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Of arrogance and ignorance
By Eytan Bentsur
Published: 21.07.05, 16:12
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1. Give me a breatk!
(07.20.05)
You write: But Livingstone’s arrogance is matched only by his ignorance. Why do you think he is ignorant? Why should you lend him that rationalization for his Anti-Semitic rants?? He is neither arrogant nor ignorant. We are not talking about someone with a 5th grade education. He is an out in the open anti-Semite! Last week before his Parliament Blair gave a rather impassioned speech on terror. He mentioned every country and city in the world that has suffered terror attacks....BUT he of course did not mention Israel. IMAGNIE! Can you suggest he is ignorant thinking perhaps this so-called conflict as many term it is about land? I doubt it. What is true is that Britain is incredibly hostile to Israel. Until the leaders of Britain DEMAND the resignation of their Anti-Semitic Mayor, I will continue to lump them all together. Time to face the facts. Great Britain is more then ever before (even pre-Israel) a hostile state toward Israel while an appeasing state toward the Arab/Muslim world. G-d help them for certainly the last terror attack taught them nothing.
2. Churchill is rolling over in his grave
David Landman ,   Natick, USA   (07.20.05)
I guess his education and degrees were in how to fabricate the facts and blame the victims of murderers. Afterall, they only became murderers because there were other people around. It had nothing to do with the hatred and pleas to murder 'infidels' taught in so many Mosques around the world.
3. Very good article...
(07.20.05)
Eytan is a smart guy
4. Blair
Michael ,   Jerusalem   (07.20.05)
Contrary #1, though PM Blair shockingly ommitted Israel fom that list of countries, he has since taken stock and criticized and condemned Palestinian terrorism. See my KICblog for one of those instances. www.kicisrael.blogspot.com Michael
5. Ken
kristian hovborg ,   stockholm sweden   (07.20.05)
Ken Livingstone is not only anti-jews, he hates the Londoners.The only Londoners he values are the Muslim Londoners who voted for him.( they are a majority in Londonistan). The man is a traitror to the UK. I may be vilivied for this next comment.but not being a hypocrite... London being hit left me indifferent. The Londoners voted him as their Mayor, they get what they deserse. Kristian Hovborg. PS...LIvingstone and most Londoners applaud suicide bombing in Israel.
6. A Sad Day
Dennis Ybarra ,   San Francisco, USA   (07.21.05)
When the London bombings hit, I was very saddened and went to sign a condolence book at the British Consulate. But now I feel indifferent, and am hoping Livingstone does not express mainstream British thinking. Still we should at a minimum keep our tourist dollars out of the UK.
7. Eytam is inverting the facts
John ,   Los Anglos,Ca   (07.21.05)
I am very sorry on how Eytan manipulate the facts. Mr. Blair was totaly right in not metioning Israel as a state that face terror, simply because is Israel is the terrorist side of the equation.Defending your people and land is a holy right reserved to you under all rules.Israel is killing, destroying and humiliating Palestinian on daily basis if not on hourly babis and still claiming that Israel is threatened by Arabs. Iam sorry guys to say that all of u who support Eytam is really illeterate and only circulating within the Israeli Propoganda...
8. Rediculous article
Danial ,   France   (07.21.05)
Please do not mix up things.a 5 grade kid would know that what has happened in London is totally different than what is going on in Israel. I srael is occupying Palestinian land. I have Apalestinian friend, his father born in Haifa, and he has ever been able to visit his home. On the other hand , an idiot from Mosco will be granted Israeli citizenship at the airport...it is really rediculous staff to be compared.Be honest with ur selves for a while....
9. livingstone is guraranteed a place in hell.
Bunnie Meyer ,   Santa Monica, CA USA   (07.21.05)
They let all the muslims in and now there is a price to pay for it. London has become an iraq, full of looneys, violent looneys.
10. who is the ignorant!!!?
Saleh ,   Jerusalem   (07.21.05)
One can clearly see how widespread ignorance is when one reads most of the talkbacks. To be critical of the Israeli policy and practices doesn't mean being anti Jewish. Israel doesn't represent all Jews because not all Jews approve of occupation and war crimes. Those who give their blind support to Israel are the ignorant.
11. The London Mayor
Micha Sloman ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (07.21.05)
Eytan Bentsur is correct in his assessment of the London Mayor. The mayor has an excellent track record as an outspoken antisemite. Clearly he is also very ignorant of the history and current realities of the Middle East. However he is no fool. He knows his customers and how to win votes. There are far more Muslims in London than Jews.
12. To # 7 John and #8 Daniel-Is it ignorance or racism??
Andy ,   Israel   (07.21.05)
You are both missing the point. Without going in to historical and political issues you raise (I disagree with you for very good reasons), the issue here is whether suicide bombings against civilians can be justified under any circumstances. In some circumstances physical attacks against soldiers can be justified morally-that's called war. But never indiscriminate attacks against civilians, children, innocent bystanders as a deliberate stratergy-that is TERROR. So if you believe the Palestinians have been victimised by the Israelis, attack Israeli soldiers, not 3 year old babies and their grandmothers shopping for birthday cakes, or Muslim girls sitting on the same bus as a suicide bomber, travelling home from school. Livingstone and by implication Blair, and you two, clearly are conditional in you condemnation of terror. We in Israel will not forget that.
13. To Danial in denial
(07.21.05)
Your friend should buy a plane ticket and he will be able to visit Haifa unless of course he threatens the Jewish state by his remarks on entry or by the contents of his luggage. Have you ever heard of any country in the world that happily admits people who threaten its citizens?
14. To Danial
Gil ,   London   (07.21.05)
Its not ridiculous because what about the Jewish Arabs that couldn'#t visit: 1. Iraq 2. Iran 3. pakistan 4. Libya 5. Syria they can't visit their relatives there because these countries wont let them - its the same thing.
15. To Danial
NYC Girl   (07.21.05)
Since you live in France, where the majority of Jew are originally from North Africa, maybe you should talk to some of them instead of just your Palestinian friend. They, along with all the Jews who fled the Middle East, could tell you what it was like to lose their homes and everything they owned because of the despotic Arab regimes they were living under. So, don't just talk to us about the Palestinians because most of us know the other side of the story.
16. #7&8
steven ,   france   (07.21.05)
Hey you guy's you should get together with Ken and have a nice tea party with scones and crumpets,and then all go off into the sun rise never to be seen again.I cant think of a better ending for you,I too have paletinian friends,and i can tell you they ,are very much against the fact that the hamas ,jihad and el aqsa are using the name of allah as an excuse to murder innocent civilians,I as a Jew can understand their frustration with whats happening in the region,and we talk about this subject very often ,but they have never ever uttered the words that you spew out so regularily.You three are not Ipresume JEWISH or even MUSLIM?So what religeon do you use as a reason to condemn the jewish people ?"Let he who has never sinned ,cast the first stone".
17. #10
steven ,   france   (07.21.05)
If as you say not all jews approve the occupation,I might agree with you,but your mention on war crimes ,is pushing the button a bit far.What about the palestinian exremist factions hamas el aqsa etc,who murder innocent men woman and children,do they not fall under the same policy?or are they exempt of all punishment?So all those who give their blind support to arab states that support terror are not just ignorant ,but are not worthy to be apart of the human race.
18. forgitten
grand father ,   ramalla   (07.22.05)
livingstone is he grandson of bilforwho gave the promise to jews in1917 .yes iam the grand father of a terrorist iam just telling the fact to the grandson .belfor may told his grandson about the same fact .history is not from 1967 and beyond 1917 if you want to speake of history .what about remembering what about justies what about history .jews do not forget the holokest .why shall we forget our nakba
19. No kidding
Antoine Delcambre ,   Paris   (07.23.05)
"With respect to Lebanon, Israel would not have encroached on one inch of its territory if not for the ongoing Palestinian terrorist attacks from the north. " Spare me your crap : between 1973 and 1978, there were less than 20 israelis killed because of "terrorist" attacks from the North. Any idea how many israeli soldiers died in Lebanon ? London was attacked because as Oussama said one "if you attack our cities we´ll attack yours" That´s easy : let the iraqis deal with their miserable lives and let enjoy our democraty.
20. ridiculous
Phil ,   Washington DC   (07.23.05)
Antoine, Excuse me, but the fact of the matter is that the War in Iraq was a response to the attacks in Washington and NYC - although I happen to think that going down this road of "he started it, no he did" is ridiculous to begin with. At the end of the day, you display a remarkable ability to forget, which ensures the cycle will continue.
21. To Grandfather / Ramallah
Gil ,   London   (07.24.05)
Man what the HELL are you talking about? Firstly your English is so bad that we can't understand anything. Livingstone the grandson of Balfour??? What?? Nakba = The Holocaust??? However bad your Nakba was you didn't lose 6 MILLION people!! Your over simplifications of history are totally ridiculous!! (find the nearest left wing english speaking foreigner to translate this for you and your reply)
22. livingstone
h.tobin ,   london u.k.   (08.04.05)
Livingstone is far from ignorant. In fact he is very clever in keeping the people who elected him sweet with his commdenation of Israel. He professes to not be antisemetic but he`ll do for me until a real one comes along.
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