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Violence erupts at Gay Pride Parade
By Doron Sheffer and Efrat Weiss
Published: 30.06.05, 23:51
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31. I was there
True Zionist ,   Jerusalem   (07.01.05)
I was there and it was great seeing so many religious people in the parade. Those people who were yelling at us are neither religious nor people. To me their shouts were more like backround noise, I heard them yelling, but I did not listen. I was amazed at all the good people of Jerusalem who came out in their thousands to support a good and productive Jerusalem.
32. nyc girl
joe ,   nyc   (07.01.05)
his right stay out of israel
33. Everyday is a heterosexual parade
Daniel ,   San Francisco, USA   (07.01.05)
The bigots screech "How would you like it if there was a heterosexual parade?" Would be fine with me. I love all sorts of parades. The fact is that no one is spitting on, abusing or murdering heterosexual people for daring to exist and be open about their inherent sexual orientation. They wed and celebrate in the open & hold hands in the street. One day a year for gay people to celebrate is not asking too much! It is by far too little. Gays should be allowed to be who they are every day under no threat from religious fundamentalist hatemongers. The best parades are those where everyone comes together to have fun. Hating and seeking to silence those who are different is no parade at all. It's pathetic and cowardly.
34. Heishiv et chamati
Pinchas Ben Elazar ,   USA   (07.01.05)
Zimri's crime was also victimless. Yet it was offensive to God and a grave sin. The "vast majority" of the Jewish people no doubt sided with him at the time (that's for #8). They would have been destroyed by plague had it not been for Pinchas who saved them with his "extremist" action. Thank God there's still a Pinchas out there today to save us from the perversions that have become commonplace in our society.
35. it's amazing...
URI ,   ISRAEL   (07.01.05)
How come when someone, who happens to be religious, and breaks the law it becomes a headline??? while the thousands of disgusting crimes - rape, robbery, drugs, violence, etc - that are committed by the secular, Arab and Russian population are left unnoticed...
36. Too much hate speech
Micha Sloman ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (07.01.05)
As I read the talkback comments by readers I am appalled at the level of hate speech, name calling, stereotyping, and outright slander. Although homosexuality is prohibited by the Torah so is slander. Furthermore, we are commanded to love each other, to be kind and compassionate. Religious people should develop some kindness and understanding of Gay People. Similarly, Gays should stop stereotyping haredi Jews as fanatic extremists and facists. There is an unbelievable amount of hateful and unintelligent comments being thrown around by both sides. As we say in Australia, "lighten up!"
37. resonce to Daisy
(07.01.05)
You are full of hate!
38. Thats very sickish
abood ,   Gaga   (07.01.05)
Arab people most chaste in all world and this gay the worst in the world
39. the leftist israeli judges are the responsibles !
Eli ,   Jerusalem   (07.01.05)
The israeli pseudo-justice court has authorized this shameful and provative gay parade in the Holy city agaisnt the opinion of the Jerusalem ' s Mayor. The israeli ''justice'' is a bolshevik totalitarian organisation
40. To all the Homophobic Bigots
David ,   The Galil   (07.01.05)
We, the Jewish People, have been and are the most persecuted race in the history of this planet, exiled, skinned alive, butchered, exterminated and imprisoned, just be cause we are Jews. Now we persecute homosexuals just because they lead an alternative sexual preference. Those who hate gays on a Biblical point might like to read Leviticus Chapter 20 Verse 10 and you will see that Adultery also commands the death penalty. Get out your knives and kill half the planet! However, the Ten Commandments do not say "Thou shalt not sleep with a man" but they do command "The shalt not commit adultery". I would also remind the Homophobic community to look at the news and see how many child molesters, child rapists and wife beaters in Israel are "Observant Jews". I would also remind you that a wise man who was also a persecuted Jew in Roman Times said: "Let he who has not sinned cast the first stone". The crux of the matter is that Jews persecuting others is a disgrace and feeds the fire of anti-Semitism. In Russia today there is an attempt to brand Judaism as Racism and now you bigots are fan there fire! Kol HaKavod to Gay Pride. March on and demand your rights and the rights people to chose their lifestyle!
41. religious extremist
tony ,   paris france   (07.01.05)
Cher anthony,What more can I add You have hit the nail on the head .Also as a jewish male Ifeel that extremists in any religion is a disgrace to its people.And more,a thorn in the feet of "HUMANITY".
42. Lesbians and gays - Nachshon ben Aminadav
Jerusalemite   (07.01.05)
We all remember Nachshon ben Aminadav, who Chazal teach was jumped into the Red Sea, well before it parted, trusting completely in G-d. Lesbians, gays, bisexuals and transgendered people are modern day Nachshon ben Aminadavs. They are prepared to put their life in G-d's hands in order to further the religious values of pluralism, acceptance and peace between fellow men. Most of the people in yesterday's parade live in Jerusalem, work in Jerusalem, pray in Jerusalem and love their city. Why should they be banned from its streets? And yes, Gay Pride Parades happen in every city where there is a sizable community, e.g. in England alone there are about 15 different pride parades. As we all pray at the end of the Seder and Yom Kippur: Next Year in Jerusalem, at WorldPride 2006!
43. what rights?
tony ,   paris france   (07.01.05)
TRES chers yehudit and maccabee.Have'nt you both learn't any thing about life on this planet?And most of all what is written not only in the bible but in all the torah's all the corans in every book ever printed .The most pronounced words "LOVE "and "COMPASSION" are what people are searching for ,in order to make this planet a better place for all humanity to live in peace and respectability.and all you both can think of is to condemn a small community of gay men and woman who deserve the write to live and love as they please.SO PLEASE open up your eyes and your small constricted hearts and let a little bit of universal love in and maybe we will all be better off and better equipped to fight as one people, against what is truly the poisen in todays society,"THE LACK OF TOLERANCE AND EXTREMISIM.
44. Who's next: communists, gypsies, mentally ill, ...
accessol ,   Spelthorne, England   (07.01.05)
We know from where Israel gets much of its inspiration for dealing with the Palestinians so now its persecution of gays should come as no surprise.
45. WOW, I never thought foreigners are that stupid
Israel   (07.01.05)
There's a parade every year in Tel Aviv, they have a big ass one, probably one of the biggest in the world, dozens of trucks, hundreds of thousands of people. In Jerusalem people do not accept the way they act in the parade and the gays should accept it. If they wish to be tolerated by the majority they should have tolerance to its believes and they shouldn't impose their culture upon the majority if it doesn't wish to accept it. But I guess antisemites and anti-israelis will jump on any chance to bash Israel (ahm... accessol).
46. I am religious and I was there
straight Jew ,   Jerusalem Israel;   (07.01.05)
How can a religious Jew not support the right of all people to live as they choose? I went to the parade to support those who are a minority specifically bec ause as a religious Jew who lived in America, I know what it is like to be a minority. As someone whose mother fled the Nazis I recall the words of Pastor Martin Niem?ller First they came for the Jews and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew. Then they came for the Communists and I did not speak out because I was not a Communist. Then they came for the trade unionists and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me.
47. RE: Why do they have to make two parades?
Charles ,   Edmond, OK   (07.01.05)
It depends on the state, California in the US has several that go on. It comes down to population density. Besides, the parade in Tel Aviv is a world pride parade, and the one in Jerusalem is a local one.
48. accesol is mentally ill needs a consult
(07.01.05)
49. Left and right
Jordi Gomis ,   Catalunya, Spain?   (07.01.05)
Let's see...if i don´t like football on tv, rather than protesting and hurting those who look t the game, i will simply turn off my tv. But religious extremists are not just happy not doing what they believe on, but want the others to make the same. it´s amazing to see how all so called by themselves "rightists" pour their bilis in every post they make. European leftists a bad influence for israel? well, surely hitler, mussolini and franco were no leftists at all, i would rather say their mentality matched much more to this bunch of brainless extremists. It took to europeans 2000 years to realize about the mistakes and horrors we did to jewish people (and thou ppl would think just about the shoa, i would like to remember that in spain we -hard not to feel ashamed to be spanish- expelled all jews from their own country or forced them to convert...everythng leaded by christian fanatics)...and israel, and specially those extremists seem to do their utmost to forget 5000 years of their history. In europe, the ones hurting and beating gays are the ones wearing svastikas on their arms, the same ones that think that jews are the demon. You, fanatic relgius, are nothing else but boneheads...trying to play god cos he doesn´t answer your prayers at all...and while all this gays and lesbians have been working hard to pay taxes and allow u to live the way u do, u don´t even know how to say thanks. Please, u extremists...don´t put the name of god in here, cos i am sure he´s not that happy with all of you and your actions...love for israel and jews...a hetero goy from barcelona.
50. Being Gay Is Nothing To Be Proud Of
Jerusalemite ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (07.01.05)
And DEFINTELY nothing to celebrate. Seek psychiatric help.
51. True, HITLER hated Gays
(07.01.05)
The extremeists jews have this in common with him.
52. why is it ok for jews to be bigots
(07.01.05)
and no one else- part of the jews holocaust stories are that Hitler killed homos, JEWS and gypsies- undesirables- and this was bIG nono. but JEWS can openly spit at homos in Israel and Jews think its cool. I dont get it.
53. It's 'ok' for jews to be bigots
KJ ,   NYC, US   (07.02.05)
Because there's a finally a place where Jews are a majority, and they can forget what being a minority is like, becuase the easiest way to feel better about one's self is to put someone down, because half a century is apparently enough to forget that the Holocaust was justified by the same resoning they're using against gays, and that gays were there in the camps ( but unlike Jews were used for medical experimentation before being gassed or worked to death), because they can claim that G-d is on their side and forget that one is first responsible for his own actions and only then for those of others, because gays are, and always have been a convenient target for hate, and even though gays and Jews have survived the scourges of the Romans, the Inquisition and the Nazi's together, it's now OK for Jews to hate and be bigots, because they're now in majority and the can. So much for being G-d's people.
54. ONE JEW COMMITTED ACT-ENTIRE RELIGIOUS COMMUNITY VILIFIED
Linda Rivera ,   New York   (07.02.05)
Jerusalem is the HOLIEST city on earth. The Temple Mount the HOLIEST place on earth - unique in the universe. ONE Jew attacked other human beings and this is being used to incite hatred for the ENTIRE Jewish religious community. The Jew-haters are using this incident of ONE Jew to vilify and incite hatred for ALL Jews.
55. #50
tony ,   paris france   (07.02.05)
why do people with such broad minds even bother to write.Yousay being gay is nothing to be proud of,well I have a little secret for you .One does not choose to be gay In fact every one is a "little" bit on the bi- side it's just later as one grows upnature takes it's course and its mother nature that decides.SO may be she decided that you should not be one of the lucky one's and voila ,she made you straight ?Why should'nt one beproud of being of being gay .Gay people are very nice and friendly people open to others like to have fun and i'm sure are VERY proud of being who they are.Does being different mean instant need of psyciatric help,well then YOU who are different from them,should'nt you need psyciatric help?You are even to ashamed to sign your comments with your true name.LECHAIM and may you never know indifference,because then you will most probably need psyc help.
56. #4&#5
tony ,   paris france   (07.02.05)
Please yehudit and macabee we all like to talk and discuss certain subjects ,but it's better when you have something intelligent to say.Your seichels have been so screwedup that you are incapable of seeing what really is important in to-day's society.Are you so glad to have been saved from the so called plague that your eyes and hearts have been shut down to all who are different in this world ,is there not enough suffering on this planet as well amonng the israeli's and the palestinians that you have to now attack the gay community,because of their sexual differences?I am also sure that you religous fanatics would not be where you are if it were not for the soldiers of the IDF who may even have a gay or two in the army.Why don't the likes of you serve the state of ISRAEL by defending it like those many """"""gays""""who you call "the plague"instead of criticising and wheeping crocodile tears.Please spare us your future comments.
57. I wonder why
American Curious ,   California, U.S.A.   (07.03.05)
I wonder why this is not all over the American news networks. About a month ago in Spain some Catholic lay people organized a rally that protested homosexual marriages in their country and we saw it all over the American media. Many T.V. commentarists bashed and vilified those demonstrators and their organizers, labeling them "intolerants", "homophobic", "bigots", "religious fanatics", etc. This was broadcasted on CNN, ABC, NBC, FOX, MSNBC, CBS, and even on Public Television. But here, just because this happened in Israel - no one dares to say anything. Go figure.
58. #57
K.D. ,   New York, USA   (07.03.05)
I think that's a fantastic point. Perhaps it's the 'walking on eggshells' point of view that most news networks take to dealing with Israeli issues, but I would think with this world-wide prejudice being brought out Israel's conflict with it would be no different than (as you say) Spain's. The parades are happening all over the world, movements against them should be documented and reported from all places where they occur. Clearly this is a bias of the media issue, rather than anything really related to the topic.
59. Homophobic Jews: Who do you think you are?
Enda Crowley ,   Dublin, Ireland.   (07.03.05)
To those Jews and Israelis who are thrilled by these stabbings and are disgustingly homophobic: just who do you think you are? Are you better than the Nazis? Tell me how is it ok for anyone to dislike, hate, hurt, maim, or kill a person who happens to be homosexual as well as a human being? You are human beings and also Jewish. I expect a higher standard from other human beings like yourselves. Or are you more animal than human? Nothing you say or do can be condoned. It is the worst piece of hypocrisy to blacken your faces at the gates of heaven, for you religious people. (I don't believe in God so heaven doesn't present itself to me). How can you justify your behaviour? If God exists, he cannot accept such behaviour. Abstract the situation from an afterlife and you're just a fascist majority with murderous intent with everything in common with Hitler's ilk.
60. 57, 58
(07.03.05)
I think many people are afraid to critisize jews because the ADL and Abe Foxman and many Jewish news media owners call everyone an Anti semtie so fast, that normal people would rather not touch the crimes of the Jews. I mean look what they tried to do to Mel Gibson, for making a movie based on the bible???? I for one am waiting for a brave politician to just call a spade and spade and if jews try to itimidate them by calling them names, anti-semite etc.- Who cares.
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