most "Palestinians" want to leave.
28. peace initiative needed
Pedro Portugal ,   portugal   (08.14.14)
In the last 6 years there have been 3 wars with Gaza. Israeli image got shattered. The results are not particularly good. Why not talk with hamas ? I do not believe israel does want to invade and rule Gaza. The other option would be to invade, oust Hamas and give the power to the palestinian authority. But would they accept it ? Would they accept return to Gaza on top of israeli tanks ? So the option is very simple : Talk to hamas.Get a deal so that Qassam will not come from territory. The fact is Gaza does remain blockaded and ppl in Gaza dont like it.
29. Invaders Leave Again.
Nahum Froumin ,   Ramat Hasharon   (09.23.14)
The Invader Leaves Again. ? So when do the white USA residents leave the land so the native Americans can reclaim it ?
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