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Ex-US Marine arrested upon arrival in Israel for dodging IDF draft
Itay Blumenthal
Published: 13.08.14, 23:18
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1. To: Facebook Gerald Feldman
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (08.13.14)
No, he came to lend moral support to his brother. He is barred from serving in a foreign military under the United States Uniform Code of Military Justice. In other words, he doesn't want to spend the next thirty years at hard labor in Leavenworth. Perfectly understandable -- to those with a brain, at any rate; a group which clearly does not include you. I wish the IDF would just as doggedly pursue the disaffected, overindulged and highly spoiled youth of north Tel Aviv and its northern suburbs, or the Orthodox who pretend to study Torah.
2. For how long does one have to be tied to Israel?
Zionists Disgrace   (08.14.14)
Israel has no right arresting one who became an American or German. One doesn't have to be Israeli forever.
3. It would have been so easy
Raphael ,   Netanya   (08.14.14)
To dress himself with a schtreimel, peyot, tsit tsit, and other hardware: no more trouble with the military bureaucracy, as the religious lobby would have taken care of him.
4. A Jew serving in a different Country
MJ   (08.14.14)
What does a Jewish boy serving in the US army???, an army that was such a good one, for sure we aw them (the 1940's army) a lot, they gave their lifes in WWII. But since hussein obamastan is there, what would a Jew do serving in that actual army, that hussein obama has been destroying???
5. US Marines
Mark Blacknell ,   Sebastian, Florida   (08.14.14)
On the David Krauskopf article. The US Army and the US Marines are different branches of the military. The Marines are an elite corps of warriors. If Krauskopf served in the Marines, like I did, he protected Israel and therefore fulfilled his service. Let him go, pat him on the back, bring him to meet the top brass of the IDF, give him a case of cold Goldstar and send him on his way with a "Toda Roba."
6. Brothers in arms
David ,   NYC   (08.14.14)
This is not only absurd on account of the fact that he served in the military of Israel's most important ally, but even more absurd given the fact that that ally-- the United States-- is for all intents and purposes, fighting the very same enemy, notwithstanding the attempts by Obama to deny and avoid it.
7. Dennis on facebook Do what many others did
George   (08.14.14)
if they wanted to visit Israel. Change your name. There's no other way getting around this crazy law.
8.  for dodging IDF draft
jacques ,   nsw   (08.14.14)
the only solution is to revoke your citizenship from overseas, you can't revoke your citizenship from Israel, that way they can't touch you. otherwise you have no chance to escape the draconian law in Israel, even if you made your military service in Israel and immigrated abroad ,when you come back they can draft you to Milouim as long as they want . people forget easy to get a citizenship in Israel but very hard to get rid of it.
9. Why are people with dual citizenship being singled out for
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IDF obligations when Israelis who dodge the draft like Bar Rafaeli and the Haridim are not arrested and forced to serve?
10. He is NOT an EX-Marine.He is still in the US Marine Reserves
Rivkah   (08.14.14)
He also left Israel before the age of 15 years (he left at 10 years of age to live with his father in Germany), so he is not subject to IDF service unless he chooses to join the IDF. What about Bar Rafaeli and the Haredim? When are THEY going to be arrested for failing to serve in the IDF???
11. Israel doesn't call the marines we call the IDF
zionist forever   (08.14.14)
The fact he has been in the marines should mean he should be able to dodge the draft in Israel. When Israel is at war we don't call in the marines to fight we call on the IDF and the IDF needs soldiers. In this case he was a serving marine at the time and legally unable to serve in a foreign military so that should be taken into account but not the fact he was serving in the marines and so Israel should have some kind of leeway to Americans because America is supposedly an ally ( not under Obama ).
12. Marine in Custody
Rafi ,   Merkaz, Israel   (08.14.14)
Just another example of how screwed up Israel is.
13. @Rivkah - New Math Speaks
Dan ,   K"S   (08.14.14)
Either reread the article, or get a lesson in math. He came to Israel at age 10. He left in 2005 (9 years ago) He is 28.
14. Give the guy a break it's not like he was out partying
Rod ,   Fargo N.Dakota   (08.14.14)
Like many of the Tel Aviv rich leftists who really dodge their conscription.It's not like Lapid a minister in the Govt who worked as a writer in the IDF magazine.H was 10 yrs old when he left Israel
15. 13 Dan: Well said. It was misread. But I have called out
Rivkah   (08.14.14)
the US Marine Corps publicity machine that would rival that of Josef Stalin to protest a US Marine jailed in Israel when he is still in the US Marines as a Ready Reservist. Israel is going to fry on this one, just as Mexico that wrongly jailed a US soldier is frying in the media. Why isn't Bar Rafaeli in JAIL??? HMMM??? Why aren't the Haredim in JAIL??? HMMM???
16. Once a Marine, always a Marine...
M. Davison ,   Ra'anana, Israel   (08.14.14)
So my late father, a veteran of Guadalcanal, Tarawa and Saipan said. To all those who called him "army" or "a soldier", take it back-- He's a Marine. Having said that, this young man was 19 when he left Israel, and, as such, should have been liable for the draft here. Somehow I have the feeling that we don't have the whole story here.
17. The math is so simple
Jean-Pierre ,   Holon, Israel   (08.14.14)
In 2014 the guy is 28 In 2005 he was 19 He came to Israel at the age of 10. These are the facts. A boy or girl, born to at least one Israeli parent who lives in Israel for 9 years is obliged to report the Army Enlistment Centre at the age of 17 when he receives a convocation. No exception. This guy surely knew that he had to go to the army but when he was 19 he got a permission to visit his father in Germany and he never came back. Actually IDF was very kind to let him see his father before he joins the army. What does this guy do? He ignores the Israeli law and stays in Germany then in the US. So now he comes to Israel and cries to a journalist that he is being victimized. This journalist blurs the dry facts and does not give simple straight dates and ages. Most people, at least every talk-backer, do not bother to calculate. Do we call this piece of writing a true reporting? Shame.
18. US Marine's arrest
Ex-Golani 73   (08.14.14)
I have seen similar situations in the past. I do not intend to get too deep into a legal debate. but the answer is easy. 1. This young man may or may not be aware of both US and Israeli laws in full nevertheless, his problem is due to having dual citizenship. The possession of dual citizenship does not negate obligations in law in either state. 2. What this young man should have done is to have spoken to the Israelimilitary attaches office in the US to get a letter of exemption from service due to his situation. The IDF normally is very accommodating about this. if this route was closed the n he had another option. 3 He could have given up his Israeli citizenship as he lives in the US and entered Israel as a tourist with a letter confirming his statues and that he had received an exemption from service in the IDF. The question now is what to do about the situation. Personally as he is committed to the US and service there it would be wise for the him to seek through the military court an exemption and for him to surrender his Israeli citizenship. This in my humble opinion is the simplest solution and fro him to be allowed to visit as a US citizen tourist. Now for those who are US Citizens ...who wish to serve in the IDF, the law might have changed but in the past a US citizen could not by US law serve in the armed forces of another state..The US did allow dual US and Israeli citizens to be drafted into the IDF but not to volunteer for IDF service. Whilst we are on this subject it is time again for the old rules/regulstions to be up held..IDF personnel must be Israeli citizens or permenant residence. When they are written about oer idenified in uniformand in service their place of birth and citizenship should not be published and put into the public domain..One simply needs to look at what South Africa is trying to do to at present. Further more it is giving information to enemies which they don't need to know or have.
19. Sounds like we don't have all facts
ORA ,   JERUSALEM   (08.14.14)
20. When he goes back to the USA and martial law starts, he
Rivkah   (08.14.14)
will be arrested for having dual citizenship. Better to stay in Israel and see if he can leave his USMC Ready Reserve obligation since with dual citizenship, he is a security threat suspect not a hero to the US government. No one hates returning US veterans like the US federal government which fears them.
21. 9
zionist forever   (08.14.14)
Bar Rafaeli is a disgrace who thinks she is entitled to not serve because of her career. If she wasn't a famous model she would probably have been arrested but which government wants to be the one to arrest one of Israel's most famous citizens just because she dodged the draft so she could make a modelling career. In the case of this marine in theory he has broken the law although in reality its not his fault because he was a marine before he was asked to come serve and a marine cannot serve in a foreign military. Both sides are right and both are wrong based on their logic for their arguments.
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