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'Lebanon is responsible'
By Sharon Roffe Ofir and Hanan Greenberg
Published: 13.05.05, 21:20
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1. What about the Israelis daily violations???
Lebanese ,   Lebanon   (05.13.05)
: A miserable world that has no concern for other ppl and doesn’t respect but power ..
2. 09/05/2005
Libyan Guy ,   Italy   (05.13.05)
on that date an accidental sheel was fired into Lebanon, maybe because of that the very old Katyusha went in tilt and the same happend also !!! By the way Israel distroied lebanon in the past, so what is the problem with some rockets falling here and there !!!
3. Enough restraint - Respond & Stop Just Threatening To
Adina Kutnicki ,   NJ, US   (05.13.05)
If the IDF/IAF do not respond to these attacks, they will be declared impotent and absolute paper tigers. Is this what it has come down to in order to maintain the sham of "peace"? All sane people understand that in the Arab mentality they ONLY understand and respect strength. It is high time to deal with Hizbullah. Waiting won't make the monster go away. Wipe them out!
4. peace for israel
mousa ,   chicago   (05.13.05)
as an arab, I realy and truly beleive that israel has the right to live in peace and security within recognized borders. Arabs need to stop immagining vain things. Israel is strong and God is with Her. The Jews are God's people and the Lord will not abandon THEM.
5. In response to Adina Kutnicki
Abdullah ,   Kuwait   (05.13.05)
I agree with you that with "strength", Israel will be respected, but the question ism how much time does strength buy Israel? ONLY a full Israeli withdrawal from ALL occupied Arab lands since June 4th, 1967 war would buy Israel a CHANCE of a long lasting peace with the Arabs, and that is a fact that every sane Israeli and Arab recognize but until it is implemented the current cycle of violence, attacks and counter attacks and bullying will go on for time and time to come! Finally there are few possible options since it is clear that no one (Israel or the Arabs) can completely wipe out the other, one is for Israel to keep the status quo along with the current occupation and be in a war with just about all of its neighbors (I think has chosen this option and is rather very attached to it) or withdraw from all occupied Arab lands since June 4th, 1967 war and start to build a bridge between her and the Arabs!
6. Response to Adina and Abdullah
Itai ,   Haifa   (05.13.05)
Abdullah, I definitely support and agree with what you are saying. Although, I dont think that Israel should withdraw from ALL of the '67 lands (because those borders are indefensible) it is clear that there will not be any chance for real peace as long as Israel occupies the Palestinians land and doesnt allow them to have a real state. The Palestinians have much blame to accept for the conflict, but that doesnt mean that Israel shouldnt recognize their own faults and responsibilities. Adina, I agree that Israel should respond forcefully to Hezbollah (and is fully justified in doing so) but its not helpful to use racist generalizations about the "Arabs." People use similar generalizations about Israeli's and Jews and therefore we should know of all people its wrong to paint all Arabs with the same brush. While we should fight groups like Hezbollah with all our strength, we (and this goes for all of the people in the mideast) have to realize that we are neighbors and have to live together. We cant just wipeout our enemies.
7. To Itai & Abdullah.THE "PEACE" GIVEN TO SUDAN'S CHRISTIANS
Linda Rivera ,   New York   (05.14.05)
Sudan's jihad has left 2.5 million Christians dead. What was their crime? They did not follow Muhammed. Hundreds of thousands of Christians have been taken for slaves by Sudan's Muslims. Why are they subjected to horrific satanic abuse? They do not follow Muhammed. In the Bible Jesus Christ was asked (Matthew 22) "Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?" Jesus answered from the Hebrew Bible, Deuteronomy 6: "Hear O Israel! The L-ORD is our G-D, the L-RD is One! You shall love the L-ORD your G-D with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your might." (it is the very essence of Judaism). Matthew 22 "This is the great and foremost commandment. The second is, you shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets." This is what true Christians believe. This is why Christians have been murdered and and enslaved in Sudan. Total allegience to G-D and not man is unacceptable to many. It is the number one reason why Jews are hated and have been put to death for thousands of years. Do the politically correct demand that the Christian slaves are set free? No! The hypocrites direct their anger at Jews living on their TINY sliver of land that is Israel.
8. Israel should pull back to Pre June 6th 1967 borders
Sal Azam ,   Chicago, USA   (05.14.05)
The higher you fly the harder you fall. Sharon was flying very high but now knows that United States is not the same obedient United States that Sharon boasted about. He along with his supporters will remain defiant and aggressive till they meet decisive force. Israel always violated Lebanese air space and had invaded Labanon in 1982 killing thousands of people. Thank God the Israeli mafia is coming to its end and will fall very soon. Israel has to be careful with Lebanon. Hizbullah is their and it will fix Israel if it tried to do any adventure. The best that sharon can do is to violate its air space and carry out terrorist attacks in lebanon to make Christians and Muslims fight. Well, they along with the significant segment of Jews are united against Israeli atrocities. Zionism and Israeli espionage will fall with out making any noise outside Israel.
9. Itai & Abdullah:THERE NEVER WAS AN ARAB COUNTRY OF PALESTINE
Linda Rivera ,   New York   (05.14.05)
Jerusalem was NEVER the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity. JERUSALEM IS MENTIONED OVER 800 TIMES IN THE BIBLE, NOT ONCE IN THE KORAN. Haj Amin, Jerusalem's Muslim religious leader travelled to Europe and spent the war years helping Hitler murder Europe's Jews. Around 1948, Arabs VIOLENTLY ETHNICALLY CLEANSED ONE MILLION JEWS FROM ARAB COUNTRIES. Arab governments seized the land, homes, bank accounts, businesses and assets of the Jews. Most Jewish refugees fled to Israel. THERE MUST NOW BE A JUST SETTLEMENT FOR THE JEWISH REFUGEES AND THEIR DESCENDANTS! In 1948, Egypt invaded Gaza and ethnically cleansed ALL Jews. In 1948, Jordan invaded Judea-Samaria (West Bank) and Jewish east Jerusalem and ethnically cleansed ALL Jews. Opposing G-D, Jordan destroyed 58 synagogues in Jerusalem. In 1967 when Israel won Islam's war of aggression against it, Jews returned to the areas of their homeland they had been ethnically cleansed from for 19 years. Islamofascists and their supporters deceitfully call this return "occupation". Under international law, territories are considered "occupied" only when taken in an act of aggression which does not apply to Israel. Judea, Samaria and Gaza are not 'occupied territories' according to international law because they were not taken from any foreign sovereign. Arabs FIRST took the name "Palestinians" in 1967. Arafat was the FIRST leader of this NEW PEOPLE. Before 1948 Jews were known as Palestinians! After Jews miraculously transformed desert and swamps into rich agricultural land, large numbers of Arabs came from Arab countries for jobs from Jews. The fact that the overwhelm ing majority of Arabs had resided only briefly in Palestine is attested to by the special UN decree: Any Arab who had resided in Palestine for only 2 years before 1948, and then left, would be considered a refugee, and so would his descendants!!! The religious war against Jews and Christians never ends. In their rage at Israel's G-D, Islamofascists desecrate and destroy Jewish and Christian holy sites - IDF soldiers were murdered at Joseph's Tomb. The Tomb destroyed. BIBLES CONTAINING THE LAWS G-D GAVE TO MOSES WERE BURNT. Joseph is the beloved Bible hero of Jews and Christians. In the Islamic invasion and desecration of Jesus Christ' birthplace, Church of Nativity, BIBLES WERE TORN UP FOR TOILET PAPER. At Judaism's holiest site, The Temple Mount, Muslims have MASSIVELY desecrated and destroyed. Jewish Second Temple period structures of beautiful rooms and halls with arches and pillars have been changed or destroyed. The Temple Mount is the holiest place on earth for Jews and Bible believing Christians. Israel-cherished Holy Land of Jews and Christians is global jihad's greatest prize.
10. Israel is never responsible for any thing!
Jack Murphy ,   Miami, FL   (05.14.05)
Despite all the wars that Israel launched, the 10,000s of people it killed, and its constant viloations of UN resolutions and human rights, Israel is never responsible for any thing and was never held accountable for any thing.
11. In response to Linda Rivera!
Abdullah ,   Kuwait   (05.14.05)
Dear Linda, I cannot agree with you more about the atrocities that were committed by the so called Muslims to Christians in Sudan, I am very ashamed to what they have done and I do recognize such behaviors and actions as terrorist actions and I call upon Allah to punish them for the crimes they have committed against their fellow human beings regardless of color, religion or sect! I also care less about what is your interpretations of what our Holly Quran said or how many times it mentioned Jerusalem, and I reject the idea of basing fate of a Holy City that is holly equally to all three major religions (Judaism, Christianity, and Islam) on one Holly book! What I said in my earlier post, was the only possible and realistic option to having peace between the two people and I know that it is hard on both sides and WILL require painful concessions on both sides, but that is the true fact and both people must be brave enough to achieve it! We can spend days and days talking about what the Holly Bible, the Holly Torah, or the Holly Quran, said or mentioned regarding the holly land, Jerusalem…etc. But that won’t be a realistic thing to do in a 21st century, would it? All people, Jews or non Jews, have an equal right to their holly lands, and no power in the world would be strong enough to impose any other option for too long, both Jews and non-Jews who reside in the holly land have a right to live in a country of their choosing with full sovereignty, Israel and a meaningful Palestine living side by side, sharing holly land evenly just so people from both sides will lose the urge to fighting each other and live in peace. Salam, Shalom, Peace!
12. Israel is responsible
Sal Azam ,   Chicago, USA   (05.14.05)
Israeli invaded Lebanon, Israel was occupying south Lebanon till it was forced out from it in 1999. Israel still is occupying Golan Heights, East Jerusalem, Gaza and the West Bank which has been condemned by the world. Israel is violating Labanese air space daily without any provocation. It provokes the Labanese and then calls their response a violation and provocation. Israel is doomed under Ariel Sharon
13.  to #10---
ozy ,   deep south   (05.14.05)
jack ,you really don't know jack s*** about this conflict ,now do you?
14. In response to Abdullah from Kuwait
Eric ,   New York   (06.06.05)
In your response to Linda, you breezed right over some very important and accurate points that she made. What about the fact that The Bible constantly refers to Israel as the holy land of the Jews, but is not even mentioned in the Koran? Is that not noteworthy? I find it fascinating. Also, why do you refer to Israel as "occupied lands" when it was taken from the Jews by Arabs? Who is the occupier? And why are Muslims who commit mass murder and atrocities against Christians "So called" Muslims? Does the Koran not say that it is OK to deal with people who are against Allah with force? Finally, I think you are right and everyone would agree that it would be best if we could all live together side by side in peace. But that is difficult when one group is on record for saying that they want to "Drive the other into the sea."
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