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Protestants to Israel: Tear down wall
By Associated Press
Published: 28.07.05, 08:33
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1. "Christian church Disciples of Christ"
Gerd ,   Germany   (07.28.05)
SLEEPLESS NIGHTS AND NIGHTMARES TO ALL OF YOU. Shame!
2. Christians?
Matthias ,   Switzerland   (07.28.05)
As an evangelical Christian I am so ashamed by this resolution of a 'Christian' church!
3. Christian anti-Semitism revived?
Uri ,   Israel   (07.28.05)
Any respectable Jewish organisation, or leader, should immediately sever any relations with this extremist denomination. What makes this discriminatory ruling even more appalling, is that we haven't seen similar resolutions directed towards places like Sudan, where Christians are being massacred. Saudi Arabia, where Christians are denied citizenship. Nor do I reckon that this sect's disciples have taken into consideration how things would be right now, if not for the Security Fence - of which 97% is chain link. How many more innocent people would of been murdered? Apparently this radical faction seems to lack one of the most basic values of Christianity; the preservation of life. The absence of Christian morality is not the only characterising feature of the 'Christian church Disciples of Christ.' It clearly lacks any understanding of the fact that Israel is the only country in the Middle East, where Christians live freely and have all of their rights protected, or that Israel has offered refuge to hundreds of thousands of Christians who face inhuman conditions. Then again, there can't be very much logic in those who view people who blow themselves up with bombs on their waist, filled with rat-poison and aids-blood ridden nuts, bolts, and broken glass, in order to murder and harm as many innocent people as possible, as the world's noblest victims. I'm looking forward to immediate, harsh condemnations of this abomination, carried out in the name of Christianity.
4. It's anti-semitism
Micha Sloman ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (07.28.05)
What's behind this resolution? It must be anti-Semitism, for surely this group of Christians know that the reason for the fence is stop Arab terrorists from entering Israel. If there were no terrorists there would be no security fence, no check points, no Israeli soldiers in the disputed territories, etc.
5. No barrier is lethal for Jews and C C prefers that
Yair   (07.28.05)
6. I do not like the "wall" either.
Johnny Weintraub ,   Sugar Land, Texas US   (07.28.05)
I wonder if these Desciple of Christ authorities have another solution as to how to prevent the murder of elderly Israelis attempting to conduct a seder on Passover. Are they coming to Israel to protect Israelis from all of this terrorism and carnage? Hotels, buses, universities, restaurants, etc. , and no reason for the "wall" to at least try to reduce the opportunity for more terrorism.
7. Brave stand
Faris ,   Palestine   (07.28.05)
A brave Christian stand against the wall of hatred and racism.
8. ????
amanda ,   Israel   (07.28.05)
and suicide bombers dont have an effect on us??? GET OVER IT !! THE WALL STAYS
9. to#8
Faris ,   Palestine   (07.28.05)
Do you really believe the wall is meant for security purposes???. Don't underestimte people's intelligence. Every body knows that it is meant for breaking up Palestinian communities and for stealing their own land and water.
10. THERE NEVER WAS AN ARAB COUNTRY OF PALESTINE
Linda Rivera ,   New York   (07.28.05)
Jerusalem was NEVER the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity. JERUSALEM IS MENTIONED OVER 800 TIMES IN THE BIBLE, not once in the Koran. Around 1948, Arabs violently ETHNICALLY CLEANSED about one million Jews from Arab countries. Arab governments seized the land, homes, bank accounts, businesses and assets of the Jews. Most of the Jewish refugees fled to Israel. THERE MUST NOW BE A JUST SETTLEMENT FOR THE JEWISH REFUGEES AND THEIR DESCENDANTS- COMPENSATION IN LAND AND FINANCES. In 1922, Britain illegally gave MOST OF PALESTINE-80% TO THE ARABS. The area became Jordan, giving the Arabs an Arab Palestinian state on JEWISH land. IT WAS ETHNICALLY CLEANSED OF JEWS. This area is part of ancient, Biblical Israel, and along with present-day Israel, including Judea, Samaria, Gaza and the Golan was recognized by the League of Nations as the Jewish homeland. In 1948, Egypt invaded Gaza and ethnically cleansed ALL Jews. In 1948, Jordan invaded Judea-Samaria (West Bank) and east Jerusalem and ETHNICALLY CLEANSED ALL JEWS. Jordan, opposing G-D DESTROYED 58 synagogues in Jerusalem. In 1967 when Israel won Islam's religious war of aggression against it, Jews returned to the areas of their homeland they had been ethnically cleansed from for 19 years. Islamofascists DECEITFULLY call this return "occupation". Under international law, territories are considered "occupied" only when taken in an act of aggression which does not apply to Israel. Judea, Samaria and Gaza are not 'occupied territories' according to international law because they were not taken from any foreign sovereign. ALL of the Jewish land, homes, properties and businesses stolen from the Jews in the 1948 Islamic invasion must be returned to the Jews IMMEDIATELY.
11. BEFORE 1948, JEWS WERE THE ONES WHO WERE PALESTINIANS
Linda Rivera ,   New York   (07.28.05)
There NEVER was an Arab country of Palestine. Jerusalem was NEVER the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity. JERUSALEM IS MENTIONED OVER 800 TIMES IN THE BIBLE, not once in the Koran. Arabs FIRST took the name “Palestinians” in 1967. Arafat was the FIRST leader of this NEW PEOPLE. Before 1948, Jews were known as the Palestinians! The Jewish newspaper, the Jerusalem Post was called the Palestinian Post. After the Jews miraculously transformed desert and swamps into rich, agricultural land (for which Jews are world famous!) Arabs came in large numbers from Arab countries for jobs from the Jews. The fact that the overwhelming majority of Arabs resided only briefly in Palestine is attested to by the special UN decree: that any Arab who had resided in Palestine FOR ONLY TWO YEARS BEFORE 1948, and then left, would be considered a refugee and so would his descendants!!! On March 31, 1977, Dutch newspaper Trouw published an interview with PLO executive committee member Zahir Muhsein: “The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct “Palestinian people” to oppose Zionism. For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan.”
12. ATTACKING JEWS-THE BROTHERS & SISTERS OF JESUS CHRIST
Linda Rivera ,   New York   (07.28.05)
If Jesus Christ lived today, from the time Jesus was in his mother's womb, he would be targeted for murder by the Islamofascists for being a Jew living in his homeland of Israel. The Palestinian Authority hailed as heroes the terrorists who brutally murdered the beautiful and innocent 8 months pregnant Jewish Gaza mother and her four little daughters. The Palestinian Authority teach the murder of Jews-the brothers and sisters of Jesus Christ, as a religious obligation through their mosques, media and public education system. Broadcast from Gaza mosque, Oct 13 2000, Dr. Ahmad Abu Halabiya, on Palestinian Authority TV (transcribed by Memri): "Have no mercy on the Jews, no matter where they are, in any country. Fight them, wherever you are. Wherever you meet them, kill them. Wherever you are, kill those Jews and those Americans who are like them..." Joseph is the beloved Bible heroe of Jews and Christians. Muslims murdered IDF soldiers at Joseph's Tomb. Muslim mobs with venomous hate destroyed the Tomb. Muslims desecrate and destroy Jewish and Christian holy sites. In the Islamic invasion and filthy desecration of Jesus Christ' birthplace, Church of Nativity, BIBLES WERE TORN UP FOR TOILET PAPER. Mocking Israel's G-D. Mocking the laws G-D gave to Moses inscribed in those Bibles Some of those laws: Exodus 20 "You shall have no other gods before Me" "You shall not make for yourself an idol" "You shall not murder" "You shall not commit adultery" "You shall not steal" "You shall not bear false witness" "You shall not covet" Exodus 21:16 "He who kidnaps a man, whether he sells him or he is found in his possession, shall surely be put to death" Jesus always taught from the Jewish Bible in the synagogues of Israel and in the Temple on the Temple Mount. Muslims have perpetrated massive desecration and destruction at the Temple Mount. G-D designated the Temple Mount to the Jews for His worship and prayer only. Muslims have repeatedly engaged in massive rock throwing at the Jews on the Temple Mount, turning the holiest place on earth into a common place of violence. If Jesus walked this earth today, he would not be silent! His anger and outrage at the terrible crimes committed against his people, the Jews, would be very great.
13. THE WALL ...
Libyan Guy ,   Italy   (07.28.05)
You can dream, as in the end this racist wall will fall, as well as occupation and settlements of crazy fanatic Jews. Freedom is the answer and you better work hard for it, because time is running out ... hurry !!!
14. Visit Israel
gil ,   ashkelon   (07.28.05)
Prior to decide,these howling wolves,should visit Israel and "palestine",in order to learn and to look at the reality of the daily life of Arabs in their cities and villages,in Israel as well,through their eyes and ears,not through médias propaganda. And prior to be concerned by remote walls,let them have a candid look at the southern US wall,the ordeal of Mexicans trying to retrieve their homeland in southern US states.
15. DON'T BEAT UP JEWS TO TAKE ATTENTION OFF OF GAY MARRIAGE
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16. Tear down the wall?
daniel ,   amsterdam   (07.28.05)
In 2002 before the construction of the wall there were 140 suicide attacks or attempts at suicide attacks. Now that the wall has been almost finished that number has dwindled to 8 so far this year. In 2002 500 Israeli's were murdered by Palestinian terrorists, in 2005 I think the number is down to -what- 20? So if you are an Islamic terrorist or share their goals, this must be a very tough time for you. Take prozac. The international criminal court in The Hague decided that article 51 of the UN charter -which states that each country has the right to defend itself- does not apply to Israel. The ICC thinks self defence is only applicable when the attack comes from a different country. They made that extra rule up for Israel. (anti-semites? nooooooo)The logic is as artificial as Pamela Anderson's you-know-whats and not even remotely as attractive. Just after september the 11th NATO members invoced article 5 of the NATO allience. An attack on one is an attack on all. Quite a few NATO members joined the US in the invasion of Afghanistan. Were the attacks launched from Afghanistan? No. Where the attackers themselves Afhani's? No. Did they act in the name of the Afghani goverment? No. So according to the ICC it was illegal for NATO to declare that America was being attacked, it was illegal to liberate Afghanistan and the war against terror (Islamic fundamentalism) is illegitimate because it is not being waged by a country. As general General Tony McAuliffe said in 1944: NUTS!
17. the pals made the wall possible
cliff from montreal ,   Canada   (07.28.05)
The palis built the wall. The pals made this wall possible and only the pals can remove it.(in peace with Israel)
18. to the libian doltmonger
cliff from montreal ,   Canada   (07.28.05)
please go back to fraudi arabia amd libia and talk about 'crazy racist' zealots.You will be amoung your own there.Yeah back to the 7'th century you go.You too can dream, maybe you might wake up and smell the coffee, but I don't think your type can.
19. We will be free
Nbalus 1   (07.28.05)
The problem is with Occupation, Complying with UN resolutions by retreating to the 1967 borders removing all settlements from all occupied lands including Jerusalem, the return of refugees to their homes will be to the best interest of Israel, Israel can only survive with peace with the Palestinians and its neighbors, Stop dreaming and come to reality, nothing will prevent the inevitable. Israel is buying time its on life support now, how long can you stay like that before the tide starts turning against you, American support will not last forever, America will be looking for its own interest and it will not be siding with Israel forever. So hurry before it’s too late, STOP DREAMING 57 YEARS IS ENOUGH SLEEP WAKE UP?????!!!!
20. to nablus1
ozy ,   the deep south   (07.28.05)
i got news fro you... your national aspirations are just a bunch of bubble gum.... you and your brothers will reunite eventually in jordan ,which is palestine. occupation?--- you are the occupiers of legitimate ,jweish land. right of return? what a joke.... return to where, or what? they left their homes because they chose to ... now it's too late... they can wave with those stincky keys ,but there will be no door for them to open... just the door of hell ,as far as we're concerened. one or two more"9/11s", and the world will really turn on you ,arabs ,and the mass forced migration back to arabia will begin. see, if you'not here ,you can't terrorise.
21. To # 19
gil ,   ashkelon   (07.28.05)
First we need no allies to defend ourselves. Second,whether you should really stop claims after pull out behind 1967 line,I am sure we could sign a comprehensive an lasting peace treaty.Unfortunately,your goal is to draw Israel eastern border on the shore of Medeterranean sea,clearly,to throw isrealis into the sea or better solution,to fill the sea with their blood,as Mr Nasser once predicted. Your dream,as all your's from the building of the mosque on the rubble of our Holy Temple and the writing of the Coran,is to deface jewish civilisation and remaining jewish people from the earth. Just forget it.Some day you will regret your stubborn and useless struggle,ignoring our stubborn strugle to leave in peace with our unfortunate neighbours
22. nablus; Go back to Arabia where you belong!
Daisy ,   USA   (07.29.05)
23. REAL CHRISTIANS SUPPORT ISRAEL!
Daisy ,   USA   (07.29.05)
24. Listen Up You Antizionists/Antisemites....
Adina Kutnicki ,   NJ, US   (07.29.05)
To ALL the morally bankrupt Protestants - I will make you a deal - when you agree to live alongside those wishing to blow you up WITHOUT a fence, then you can tell the Israelis what to do. Until then, shut your mouths and keep your antizionism/antisemitism under check. Throughout history your churches have been vile to the Jews. Why should anyone expect such craven people to change?? By the way, you too are infidels to your Muslim fanatic kindred spirits. They also have bombs waiting for you guys and gals. First the Saturday people, then the Sunday people. So beware of who you lie in bed with because if you bed down with dogs, you will wake up with fleas.
25. israel will live for ever
joe ,   israel   (07.29.05)
we do not depend on you or American support to serive we are the true sons of the lord and he will protect us and continue to protect us long after you and your kind have left this world we have serived the holcast the inquesion where is hilter roman empire and all the rest
26. the wall hat has saved lives
joe ,   israel   (07.29.05)
since the wall has be up there has been a notable decrease in boomings in israel this shows that the wall has a perpose allso the wall will be the final borders between israel and you
27. cliff - montreal
Libyan Guy ,   Italy   (07.29.05)
Sorry, but you also are dreaming, like your fellow Jews, read history to learn that love is the answer not Jewish zionistic rascim ... Stay well in beautiful Canada.
28. Sick Adina in NJ - US
Libyan guy ,   Italy   (07.29.05)
at this point, move to Israel tolive in the only paradise on earth or stay at home and close well everything, as fanatics are all around you ... organe blu red alert ... really ... you people are from another plante ...
29. 28-We are making Aliyah-Americans Will Defend Israel
(07.29.05)
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