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IDF objector sentenced to 56 days
By Hanan Greenberg
Published: 28.06.05, 18:33
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1. Punishment
(06.28.05)
Give him maximum punishment
2. Way to go!!!!
Abber ,   Israel   (06.28.05)
Kol Hakoved to your son!!! I too am very very proud of him!!!!
3. To NY
(06.28.05)
take your son and go back to New York.
4. Surprised?
Sam ,   Tzfat   (06.28.05)
Well, who expects a fair trial in the Sharon dictatorship?
5. Settler mentality: only Jews have human rights
accessol ,   Spelthorne, England   (06.28.05)
"“He saw officers beating Jews and couldn’t take it.”" Yeah that is just too much for a settler to take ; you can do what you like to unarmed and defenceless Palestinian men, women and children, who cares; but beating holy Jewish settlers, that we can't have, that is simply ***going*** ***too*** ***far !
6. Accessol, you don't get it apparently
Shai ,   Israel   (06.28.05)
Since our citizens' Army is not a group of paid mercenaries willing to serve any leader who pays the right price, and since we have no place to go if the government's gambit fails and the Arabs succeed in pushing us into the sea, we are not anxious to be fooled or to lose our lives repairing Sharon's mistakes. It is the opinion of the vast majority of Israelis after the Arafada and the failed promise of Abu Mazen's administration that the Palestinians and their supporters will never be satisfied with anything we can offer that WE can LITERALLY live with. It's natural in this context that the soldiers would be skeptical about the alleged higher purpose served by the very low acts Sharon has called upon us to do, and from that ambivalence arises the refusal to carry out Sharon's orders. I think that Palestinians have a lot of soul searching to do (which of course they won't do, since there is no fault Palestinians have that in their eyes Israelis can't be faulted for better) regarding how Sharon lost his slim and manipulated mandate for this withdrawal. You have only yourselves to blame (with what you write, accessol, you've got your own share in the perfidy) for the nearly complete loss of faith Israelis now have for a negotiated settlement. Regarding "unarmed and defenceless Palestinian men, women and children"., tell you what - you Palestinians use the ample weapons you have (we stupidly gave them to you under the Oslo agreement) to disarm the terrorists and your "unarmed and defenseless Palestinian men, women and children" won't have anything to worry about from Israelis, and more importantly, from your own gaggle of paramilitary terrorist organizations. In the meantime, I'm too busy burying my own "poor and defenseless" to worry about your "poor and defenseless", and ensuring my "million survivors" while you manufacture your "million martyrs". Clean up your own house before you start throwing stones at mine.
7. Punishment
Michael ,   Haifa   (06.28.05)
He deserves, as the minimum punishment, at least the same as the siruvnikim from the Left
8. Accessol, better than Palestininians who try to murder Jews
David Landman ,   Natick, USA   (06.28.05)
This is Eretz Yisrael. Stolen, by Jordan and Egypt. Not a single Jewish village remained in Judea and Samaria and Gaza after the land was occupied by Egypt and Jordan/Palestine. Two states, not three. Jordanian/Palestinian Federation and Israel with the peace fence to divide and hundreds of years of peace will come, just like the Great Wall of China and no Jews should have to leave there homes again. 1 million Jewish refugees caused by Arabs states is enough.
9. To 8
Nablus 1   (06.28.05)
What Jewish villages are you talking about, there was no jewish villages there or is this another lie of many created by the zionist, stop lying please the days are numbered for the racist ideology of zionism and the world will be free again, the air will be clean, and Palestine will be free
10. good
(06.28.05)
Really he shoul get more but that is the maximum
11. 5 acessol
USA-   (06.28.05)
I agree with you. What , this kid draws the line at killing and abusing, at 'jews" / you know cause hes' a jew? What the heck are we, the non jews on the planet suppossed to think if JEWS will be willing to kill little arab children etc. without a flinch of consciesness, but a big fat land thief with a RIFLE and a beard he wont even PUSH because hes a JEW? Now, dont you jewish people see why jews are considered RACIST?
12. 12 soldiers in one platoon of 60-20%..
akiva ,   chicago   (06.28.05)
refusal or discontent. Percentages will indeed be higher later, if all gets to that point. This will not happen without a complete mutiny. Likud rebels need to offer Sharon amnesty for him and his son on Greek Island island affair if he resigns and gives up on the expulsion now
13. After 56 days in jail.
(06.28.05)
After 56 days in jail he must clean toilets for the rest of his service.
14. #13-He's seen worse horrors......
akiva ,   chicago   (06.28.05)
This hero has seen his friends slaughtered by animals and a government that does nothing about it. Will time in a Stalinist jail change this? He represents the best of the nation that will save us all.
15. Leave Chicago
(06.28.05)
Akiva why don`t you leave Chicago and come here to help your freinds the heroes
16. Herzl, Trumpledor, Jabotinsky, Wingate and now... Beiber.
accessol ,   Spelthorne, England   (06.28.05)
Avi Beiber, this reluctant corporal, never seems to close his mouth; every shot shows him haranguing all and sundry on his poor troubled conscience which only allows the beating of non-Jews. Does he I wonder close his trap whilst he sleeps, or as a true shomer yisroel does he never close his eyes as well as his mouth? I wonder if he would make an exception now and then and perhaps allow just a tiny little bit of beating for left-wing peaceniks and their friends? You know, those guys who always make a fuss when the odd Palestinian house or two is razed to the ground. And what about the press, surely his conscience wouldn't object to one or two troublesome Haaretz reporters getting a little punch in the groin to remind them who's running the country these days?
17. I'm going 15, what's your excuse?
AKIVA ,   CHICAGO   (06.28.05)
Golus been too good to you?
18. THE JIHAD AGAINST ISRAEL A PART OF GLOBAL JIHAD
Linda Rivera ,   New York   (06.28.05)
In Islam, ALL non-Muslim countries are regarded as the house of war to be conquered for Islam. israelnationalnews.com, Jan 10 2005 - Israel Radio's morning newsmagazine reported PA leader, Abbas, appeared the night before and declared before cheering crowds, the "little jihad had ended, and now THE BIG JIHAD IS BEGINNING." The crowd responded, "A Million Shahids Marching to Jerusalem!" Colluding with Egypt, the Palestinian Authority have smuggled in anti-tank missiles and anti-aircraft shoulder-fired missiles that can take down commercial jets. Abbas was Arafat's partner for over 40 years. The peace process was explained by Arafat on Jordanian TV shortly after Oslo. The PLO strategy adopted in 1974: "Since we cannot defeat Israel in war, we do his in stages. We take any and every territory we can of Palestine, and establish sovereignty there, and we use it as a springboard to take more. When the time comes, WE CAN GET THE ARAB NATIONS TO JOIN US FOR THE FINAL BLOW AGAINST ISRAEL." Terror master, "Palestinian" Minister Mohammed Dahlan, respected by Israel's leaders, is in charge of coordinating the withdrawl with Israel. Dahlan is responsible for the bomb attack on the Israeli school bus in November 2000 in which two school teachers and three children from the Cohen family lost their legs. frontpagemag.com June 28 2005 'The next intifada', David Bedein. "Abbas warns of renewed violence should a Palestinian state fail to be established in all areas of West Bank, Gaza Strip and eastern Jerusalem" Muslims are demanding that sacred Biblical Holy Land and Biblical holy places are given to Islam. In 1922, Arabs were given 80% of Palestine. The area became Jordan, giving the Arabs their Arab Palestinian state. It was ethnically cleansed of Jews. In 1948, Egypt invaded Gaza and ethnically cleansed ALL Jews. In 1948, Jordan invaded Judea-Samaria (West Bank) and east Jerusalem and ethnically cleansed ALL Jews. Jordan, opposing Israel's G-D, DESTROYED 58 synagogues in Jerusalem. The religious war against Israel's G-D - Creator of the universe, Jews and Christians is never-ending. Muslims murdered IDF soldiers at Joseph's tomb. With great hatred and violence Muslim mobs destroyed the Tomb. Joseph is the beloved Bible hero of Jews and Christians. In the Islamic invasion and filthy desecration of Jesus Christ' birthplace, Church of Nativity, Muslims tore up Bibles for toilet paper. JERUSALEM IS MENTIONED OVER 800 TIMES IN THE BIBLE, not once in the Koran. The One great G-D designated the Temple Mount to the Jews for His worship and prayer only. The Muslims have turned the HOLIEST PLACE ON EARTH into a place of violence. Muslims on the Temple Mount have repeatedly engaged in massive rock throwing at Jews. 2 Chronicles 3:1 "Then Solomon began to build the house of the L-RD in Jerusalem on Mount Moriah, where the L-RD had appeared to his father David" 2 Chronicles 2:4 "Behold, I am about to build a house for the name of the L-RD my G-D, dedicating it to Him, to burn fragrant incense before Him and to set out the showbread continually...on sabbaths and on new moons and on the appointed feasts of the L-RD our G-D, this being required forever in Israel." At the Temple Mount, Islamofascists seek to stop Jews from obeying G-D-Ruler of the universe. In 1967, it was G-D who returned Jewish land and holy places to the Jews. Israel's leaders gave control of the Jewish land and holy places to Muslims. The ingratitude and rebellion towards G-D of Israel's leaders has brought down great suffering, death and destruction upon Israel's Jews.
19. This is so evil
Faith ,   USA   (06.28.05)
How dare they punish this man for being against beating up and expelling Jews from their own land. I have been reading the comments on this site for a little while now and I find them to be shocking and deeply sad. I can't figure out if you people are just buying into the deception and lies or if you just support this great evil that is being done to the Jews. All the Jews want is to live safely in their own homes on their own land. The Jews do not go to Arab schools, hospitals, restaurants, and so on, with a bomb attached to themselves, and try to murder and injure as many people as possible. The Jews aren't like that. This is not an opinion, this is simply the truth. Why you people and the rest of the world cannot comprehend the truth is beyond me. Why is this?
20. weak soul
edward ,   las vegas   (06.28.05)
this "man", if he has a soul, is a very weak man.
21. to 19
Israeli   (06.29.05)
dont be putoff by some of the trash people here and their trash comments. They hide behind western nics but theyre hate and loathing of Israel and Jews make it clear theyre mostly your basic arabs who like to swipe coz thats all they can do, in battle against soldiers not woman and children they run like the collective cowards they all are. As for this soldier Kol Hakavod you are a hero to Am Yisrael. When dictatorship and tyrants reign the place of good and just people are in jails. Think about that.
22. To no19
Birdi ,   Israels   (06.29.05)
They punished this soldier cos he disobeyed a command,dont forget he is in the IDF & not at play school.
23. #18 Correction - Please excuse my error!
Linda Rivera ,   New York   (06.29.05)
The paragraph should have read: Mohammed Dahlan is responsible for the bomb attack on the Israeli school bus in November 2000 in which two school teachers were MURDERED and three children from the Cohen family lost their legs. It is EXTREMELY ABNORMAL for a nation's leaders to give away their own land to implacable enemies. To deliberately give a massive and strategic victory to the enemy It endangers ALL Israel.
24. Avi's Commander Shouild Be Arrested
Youngster ,   SHILO   (06.30.05)
IDF's Ethical Code, which states, "An IDF soldier will not use his force or weapon against a non-combatant population." Which mean's that Avi was following the actual Ethical Code of the IDF ! Maybe his Commander, should be brought up on charges for violating the IDF's Ethical Code !!! Or does this Ethical Code only apply to IDF when dealing with Arabs ????
25. To no 24
Birdi ,   Israel   (06.30.05)
Where does it say Avi was using his fire arm????????????????
26. to 16
IG ,   Amsterdam,Holland   (07.05.05)
Herzl, Trumpeldor, Jabotinsky, Wingate and now .... Beiber. I think he can be proud to be part of this list of great men. I also think he should be in this list of great names.
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