Opinion  Guy Bechor
The Palestinians need to learn from history
Guy Bechor
Published: 02.10.14, 12:01
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1. the old saying is perfect for the pallies
jerome ,   basalt, colorado   (10.02.14)
the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and over again, and expecting a different result!
2. Excellent editorial, but ...
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (10.02.14)
... I have absolutely no intention of wasting a single second of my time on Yom Kippur so much as thinking of the ersatz "palestinian" self-inflicted "plight." They got to where they are on their own. With some help from the usual flotsam and jetsam of Jew-haters and other assorted cretins. They have contribute nothing to civilization except violence, brutality and terrorism. They have sown the wind; they have no right to complain when the time comes to reap the whirlwind. There is nothing in their actions and behavior that finds favor in the eyes of G-d. As He has cast the ersatz "palestinian" jackals and hyenas from his sight -- Amalekites all -- so will I. There are enough people of Am Israel that are worthy of my thoughts and prayers. I have no time for craven "palestinian" terrorists and thugs who wish only to visit death and destruction upon the Jewish people. The ersatz "palestinians" shall have to look elsewhere. And if they don't shape up, they will definitely be looking from somewhere other than Judea and Samaria, and terrorist enclaves such as Umm al Fahm. Frankly, the Jewish people have had quite enough of them.
3. They were evicted
JAS ,   London   (10.02.14)
I don't think anyone buys the myth that they left of their own accord anymore. There was targeted expulsion of Arabs from their strategically located villages by the Palmach. True the Arab leadership tried to kill of the new-founded state, but as always the innocent civilians paid the price.
4. JAS #3
Gee ,   Zikron Yaakov   (10.02.14)
The myth is that they were expelled. Sorry but over half of the Arabs left BEFORE the Mandate ended. That is a fact. I can produce hundreds and even thousands of Arabs stating that they left on their own accord. Yours is the myth.
5. Wrong #3
Jason,Ph.D. ,   Charlotte, USA   (10.02.14)
It is a well-documented fact that the Arab states told the Palestinians to leave. Here is just one of many examples: Khaled Al-Azm, who was Syria's Prime Minister after the 1948 war, wrote the following in his 1972 memoirs: "Since 1948 it is we who demanded the return of the refugees ... while it is we who made them leave.... We brought disaster upon ... Arab refugees, by inviting them and bringing pressure to bear upon them to leave.... We have rendered them dispossessed.... We have accustomed them to begging.... We have participated in lowering their moral and social level.... Then we exploited them in executing crimes of murder, arson, and throwing bombs upon ... men, women and children-all this in the service of political purposes..."
6. Muslims are slow learners.
Brad ,   USA   (10.02.14)
Israel isn't going anywhere. The Bible indicates that Israel is a "burdensome stone" for all nations who come against it. It will be that way until the time when all nations attack it, and it will look as though Israel will finally be eliminated. But it won't be, because Jesus Christ will personally intervene from the mount of olives, and those attacking nations will wish they had a second chance to live in peace with Israel. A second chance won't be forthcoming.
7. Who's the Victim?
karmel usa   (10.02.14)
Amen to #1 and #2. #3- I can't totally disagree, because it is quite true that there were many innocent Arabs that were cruelly manipulated by their own so called leadership. It's 2014 and the Arab leaders are as cruel, manipulative and hypocritical as ever.
8. #3 before you post your strong opinion
jerome ,   basalt, colorado   (10.03.14)
you should really check your facts! it is well know and documented that many arRABs left on the request of the invading arab armies that never imagined that in 1948 it was there first of many defeats trying to throw the Jews out of their ancient and newly founded homeland. only fools believe the arab and libtard lies and false narrative. I should sell you a bridge because you are the one that buys the myth!!!
9. #2 - No one can surpass you in self-deceiving business ,...
split ,   US   (10.02.14)
... except yourself - Now it's you against the universe ,...
10. Loren Gee @ FB ,...
split ,   US   (10.02.14)
There's a book on the market by Richard Ben Cramer, 'How Israel lost' where he dedicates a whole chapter to Jewish atrocities at that time, read it ,...
11. JAS no 3
Claude ,   UK and Cape Town   (10.02.14)
Yes some were evicted, some villages were destroyed and atrocities committed, but huge numbers left because of promises made by neighbouring Arab States that the Jewish State would be destroyed A promise to ethnically cleanse the area of Jews. Many others stayed as can be seen by the populations of Haifa, Jaffa, Ramla, Lod, many towns in N Israel. Many many of IL have and continue to prosper. If and when PALESTINIANS and their supporters accept the original UN decision to partition into 2 states , one very clearly a Jewish State on then PALESTINIANS can think of a new and better modus vivendi Until then they remain stuck with a Nakba primarily of their own making. Palestinian attitudes towards any form of Jewish immigration during Ottoman and Mandate periods was reminiscent to today's anti immigrant parties of Europe. And the Palestinians are paying the price for their stupidity.
12. Jewish opinions & view of history is always
US Gentile   (10.02.14)
good for a chuckle. From Nov 47 till Apr 48 (before Arabs nation enter the war) jew-terrorists were slaughtering and transferring the indigenous Palestine's. The 67 war started when the jews conducted a sneak attack on Egypt.
13. Jas. Ignorant
Amos ,   Canada   (10.02.14)
Go talk to your grandfather. He must have been in the occupying British army that incited the massacres by the the Arabs and as they were kicked out of Israel, "warned" their Arab friends of the revenge they may suffer at the Jews hands. It was that fear that drove them to flee. As a matter of fact, after the 1948 war was won, the Israeli government invited them to return. So there you go. a bit of education for you.
14. # 3 The headline of your talkback
Moshe ,   Israel   (10.04.14)
Is misleading. As one can conclude from your comment, only part of the hostile Palestinian population (from "strategic villages") was expelled. Have you done it intentionally ?
15. You forgot one major issue here
A Bethlehemite   (10.02.14)
That the Zionist leaders were claiming ethnic cleaning of the non Jews before anyone else. It's in black and white in Churchill's 1922 White Paper: Phrases have been used such as that Palestine is to become "as Jewish as England is English." Doesn't exactly give you that warm fuzzy feeling about Zionism and have the locals embrace them with open arms.
16. Jason no. 5
AL ,   USA   (10.05.14)
In order not to embarrass the school that awarded you the three letters after your name, read the conclusion of a thorough research on the subject by Dr. Ilan Pappe,a history professor at Jerusalem Hebrew university and Oxford University. The 1948 Palestinian exodus resulted from a planned ethnic cleansing of Palestine that was implemented by the Zionist movement leaders, mainly David Ben-Gurion and the other ten members of his "consultancy group" as referred to by Pappé. The book argues that the ethnic cleansing was put into effect through systematic expulsions of about 500 Arab villages, as well as terrorist attacks executed mainly by members of the Irgun and Haganah troops against the civilian population. Ilan Pappé also refers to Plan Dalet and to the village files as a proof of the planned expulsions.
17. Claude No. 11
Al ,   USA   (10.05.14)
There was no reasons to remove the remaining Palestinians since the new Zionist state already achieved a Jewish majority by ethnic cleansing. Think about it, even the portion that the UN awarded to the Jewish state had a Palestinian Arab Majority. What is interesting is some of the commentators try to make it a moslem issue. Palestinians are both muslims and Christians. Palestinian Christian held top leadership post within the PLO such as George Habash, Kamal Edwan, Wadea Haddad and Ghassan Kanafani a well known Palestinian writer and author of many books who was assassinated with his 8 yrs old niece by Mosad operatives.
18. What Ilan Pappe forgot to mention
Raphael ,   Netanya   (10.05.14)
1948, before leaving, our arab neighbours earmarked with a chalk the jewish houses on which they took an option after coming back with the triumphant arab armies. Now, after Tzuk Eitan, they are again voting with their feet, and for the first time stowing away on rafts bound to Lampedusa: seems they are fed up with the naqba narrative and the "right of return" fairy tale, which are only a gimmick of their leaders to keep them flocked in a welfare addict status.
19. #3, civilians run from every war front, nothing new here ...
Ibraim Sued ,   Rio de Janeiro   (10.06.14)
and the point everyody seems to miss is that they were not allowed back, that's the only question to discuss. My position is that they were an hostile population, can be compensated but not come back, practical reasons of national interest
20. How can one learn from history if
Koose E Mack ,   NY US   (10.05.14)
they are constantly lying to change it?
21. #5 - 'It is a well-documented fact that the Arab states'
split ,   US   (10.05.14)
Documented where, in Jewish Virtual Library? You got to be kiddin',... Google, "Sharon and Eitan caught this man" and read the first entry ,... It was your terror that made them run not some alleged Arab promise ,...
22. @ #16 - AL
M. Davison ,   Ra'anana, Israel   (10.05.14)
About Ilan Pappé: Ilan Pappé, by his own admission, is not a historian, but a writer of historical fiction. The following is from an interview with “Le Soir”, November 29, 1999: “Ilan Pappé has repeatedly and openly eschewed historical facts in favor of ideology, stating, for example, ‘Indeed the struggle is about ideology, not about facts, Who knows what facts are? We try to convince as many people as we can that our interpretation of the facts is the correct one, and we do it because of ideological reasons, not because we are truthseekers.’” Ilan Pappé was dismissed from his position as a tenured professor at Haifa University for defending the master’s thesis of a student who had “researched” an IDF massacre in 1948 that never happened. The soldiers of the unit that supposedly committed the massacre sued the student for libel and slander – and won. As a result, Ilan Pappé was dismissed from his position at the university for “academic dishonesty”. He wrote this for Counterpunch, published May 3, 2003: “Over a year has passed now, since the Israeli army invaded the refugee camp in Jenin, destroyed its houses, killed many of its inhabitants and committed one of the worst war crimes in this present Intifada, Intifada al-Aqsa. With a successful campaign of distortion and manipulation of evidence, the Israeli foreign ministry, with the help of the United States, succeeded in hiding from the world the horrors of Jenin, and even worse, in intimidating anyone daring to tell the truth about what had happened there . . .” Of course, it doesn’t matter to him that the UN, the ICRC, Amnesty International and Human Rights watch all investigated the “Jenin Massacre” and found it to be a lie. He, apparently, knows what happened better than those organizations. From the original 5,000 civilian dead the Palestinians claimed, the number lost a zero and became 500, then finally became 56, 46 of whom were listed as fighters. Truth was never a primary value for Mr. Pappé. Anyone relying on Pappé’s statements and books to prove a point is barking up the wrong tree. Historical fiction can’t be used as proof for anything other than the author’s imagination.
23. #22 - Save your breath, pal ,...
split ,   US   (10.06.14)
He's much more reliable than you and your hasbara peddlers ,... There're tons of books, reports and sources on this subject but you insist that the massacres never happen ,... Google, "Sharon and Eitan caught this man" and read the first entry ,...
24. By the way peddler @ 22 ,...
split ,   US   (10.06.14)
Jerusalem Forest was planted over the rubbles of Palestinian villages in 1950s ,...
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