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ISIS and the Palestinians are not the same thing
Yariv Oppenheimer
Published: 20.11.15, 12:42
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1. Disneyworld
Sarner ,   Germany   (11.20.15)
THE right also Wants Freodom the only Problem Is that they don't want to pay the same price as in Gaza. This Is why At the Moment a two-State Solution Is too dangerous. Stop inciting against your own people, don't try to explain a difference where there is none. Even the terrorist expert in Germany says that radical theocratic countries are inciting against the westby trying that the Muslims around the world feel uncomfortable. In this way they win more terrorists, regardless to which association they turn to. Shalom
2. Good analysis.
cfspirit ,   fr and dz   (11.20.15)
Thank you.
3. I have to ask why this moron hates Jews so much
Gee ,   Zikron Yaakov   (11.20.15)
He is inane, moronic and hateful and supports the very same people that state that they will kill him given the slightest chance. Now you know why the Surrender Now movement has to be financed by foreign racists. Most Israelis are not suicidal like this jerk
4. The blood is not yet dry from yesterday's terror attacks
Jake   (11.20.15)
perpetrated by palestinian jihadi terrorists against Israel, murdering 5 in cold blood...and Yariv Oppenheimer is already at pains to distance these terrorist acts from those of ISIS, despite the fact that Hamas' own charter calls for the destruction of the State of Israel as a prelude to the extermination of ALL Jews, per the tenets of Islamic hadith. Oppenheimer is also at pains to link the current terror against Israel to the "occupation", failing to note that the same terror existed between 1948 and 1967, as well as before the foundation of the State, without abatement. Come to think of it, Oppenheimer is engaging in much the same "moral relativism" as John Kerry did yesterday, when he distinguished between the ISIS attacks against Charlie Hebdo, which he said had "legitimacy" and "rationale", and last week's ISIS attack in Paris, which he described as "senseless murders".
5. Delusion
Joe Mevorah ,   Lincoln, USA   (11.20.15)
No wonder why many Israelis are turning right in their political ideologies. People representing Peace Now, such as Yariv Oppenheimer, are delusionists.
6. If the Palestinians wanted 2 state solution
Yosef ,   Usa   (11.20.15)
They want a Jewish free apartheid state of Palestine next to Israel were Palestinians will have the right to live and return to until they are majority so they can kick Jews out. So basically there is were you fail. They want the whole old Palestine mandate jewdenrein.
7. Islam terror cleansed Jews in MEast!
Benny ,   Iraq   (11.20.15)
The author is in "la-la land". Islamic terror has no boundaries. Arabs mistreated Jews from all the Mideast. Jews wouldn't be alive if Jordan, Egypt & Syria had won the war. REad "From Time Immemorial", the best documentary, showing you that Arabs ran away from their evil leaders to Israel for jobs & a better life. The Arabs came from all over Arabia. They don't own anything in Israel. The UN in 1920 in San Remo granted Israel all of the West Bank as a homeland from the river to the sea . The major chunk Saudi Arabia,Syria Trans-Jordan, etc were given to the Arabs. But this was not enough for them even though they took the lion's share. Read your history before you give away yours & more Jewish lives. They never stopped their violence. Even Mo said: "Let the children of Bani Israel go to their Jewish homeland in peace for they are blessed by Allah". He didnt invite the Muslims because they had plenty of land but all they do is squander, pillage & steal.
8. How is Israel contrlling the Palestinians except for
DOV ,   USA   (11.20.15)
Defense purposes. Palestinian terrorists and ISIS have the same motivation. Let’s not forget the horrors of the past when suicide bombers were blowing up buses all over Israel. I always think that the moderates are too weak to change the situation but were they all coerced into voting Hamas in or do they believe that the Israeli withdrawal from Gaza was a first step to victory over the Jews. We offer peace and they offer death.
9. peaceniks
moffi   (11.20.15)
if you really believe in your so called peace, then get out of palestine and move back to poland or new york. as zohar said, he is not interested in 2 states side by side and end of occupation. He wants jews out including oppenheimer. And if he dosen't get out of tell aviv, the arabs will cut his throat, him ben ami, and michaeli. UN resolutions will not save them and other jews. Zohar wants their filthy feet out of islamic lands.
10. nazis abused and destroyed jews
geroge   (11.20.15)
Reality proved that nazis degraded and detroyed jews. Some jews may have glossed over t hings,maybe we should be more quiet, maybe the germans have a point. Jews like oppenheimer, michaelis, ami and shaffrir turn facts around saying rockets and stabbings were brought on by Israeli occcupation and things would be ok with 2 states. \except that arabs want tel aviv.This is denied by the peaceniks who have 3 problems with \israel- the occupation, jewish use of guns, and the state of israel and exercise of power. They prefer to be ruled by the UN or sultan overlord. For them, maybe hitler had a point. The parents of oppenheimer, ami and michaeli did a horrible job in raising this treasonous trio of israel haters.Its not as if irael did not try-oslo, barak offer, olmert offer, gaza withdrawal/ \no-oppenheimer-jews are not marching into the ovens . They will defend themselves. \do not get in the way.
11. what world do you live on? must be an intellectual.
ralph   (11.20.15)
12. Bottom line: This tiny land is ours
Chaim ,   Israel   (11.20.15)
Israel "occupies" only her own 4,000 year old ancestral heartland. Judea and Samaria belong to Israel and make Israel viable. Oppenheimer's comments about ISIS are equally wrong. ISIS springs from exactly the same poisoned waters as Fatah, Hamas, the P.A. and all the other "Palestinian" terrorist groups.
13. Israel has its own reasons to not want a terrorist state
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14. Yariv Oppenheimer's Straw Man
Hunt S Cross ,   England   (11.20.15)
It's the PLO, Fatah and Hamas leaderships' decades-long refusal to make peace and continued incitement and sponsorship of murder that requires Israel to keep the peace, not recent vicious attacks thousands of miles away. How ugly and opportunistic is Oppenheimer's attempt to use the sad news of tragedy in Paris to obscure the cause of other tragedies in Israel.
15. Dishonest and reality denier
Avram Goldsmith ,   Concord   (11.20.15)
M. Oppenheimer miss the point of analysis since 100 year ago from progroms, under British Mandate , killing Jews, expelling Jews, from expelling Jews from Arab countries , come the circumstances of today with Palestinian ISS direct called HAMAS and indirect called PLO and you are trying to give an excuse to terrorism as the same s French leaders until they are found under direct and obviously threat which can be denied, Israel fight terrorism for its early birth and you divert this reality for some stupid ideology? Shame of you!!!
16. What do the Palestinians want
mike ,   Seattle, USA   (11.20.15)
The essence of anti-Semitism is to blame the Jews for the acts of those who want to kill Jews, and to try to understand, explain and apologize for those whose hatred of Jews and Israel is so intense that they are literally happy to commit suicide to kill Jews and destroy the only Jewish State. These people are not fighting and dying to get rid of the settlements and end the "Occupation". They make it clear every day that their goal is to kill all the Jews and destroy Israel. It is delusional political correctness to pretend otherwise. The author should remember that the PLO was created in 1964, before any settlements or Occupation. The author should remember that Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza committed dozens of terrorist attacks against Israel before 1967. The author should remember that since Israel withdrew from the Gaza Strip and Lebanon Palestinians have fired literally thousands of missiles into Israel. Each missile is a terrorist attack and "Collective Punishment" intended to kill Jewish men, women and children. And what is the response of Peace Now to these facts? "We haven't given the Palestinians enough. That is why they are trying to kill us. It is our fault. If only we would give them everything they want, they would stop trying to kill us. Therefore, it is the fault of the Jews that the Palestinians want to kill us, because we are not giving them everything they demand." There were Jews in Germany who said the same things during the 1930's. They were called Kapos. The never ending efforts of some Jews to justify and explain the acts of those who want to kill all Jews is amazing to me. The author is literally willing to sacrifice the lives of Jews and the State of Israel on the alter of Political Correctness. Tragic and delusional.
17. Mr YARIV OPPENHEIMER
Barry A Simon ,   St Laurent, Montreal   (11.20.15)
Do you who have read the article or commented on it realize that the word ASSASIN comes from the Arabic word Hashashin and is based on an Islamic cult from centuries ago whose members got high on hashish then went out and knifed their enemies to death? Also, remember that the CRUSADERS occupied the Holy Land for over a hundred years before SALAH-A-DIN conquered the land and reinstated Muslim control over the area. Thus, the only possible two state solution would be the one proposed by a number of Israeli governments whereby Israel would basically control transportation, the military and police, the borders and everything entering both Gaza and Judea and Samaria. Since no other nation, to my knowledge, exists under said circumstances, none of the nation's of the world have the foresight to admit that the Israeli plan is the only workable one.
18. Isis and Palestinians are similar
David ,   New york   (11.20.15)
Both want to destroy us.
19. you know what i think?
les ,   canada   (11.20.15)
that yariv fellow is a complete and total nut case. will see what his "valued opinion" will be with a knife in his back.....
20. Sane Israelis support Mr. Yariv Oppenheimer
Michael ,   California, USA   (11.20.15)
The opponents are for an endless struggle, the same as their opponents -- the radical Muslims. Sane Israelis and moderate Muslims must find ways to act together for peace. There is no light in the tunnel of the endless struggle.
21. RESPONSE TO MR. OPPENHEIMER !
FO ,   Belgium   (11.21.15)
I have not the slightest doubt that you too, you are opposed to all forms of terrorism. What disturbs me is your naivety, your lack of historical knowledge and your stubborn refusal to admit actual facts ! First about what you call "Palestinians": the November 1947 UN proposal (as ALL Unga resolutions are just proposals but never binding) spoke about the partition of Palestine between a Jewish state and an Arab state, NOT a Palestinian state. Even the term "Arab" was a mistake. More accurate would have been a "Moslem state", because not all were Arabs, but also descendants of European Moslems "imported" by the Turks after Napoleon's passage, fearing Christian immigration to Palestine. The rest, hundreds of thousand arrived, with no links to Palestine, from neighboring Arab countries as migrants, seeking for a better life, the same we see today in Europe, when the Jews started rebuilding the country. The term "Palestinian nation" was a KGB invention of the years sixty. About what YOU call (and you are unfortunately not alone) OCCUPATION: according to INTERNATIONAL LAW based on Article 80 of the UNITED NATIONS' CHARTER, the UN thus having inherited ALL LEAGUE OF NATIONS' decisions, including the "MANDATE FOR PALESTINE" (1922), that gave the Jews the IRREVOCABLE RIGHT to settle anywhere between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River, including the Golan Heights, in order to create their own independent state! The author of UNSC Resolution 242, the cornerstone in diplomacy for settling the conflict between Israel and the Arab states, did embed Article 80 of UN Charter in said Resolution through the wording "Withdrawal FROM territories" and not "Withdrawal FROM THE territories. Take some time, Mr. Oppenheimer, and educate yourself, reading articles written by the Resolution 242 author. So, accusing Israel of committing a war crime based on the Fourth Geneva Convention is pure nonsense! You will ask, and what about the Muslims living there? Well as an answer I give the answer given by the late Rabin in an interview to the Belgian Television: "In a peace solution between Jordan and Israel, I believe that the Palestinian issue can be solved in a way that the Palestinians will find their right to express their special identity, but, it will never be though the so-called PLO or through a third independent state. Because a third independent state between Jordan and Israel will serve as a time bomb against Jordan as well as Israel". Rabin's words! Amazing, right? And last but not least, Mr. Oppenheimer, hoping to find in the Arab world, today, partners for "Equality, Freedom and Fraternity" is as a wishful thinking as hoping a Nazi being a Jew lover, a Communist being a capitalist and a believer in God being an atheist.
22. yes and no to your headlines!
Calabi ,   Sydney Aust   (11.22.15)
I spent decades talking to muslims, Arabs and the followers of Arabs (second class non Arab muslims ). Their agenda and wild hope to take the whole world will not give them the faith as long as the Jews/Israel is in their Ancestor Land. Land where Patriarch Abraham was there when Arabs was not even existed. First wave Plo, Pflp, Black sept........killed Jews and Gentiles! Condition the world politicians and leftist with corrupted western Universities Deans and Lectures funded by Saudi Petrol $ plus......... Right now is the second wave waiting to joint the first wave.........sure from now on new development could change the dynamics but the ultimatum is the same. Is hard to say how much they used Russia and how much America is pushing Russia into the M/E trap. Israel must be studying and continuously changing plans as the dynamics changes. Examples isn't it bizarre King of Sunni Mecca encourage and hope allah to push Israel to BOMB shia muslim Persia? Different regional CEO is operating. God bless Israel
23. #20 Clueless and Insane Radical Leftist
Steve Benassi ,   Silver Bay, MN USA   (11.22.15)
There isn't one shred of logic or fact in what author writes
24. Murdering feeds the Violent Cycle
Zechariah   (11.22.15)
Murdering feeds the Violent cycle and Strengthens the Ferals both Jewish and Arab . The PA propaganda is blantantly antiJewish and the Jews are Provoking with more settlements . But the real danger decades ahead is that the MAD structure will breakdown and the Jews and Arabs have to plan to prevent massive wars .
25. more brain dead thinking. just amazing. learned nothing.
ralph   (11.22.15)
26. you must be an intellectual, an educated leftist. only such
ralph   (11.23.15)
can believe such stupidity.
27. Very good reply by #21 from belgium
Adler J   (11.23.15)
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