Opinion  Yoram Ettinger
Two-way independence
By Yoram Ettinger
Published: 12.05.05, 11:35
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31. US aid to Israel.
Abu   (05.13.05)
Why all the muslims and arabs oppose so fiercely the cooperation between two democratic states like U.S and Israel? Because they are a bunch of inept cowards, with no blood in the face to get red with shame. They ve tried every other violent option to no avail, and when they have been unable to exact the wanted result; the annihilation of the people of Israel, now they are maneuvering to isolate Israel and make their defense costs unbearable. Shame of you , ladies.
32. To 28
(05.13.05)
Phyllis bennis LOL, shes some sort of Chomskite. You phail miserably, it's the equivilant of me using Kahane Chai as a source.
33. to Adina
E ,   S   (05.13.05)
first of all your way of shows how deep is your nivau and your standard ... and if you call this cowred it means alot here are cowards too ... and to show how coward i am ... my name is E = Emad and i live in S = Switzerland .... do you feel better now ? .... try to learn how to be polite .... smile
34. to Linda again
E ,   S   (05.13.05)
I am sorry Linda i wanted to write that it is not true that we the Jews not we hate the Jews ... that's it .... my best regards
35. IN REPLY TO #28's JEW-HATING LIES AGAINST ISRAEL
Linda Rivera ,   New York   (05.13.05)
There NEVER was an Arab country of Palestine. Jerusalem was NEVER the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity. JERUSALEM IS MENTIONED OVER 800 TIMES IN THE BIBLE, NOT ONCE IN THE KORAN. Haj Amin, Jerusalem's Muslim religious leader, travelled to Europe and spent the war years helping Hitler murder Europe's Jews. Around 1948, Arab countries VIOLENTLY ETHNICALLY CLEANSED ONE MILLION JEWS FROM ARAB COUNTRIES. Arab governments seized the land, homes, bank accounts, businesses and assets of the Jews. Most of the Jewish refugees fled to Israel. THERE MUST NOW BE A JUST SETTLEMENT FOR THESE JEWISH REFUGEES & THEIR DESCENDANTS! Arabs FIRST took the name "Palestinians in 1967. Arafat was the FIRST leader of this NEW PEOPLE. Before 1948, Jews were known as Palestinians! After Jews miraclously transformed desert and swamps into rich agricultural land, a large number of Arabs came to Palestine from Arab countries for jobs from Jews. The fact that the overwhelming majority of Arabs resided only briefly in Palestine is attested to by the special UN decree: Any Arab who had resided for only 2 years in Palestine before 1948, and then left, would be considered a refugee and so would his descendants!!! In 1948, Egypt invaded Gaza and ethnically cleansed ALL Jews. In 1948, Jordan invaded Judea-Samaria (West Bank) and Jewish east Jerusalem and ethnically cleansed ALL Jews. Opposing G-D, Jordan destroyed 58 synagogues in Jerusalem. In 1967, when Israel won Islam's war of aggression against it, Jews returned to the areas of their homeland they had been ethnically cleansed from for 19 years. Islamofascists deceitfully call this return "occupation". Under international law, territories are considered "occupied" only when taken in an act of aggression which does not apply to Israel. According to international law, Judea Samaria and Gaza are not 'occupied territories' because they were not taken from any foreign sovereign. The Palestinian Authority teach the genocide of Jews through their mosques, media and educational systems. Sheik Ibrahim Madiras, Friday sermon, Palestinian Authority T, Sept. 10 2004: "The prophet said: the Resurrection will not take place until the Muslims fight the Jews, and the Muslims kill them." The PA call the Islamofascist murderers of Jews, heroes. Every time Jews are murdered by Islamofascist human bombers THOUSANDS of PA society Muslims celebrate in the streets. Colluding with Egypt, the PA have smuggled anti-aircraft missiles and anti-tank missiles into Gaza. All PA maps, TV, educational curricula show the new State of Palestine covering ALL Israel with ALL Jerusalem as their capital as their goal is Islamic conquest of ALL Israel. Israel-cherished Holy Land of Jews and Christians is global jihad's greatest prize.
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37. LINDA- racist hysterical woman
mike ,   USA   (05.14.05)
Fisrt- I KNOW some people with passports that say they were born in Jerusalem, PALESTINE- 1917- if you LOOK through old national geographics, the area was CALLED PALESTINE pre 1948- the zionist movement gathered power post the trauma of WW2 and they got their wish of a homeland for 'jews'. and at the time, this seemed like a good idea. No one planned on the pain,horror and crimes that would be committed on the people already living there- I bet you are either a raving born again christinian that believes in the rapture- or a pro-israeli dualie residing in the USA. which one is it- either way- your racism against the Arabs is a bit ugly.
38. Israel democracy
F. Franklin ,   UK   (05.14.05)
Is it Israeli Democracy or "Jewish Democracy" Prior to the 1948 war, Palestinian Christians and Muslims were a two-third majority of the population of Palestine, who owned and operated 93% of Palestine's lands? Prior to the 1948 war, most Israeli Jews were persecuted and dispossessed European Jews who made a one-third minority of the population? For Israel to become a "Jewish majority" it opted to expel and dispossess the two-third Palestinian majority? 80% of the Palestinian people were dispossessed from their homes, farms, and businesses and have been kept out for the past 54 years? 95% of Israel's lands (which is mostly owned by Palestinian refugees) is open for development to Jews only? Israeli-Palestinian citizens live almost in segregated communities (or ghettos) because development is strictly limited outside their villages? Ironically, the word "ghetto" was invented to describe the living conditions of Eastern European Jews in Tsarist Russia! For just being "Jewish" you gain an automatic citizenship in Israel? Plus tens of thousands of dollars in subsidies too. Palestinian Muslims or Christians refugees, who were born in the country and later expelled, cannot gain Israeli citizenship? Of course, unless they convert to Judaism first! Pretending to be Jewish in Israel is punishable by law with up to one year's imprisonment? On the other hand, if you pretend to be a Muslim or Christian the law does you no harm! When the Palestine problem was created by Britain in 1917, more than 92% of the population of Palestine were Arabs and there were at that time no more than 56,000 Jews in Palestine? That Muslim, Christian, and Jewish Palestinians at that time lived in peace with each other? Palestinians in the early 20th century owned 97.5% of the land, while Jews (native Palestinians and recent immigrants together) owned only 2.5% of the land? Close to 4 million Palestinian Muslims and Christians are being subjected to Israeli laws that are different than the laws governing the 4.5 million Israeli Jews? Is this a "democratically" elected apartheid, or not, that is the question? In the occupied West Bank there are "Jewish Roads" and "Non-Jewish Roads"? Israel issues national identify cards where the religion of the card holder is clearly shown in bold type? Palestinians in the occupied West Bank and Gaza drive vehicles with license plates that have different coloring than the cars driven by Israeli settlers? Palestinians in the occupied West Bank and Gaza hold ID cards that are of different colors than the cards held by Israeli settlers? The only form of Judaism recognized by the "Jewish state" is Orthodox Judaism, so most US Jews could not get married in Israel. Furthermore, the only conversion to Judaism recognized is Orthodox, so most US converts aren't Jewish enough. Just prior to the 1948 war, Jews owned under 7% of Palestine's land, and to increase their share after the war, they passed the "Absentees' Law" which dispossessed the Palestinian majority land owners who later became "absent". What is even more tragic was the passage of an oxymoron law, called "Present Absentees' Law," which dispossessed the Palestinian-Israeli citizens who became internal refugees in Israel. It is worth noting that the internal Jewish refugees were not dispossessed as a result of this racist law. The U.S. funneled into the Israeli economy over 130 billion dollars, which is almost twice the amount devoted to rebuilding Western Europe after WW II! Israel has nuclear weapons, and it was close to dropping one on Cairo in 1973? Israeli soldiers use human shields in battle to minimize their casualties? Israel killed over 20,000 Lebanese and Muslims (90% of whom are civilians) with American made and paid for weapons? Ariel Sharon is under indictment in Belgium for war crimes against Palestinian civilians?
39. Reply to #38, UK racism and hypocracy
Andy ,   Ra'anana, Israel   (05.14.05)
As a resident of the UK, you should get your own house in order. The racism in Britain is so bad that only a couple of years ago race riots took place in Burnley, Bradford and other northern towns the likes of which had never been seen in post war Europe. And you call yourselves democratic with equal rights for all. And you F. Franklin proudly display your association with such a country that has invaded Iraq causing 400 dead in just the last 2 weeks which is about the same number as were killed in Israel and the West Bank in the whole of 2004. And historically your nation and ancestors invaded and occupied what is now Austarlia and USA, where you had no historical connections at all, killing nearly all the natives which is why their are now no political debates about sovereignty. Perhaps if we Jews had killed all the natives our lot would be much easier today. But we didn't. To answer a few of your misleading comments (space doesn't permit answering them all): "For Israel to become a "Jewish majority" it opted to expel and dispossess the two-third Palestinian majority? " Israel became a Jewish majority due to a UN vote when British Mandatory Palestine (not Arab Palestine) was divided up in to an area with a Jewish majority and an area with an Arab majority. The Jews accepted the arrangement which would have created two independent states and the local Palestinian Arabs would have had their own country for the first time in their history. The Arabs screwed up big time by rejecting the offer, attacked the new Jewish State, and lost the war and their state. To say that all the Arabs were kicked out is nonsense. Instead of reading your propaganda books you should speak to some of the Israeli Arabs who still live here (whom I have spoken to) and describe how their gullible brethren fled due to the lies about massacres put out by there leaders. Some civilians on both sides were killed and displaced for sure as occurs in any war sadly, like the Jews who lived in Gaza or Gush Etzion near Jerusalem, or the often reported massacre of Arabs in Deir Yassin, but that does not account for the majority of the Arab refugees. "For just being "Jewish" you gain an automatic citizenship in Israel? Plus tens of thousands of dollars in subsidies too. " Not tens of thousands. May be 2-3 thousand in tax breaks. And so will Palestinians immigrants get priority in a Palestinian state when it is formed. Will you oppose that? "Pretending to be Jewish in Israel is punishable by law with up to one year's imprisonment?" Garbage! "Close to 4 million Palestinian Muslims and Christians are being subjected to Israeli laws that are different than the laws governing the 4.5 million Israeli Jews?" Obviously because the ones living outside Israel in Gaza and West Bank are not Israeli citizens. The Arabs living in Israel are subject to the same laws as Jews. "The only form of Judaism recognized by the "Jewish state" is Orthodox Judaism, so most US Jews could not get married in Israel." Again garbage. The only issue is with converts to Judaism, not the form of Judaism, if any, they practice. Every religion has its conversion requirements. And what right do you have to tell we Israelis about our Judaism? We'll sort out our own internal disputes.
40. ARABS WERE ALREADY GIVEN 80% OF PALESTINE
Linda Rivera ,   New York   (05.15.05)
The 22 HUGE OIL-WEALTHY Arab states cover over six million square miles, over ten percent of the land surface of earth. TINY Israel only one tenth of one percent of the Middle East. In 1922 Arabs were given 80% of Palestine which became Jordan, giving the Arabs their Arab Palestinian state. It was ethnically cleansed of Jews. This area was part of ancient Biblical Israel and along with present day Israel, including Judea, Samaria (West Bank) and Gaza was recognized by the League of Nations as the Jewish homeland. Desiring another Islamist state in TINY Israel, America is breaking U.S. laws that make it illegal to discriminate based on race or religion. Demanding forcible removal of Jews from the Jewish homeland based on RACE-JEWS and RELIGION-JUDAISM, in order to give Jewish land, holy places and assets to the followers of the politically correct religion of Islam. Arab Christians in Palestinian Authority areas are brutally persecuted, their human rights DESTROYED by Oslo-Road Map. This MASSIVE ATTACK ON JUDAISM AND CHRISTIANITY BY U.S. EU, UN & Russia, has ominous implications for EVERY Jew and Christian on earth. Sue to stop religious persecution, Jew-hating racism and theft of Jewish land. When Jordan invaded Judea Samaria and Jewish east Jerusalem in 1948, ethnically cleansing ALL Jews, Jordan destroyed 58 synagogues in Jerusalem. The religious war against Jews and Christians never ends. Islamofascists desecrate and destroy Jewish and Christian holy sites - murdering IDF soldiers at Joseph's Tomb. They destroyed the Tomb and BURNT BIBLES CONTAINING THE LAWS G-D GAVE TO MOSES. Joseph is the beloved Bible hero of Jews and Christians. In the Islamic invasion and desecration of Jesus Christ' birthplace, Church of Nativity, BIBLES WERE TORN UP FOR TOILET PAPER. At Judaism's holiest site, the Temple Mount, Muslims have MASSIVELY desecrated and destroyed.
41. To 38
(05.15.05)
Since some have already been destroyed I'll take a whack "95% of Israel's lands (which is mostly owned by Palestinian refugees) is open for development to Jews only?" Flat out lie, most land in Israel is owned by the government. Whoever buys the land develops it. "Israeli-Palestinian citizens live almost in segregated communities (or ghettos) because development is strictly limited outside their villages?" Laughable, just go to any major city in Israel. In the apartment building I live in their are arabs who live here. Up the street an arab guy owns a very expensive villa, and so on. Obviously their are neighborhoods that are predominately one group. But thats with everywhere in the world, are you telling me in the UK they don't have neighborhoods that one groups is the majority. "Palestinian Muslims or Christians refugees, who were born in the country and later expelled, cannot gain Israeli citizenship? Of course, unless they convert to Judaism first! " Instead of just saying the "right of return" which is a ridiculous demand because it will make the Jewish population in Israel a minority. This is something that is being negoetiated. But since you have problem with this, why doesn't the UK allow unlimited immigration? "When the Palestine problem was created by Britain in 1917, more than 92% of the population of Palestine were Arabs and there were at that time no more than 56,000 Jews in Palestine? That Muslim, Christian, and Jewish Palestinians at that time lived in peace with each other? " This is a lie, the Jewish population in 1917 represented 15% of the population about 100,000. Only three years later, did arabs riot and kill 5 Jews and injure 211 in Jerusalem. Peaceful indeed! "Palestinians in the early 20th century owned 97.5% of the land, while Jews (native Palestinians and recent immigrants together) owned only 2.5% of the land? " Truly deserving of the question mark, I highly doubt this figure. "In the occupied West Bank there are "Jewish Roads" and "Non-Jewish Roads"? " Lie, their are roads for Israeli citizens and non-Israeli citizens. The reason for this was that attacks on Israeli cars was so common that Israeli government had to create this system. Before the terrorism, palestinians freely drove inbetween the "green line" and in many cases roads close to the border were being built with the thought that they be used by both populations. And o'yes Israeli arabs (who use the "jew" road) were also harmed in those attacks. "Israel issues national identify cards where the religion of the card holder is clearly shown in bold type? " I just looked at mine, it doesn't even have any state my religion. Yet again a lie. "Palestinians in the occupied West Bank and Gaza drive vehicles with license plates that have different coloring than the cars driven by Israeli settlers? " Duh!, they are not Israeli citizens. It's quite common that cars from different countries have different license plates. "Palestinians in the occupied West Bank and Gaza hold ID cards that are of different colors than the cards held by Israeli settlers? " Again they are not Israeli citizens. Are you telling me the Mexican ID cards are exact copies of the US version?
42. to 38 part 2
(05.15.05)
"Just prior to the 1948 war, Jews owned under 7% of Palestine's land, and to increase their share after the war, they passed the "Absentees' Law" which dispossessed the Palestinian majority land owners who later became "absent". What is even more tragic was the passage of an oxymoron law, called "Present Absentees' Law," which dispossessed the Palestinian-Israeli citizens who became internal refugees in Israel. It is worth noting that the internal Jewish refugees were not dispossessed as a result of this racist law. " Eminant domain, and when fleeing an area you give up the right to that property. Those arabs who stayed still own their property unless they falled into the condition of eminant domain. Also note that in many cases arabs have built on land that isn't theirs and then claimed racism when Israel tore down the buildings. "The U.S. funneled into the Israeli economy over 130 billion dollars, which is almost twice the amount devoted to rebuilding Western Europe after WW II! " I really doubt this figure, but as the article states Israel does it's job. Also did you take into account inflation and other factors? "Israel has nuclear weapons, and it was close to dropping one on Cairo in 1973? " I wish "Israeli soldiers use human shields in battle to minimize their casualties? " This lie comes from amnesty international after the battle of Jenin. Directly after the operation, and lies of a "massacre". amnesty international went into the area and asked palestinians (not even questioning if they had been involved in the fighting) and came to this conclusion. All this lie comes from are "witnesses" who are highly suspect and untrustworthy. "Israel killed over 20,000 Lebanese and Muslims (90% of whom are civilians) with American made and paid for weapons? " This number comes from the lebanese police force. Who at that time were under the control of Syria and hezbollah by that time. I don't think it's a stretch to say that they were lying. Also under the fourth geneva convention rules article 28-29 relieve Israel of any responsibility. For the fact that hezbollah and palestinian terrorists were hiding inbetween civilian populations, making them responsible for those civilians. Also it is known that the terrorists specifically used artillery in the middle of civilian areas to ensure that Israel would attack those areas or wouldn't be able to fire back. "Ariel Sharon is under indictment in Belgium for war crimes against Palestinian civilians? " I believe that this has been dropped, or mister Blair will also not be able to visit belguim.
43. Daniel Inouye
David Cohen ,   Stanford, CA, USA   (12.17.05)
Does anyone know when Daniel Inouye made those arguments about Israeli intelligence about Soviet arms? I would like to find the speech online, but I don't know the date or location.
44. Daniel Inouye
David Cohen ,   Stanford, CA, USA   (12.17.05)
If you know the source for the Daniel Inouye comments, please email me at smackdown5775@hotmail.com
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