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Israeli killed in West Bank ambush
By Hanan Greenberg and Sharon Roffe Ofir
Published: 20.06.05, 15:40
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1. Let Peres know
jk ,   israel   (06.20.05)
Shimon Peres said last week that Israel has nothing to fear about giving the Palestinians guns. Perhaps Peres should tell this family that guns don't kill. Peres has absolutely no sense of morality or connection to reality.
2. TO JK
Peres ,   Keneset   (06.20.05)
Peres knows the truth, He knows very well about the lies of the zionist pioneers ,which cause a massive destruction for palestine ans its peopel. He knows very well about the facts of DEIR YASSEEN and other 450 palestinians villages which has been destoyed, and he knows more than you do JK. Sooner or later PALESTINE WILL BE FREE..
3. Palestine, Texas IS Free: And Will Remain Free
(06.20.05)
They'll never let those whack-job jihadis take over.
4. The terrorist pigs are not humans
Bunnie Meyer ,   Santa Monica, CA, US   (06.20.05)
The terrorist pigs are not humans and will never stop trying to kill Jews no matter what Israel gives them. Sharon has become a terrorist stooge trying to give away Israel to please george bush and his oil buddies. And, perhaps it was a rotten apple that killed Rabin, not a gun, or was Peres jjust forgetful of that event?
5. To 2
(06.20.05)
How can something be "free" if it never existed beforehand.
6. to No. 5 and the rest of Zionists
Dr. Know it all ,   Palestine   (06.20.05)
if palestine and palestinians never existed before ( i assume they do not know!) whom are you fighting now in Baqa Al Sharqiya?
7. To 6
(06.20.05)
Please answer these questions When was it founded and by whom? What were its borders? What was its capital? What were its major cities? What constituted the basis of its economy? What was its form of government? Can you name at least one Palestinian leader before Arafat? Was Palestine ever recognized by a country whose existence, at that time or now, leaves no room for interpretation? What was the language of the country of Palestine? What was the prevalent religion of the country of Palestine? What was the name of its currency? Choose any date in history and tell what was the approximate exchange rate of the Palestinian monetary unit against the US dollar, German mark, GB pound, Japanese yen, or Chinese yuan on that date. Have they left any artifacts behind? Do you know of a library where one could find a work of Palestinian literature produced before 1967? And, finally, since there is no such country today, what caused its demise and when did it occur? Also could you explain these http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/washingtonpost_historical/233001192.html?did=233001192&FMT=ABS&FMTS=AI&date=Apr+3%2C+1938&author=&desc=Products+of+Palestinian+Art+Will+Be+Shown+at+Jewish+Center http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/washingtonpost_historical/216370632.html?did=216370632&FMT=ABS&FMTS=AI&date=Feb+29%2C+1940&author=&desc=Palestinians+in+France Why does this one call 'palestinians' beduoins http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/washingtonpost_historical/233605672.html?did=233605672&FMT=ABS&FMTS=AI&date=Sep+2%2C+1929&author=&desc=BEDOUINS+CONTINUE+ATTACKS+ON+JEWS Why do they call 'palestinians' arab nationalists? http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/washingtonpost_historical/247692552.html?did=247692552&FMT=ABS&FMTS=AI&date=Sep+6%2C+1936&author=&desc=British+Troops+To+Palestinc. http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/nytimes/104360741.html?did=104360741&FMT=ABS&FMTS=AI&date=Nov+1%2C+1947&author=&desc=PALESTINIAN+COUPLE+ENROLLS+AT+FORDHAM In 1897 no mention of a state called "palestine" It's only talked about as a region http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/nytimes/101107956.html?did=101107956&FMT=ABS&FMTS=AI&date=Aug+15%2C+1897&author=&desc=THE+JEWISH+STATE+IDEA PLEASE EXPLAIN
8. to # 7
the doctor ,   Nablus-West Bank   (06.20.05)
In 1897 no mention of a state called "palestine" in light of your logic, there were't a state called "Israel" either!!!! so what is your point?
9. To 8
(06.20.05)
Besides dodging all the questions, and missing the point. The fact was that in 1897 there was no state called "palestine" and niether was their before that. The point was to refute # 6's post. Now two things I'd like you to answer the questions And secondly, their was a state called Israel in the area beforehand.
10. PALESTINE EXISTED
(06.20.05)
look at national geographics. I know someone wwith a Palestine passport- Jerusalem, Palestine it says- 1927.. ISRAEl did not exist- it was a dismantled country about 2000 years ago.
11. To 10
(06.20.05)
Then you are talking about the mandate of palestine. The mandate is not a country, it's was a british ruled territory. My grandfather had a mandate passport. That passport was a british mandate passport which said "palestine". The reason being that the area was called palestine.
12. To 10
(06.20.05)
In addendum, it's simply a regional passport the british gave to ensure that those people could travel. It's like how the british would do the same for someone in an Ugandan colony. He would have a passport that said "Unganda" even though their was no country. Just a mandate or colony.
13. To 10
(06.20.05)
If "palestine" existed answer two things 1. What brought about it's destruction? 2. Which countries recognized it?
14. to 11
(06.20.05)
Mandate or not, people lived there- with lives, children ,farms -HOPE. Zimbabwe was once called Rodhesia. But that doesnt change the fact that AFRICANS, black people lived there- this is the most disturbing part of Israel's new history- they seem to want to eradicate a WHOLE group of people like they never existed. and there are photos,maps,documents. www.palestineremembered.com
15. OUR EXPLANATION
Human Being ,   Gaza   (06.20.05)
To all of you who deny history or try to change history to their favor. 1. I have my father's Palestinian passport and it is written in three languages Arabic, Hebrew and English. The cover page says "Government of Palestine". Issued from Jerusalem. 2. I have some palestinain currency dated 1929, 1928 and 1927 and also written in three languages. 3. The identification card also says "Government of Palestine" written in three languages. 4. All the Palestinians who were cleansed from their homes still have the homes door keys. 5. Who build the mosques and the castles all over Palestine? (Jaffa, Acker, Haifa, Assdood (Ashdood), Al Majdel (Ashkeylon) ECT… Finally your upset about someone got killed in the west bank where he was not suppose to be. What about the hundreds who they were in their homes and were killed by your GREAT IDF. Who is the innocent in this situation? This will show you more …… and will show all your lies .... http://www.palestineremembered.com/
16. To 14 & 15
(06.20.05)
14: http://netwmd.com/articles/article994.html Stop blaming the Jews for a war they did not start, and for the fact that arabs in the area left because of that war. 15: 1. Does it also state on th e document "from her/his majesty". Also why is it in English/Hebrew/Arabic? If this were a "palestinian" state" wouldn't it make sense for it to be in Arabic and English only? 2. What is the currency called? And yet again why is it in three languages? 3. Ofcourse it would say that it's the british mandate, governing of palestine. Yet again why in three languages? 4. A lot of holocaust survivors still have theirs whats your point? 5. Who built the synagogues in Jericho, Nablus, Hebron, and Jerusalem? (pre-1920's) Finally showing an ultra bias webiste isn't exactly a great way of proof. Now answer all the questions, and the newspaper headlines
17. How much longer?
(06.20.05)
In the past days, 2 precious Israelis have been murdered by terrorists - Why is nothing being done? Also... anyone who talks about a Palestinian state goes against documented history and any rational Historian.. I wonder why, when Egypt and Jordan had control of Yesha, no one ever heard of Palestinians....
18. Female suicide bomber
Rankl ,   Jerusalem   (06.20.05)
If the story about that woman is true one can wonder if Benny Morris is not right when he asserts that Palestinians are an insane people, mentally sick. One can wonder also if this female mass killer can still be called a human being.
19. Learn from History
Human being ,   Gaza   (06.20.05)
This web site is done by the sons and daughters of the Israeli occupation victims. You may search it and you will find the history of each village was cleansed the Jewish terrorist organizations. http://www.palestineremembered.com/
20. Non-security barrier
accessol ,   Spelthorne, England   (06.20.05)
If proof were needed that the 'security barrier' is all about grabbing more Palestinian land and nothing about Israel's security you only have to look at the photo of the burnt-out settler vehicle lying wrecked , like Israel's imperial dreams, in front of that great architectural wonder of the world. The only way to stop such incidents is to get right out of the occupied territories; walls will never protect an ill-conceived and immoral occupation.
21. To 19 & 20
(06.20.05)
Ah yes pulling out a propaganda site. But let me ask you what about the old Jewish neighborhoods of Hebron, Nablus, Jericho, and others And what about Yad Mordechai, Nitzanim, Kfar Etzion and Kfar Darom. Oh it's ok to cleasne these areas of Jews. Regardless of the fact that they bought this territory, because... they are Jews. And accessol Fact of the matter it is not palestinian land. http://www.globalpolitician.com/articledes.asp?ID=665&cid=2&sid=1 At most it's disputed
22. to 16
Nablus 1   (06.20.05)
People build Mosqus, Churches, Synagougues and all kind of structures but that does not give ones the right to uproot cleanse, murder claiming that there was a Synagougue built there, this world will be in turmoil if your logic is adopted by other relegions, this is an extereme form of Chauvinism
23. To 19
(06.20.05)
Your site flat out lies, it tries to say Jes were planning population tranfer http://netwmd.com/articles/article994.html This site completely refutes the lie and propaganda distributed by your venomous site. Just one example "By omitting the opening sentence, Morris hides the fact that Herzl viewed Jewish settlement as beneficial to the indigenous population and that he did not conceive of the new Jewish entity as comprising this country in its entirety. This is further underscored by Herzl's confinement of the envisaged expropriation of private property to "the estates assigned to us"—another fact omitted by Morris. Any discussion of relocation was clearly limited to the specific lands assigned to the Jews, rather than to the entire territory. Had Herzl envisaged the mass expulsion of population, as claimed by Morris, there would have been no need to discuss its position in the Jewish entity. Morris further ignored context. There was no trace of a belief in transfer in either Herzl's famous political treatise, The Jewish State (1896), or his 1902 Zionist novel, Altneuland (Old-New Land).[18] Nor for this matter is there any allusion to "transfer" in Herzl's public writings, his private correspondence, his speeches, or his political and diplomatic discussions. Morris simply discards the canon of Herzl's life work in favor of a single, isolated quote. Most importantly, Herzl's diary entry makes no mention of either Arabs or Palestine, and for good reason. A careful reading of Herzl's diary entries for June 1895 reveals that, at the time, he did not consider Palestine to be the future site of Jewish resettlement but rather South America.[19] "I am assuming that we shall go to Argentina," Herzl recorded in his diary on June 13. In his view, South America "would have a lot in its favor on account of its distance from militarized and seedy Europe … If we are in South America, the establishment of our State will not come to Europe's notice for a considerable period of time."[20] Indeed, Herzl's diary entries during the same month illustrate that he conceived all political and diplomatic activities for the creation of the future Jewish state, including the question of the land and its settlement, in the Latin American context. "Should we go to South America," Herzl wrote on June 9, "our first state treaties will have to be with South American republics. We shall grant them loans in return for territorial privileges and guarantees." Four days later he wrote, "Through us and with us, an unprecedented commercial prosperity will come to South America."[21]"
24. response to all
Sheryl ,   Jerusalem. Israel   (06.21.05)
The venemous bickering in these talkbacks is disheartening. Haven't we all said enough already about who was here first, to whom the land belongs, what it has been called, etc.? What matters now simply is that each side accept the other's right to exist as an independent state. Israel has done what many doubted was possible--created a democratic Jewish state in its historical homeland. Now its the Palestinians turn to follow suit.
25. To 22
(06.21.05)
Thank you for proving a point That a mosque could be built very quickly, and does not show that arabs were in that area or had the right to claim that area simply because they built those mosques.
26. To 25
Nablus 1   (06.21.05)
This is your logic, the next thing you will claim is euorope, all of Asia and even the whole world for the fact that a Synagougue was built there, please get out of your extreme non sense dreams will you Salam
27. To 26
(06.21.05)
Yet magically you still dodge all my questions and refuse to have any answers to them. Except to go on another tirade on something else.
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