Opinion  Renana Marmelstein
Hoping for the best
By Renana Marmelstein
Published: 02.08.05, 21:24
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1. Marmelstein
Michael ,   Haifa   (08.03.05)
reading Marmelstein's tear-jerking spin on Ynet only strengthens my belief in the legitimacy of the disengagement and the sound common sense to expel the "robber-Baron" settlers from land that is not theirs.
2. "When I realized that even the adults were scared"
accessol ,   Spelthorne, England   (08.03.05)
Scared of what? Scared of having to do an honest day's work without the help of cheap labour? Having to stop prancing around Gaza like a strutting mussolini? Having to give up taking pot shots at Palestinian kids? Of not being able to chop down Arab olive trees or steal their olives? Just what are these layabouts scared of? Haven't they had a big enough pay off? Aren't their new seaside villas painted the right colour?
3. the government will divide you, don't go
(08.03.05)
4. Marmelstein and #1
pesach ,   israel   (08.04.05)
I suggest you get got up on the news on israelnational news and ynet news about the corruption of the sharon family and his government, the plans for a casino - money money money and YOU call the zionists of this decade, robber-barons? Cehck your facts sir and be informed instead of laead by your hate.
5. Arsessol, you really do write drivel !
Eli Vardi ,   Israel   (08.05.05)
You want to go through your inaccurate points one by one? Try and understand. 1, The Gaza settlers in general were very hard working and built up agricultural businesses with the help of local Arab labour. These families are now unemployed and have no source of income, we are talking about 100's. 2. There were no accounts of setlers taking pot shots at anyone. There were attacks by Hamas and Islamic Jehad who use kids aged 14 as fronts. In fact, if you saw the film and video that we see, you will see that for years these peopole have been pushing their young in front of most atacks to act as shields. Yes, the kids get hit sometimes, but it's not pot shots. 3. They are not layabouts. You are letting your warped imagination flow again. 4. I think that their payoffs( compensation for giving up 30 years work and their homes) were reasonable. Some will not receive them because they don't want them, others because they are being intimidated by the fanatics on their settlements. 6. They are having to move out of their homes, where they have lived for 30 years, with families of 5-6 kids( normal here) and move into 90 sq meter houses. That's probably as big as your lounge and dining room combined, there in England. I've for the withdrawal, against the fanatics, but I understand their feeling of loss and trauma. I guess that I'm not as full of blind hatred for Israel as you are. No shades of grey, just black and white, no room for intellectual judgement, it's a very simplistic view on Israel that is very inaccurate and rather dumb.
6. THERE NEVER WAS AN ARAB COUNTRY OF PALESTINE
Linda Rivera ,   New York   (08.07.05)
Jerusalem was NEVER the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity. JERUSALEM IS MENTIONED OVER 800 TIMES IN THE BIBLE, not once in the Koran. Around 1948, Arabs violently ETHNICALLY CLEANSED about one million Jews from Arab countries. Arab governments seized the land, homes, bank accounts, businesses and assets of the Jews. Most of the Jewish refugees fled to Israel. THERE MUST NOW BE A JUST SETTLEMENT FOR THE JEWISH REFUGEES AND THEIR DESCENDANTS- COMPENSATION IN LAND AND FINANCES. In 1922, Britain illegally gave MOST OF PALESTINE-80% TO THE ARABS. The area became Jordan, giving the Arabs an Arab Palestinian state on JEWISH land. IT WAS ETHNICALLY CLEANSED OF JEWS. This area is part of ancient, Biblical Israel, and along with present-day Israel, including Judea, Samaria, Gaza and the Golan was recognized by the League of Nations as the Jewish homeland. In 1948, Egypt invaded Gaza and ethnically cleansed ALL Jews. In 1948, Jordan invaded Judea-Samaria (West Bank) and east Jerusalem and ETHNICALLY CLEANSED ALL JEWS. Jordan, opposing G-D DESTROYED 58 synagogues in Jerusalem. In 1967 when Israel won Islam's religious war of aggression against it, Jews returned to the areas of their homeland they had been ethnically cleansed from for 19 years. Islamofascists DECEITFULLY call this return "occupation". Under international law, territories are considered "occupied" only when taken in an act of aggression which does not apply to Israel. Judea, Samaria and Gaza are not 'occupied territories' according to international law because they were not taken from any foreign sovereign. ALL of the Jewish land, homes, properties and businesses stolen from the Jews in the 1948 Islamic invasion must be returned to the Jews IMMEDIATELY.
7. ISRAELI LEADERS RECKLESS ABANDONMENT OF ISRAEL'S DEFENSE
Linda Rivera ,   New York   (08.08.05)
israelinsider.com July 8 2005, 'From London to Gaza', by David Bedein "In recent weeks, American, British and Israeli intelligence sources have revealed that al-Qaida units now operate in the southern section of Gaza, and are positioned to take over the area that Israel Defense Forces would vacate..." Since 1974, it has been Islamist strategy that when Israel was sufficiently weakened through a combination of diplomacy and violence, the Arab nations would join in the final solution against Israel. PA leader, Abbas was Arafat's partner for over 40 years. Shortly after Oslo, Arafat explained on Jordanian TV the PLO strategy adopted in 1974: "Since we cannot defeat Israel in war, we do this in stages. We take any and every territory we can of Palestine, and establish sovereignty there, and we use it as a springboard to take more. When the time comes, WE CAN GET THE ARAB NATIONS TO JOIN US FOR THE FINAL BLOW AGAINST ISRAEL." Colluding with Egypt, the Palestinian Authority have smuggled in anti-tank missiles and anti-aircraft shoulder fired missiles that can take down commercial jets. Israeli leaders invitation for Egyptian military forces to deploy on Israel's border with Egypt fits in perfectly with the Islamist plan for the destruction of Israel, the world’s only Jewish state and its replacement with an Islamic state. Egypt is equipped with the latest American weapons. Massive U.S. military aid making Egypt the largest and most powerful Arab army. In 2004, U.S. Congressman Tom Lantos in the House International Relations Committee, warned Egypt was building up its military in preparation for a future war with Israel. M.K. Steinitz stated: Egyptian military "has been training for war against Israel for the past 10 years." After the 1967 War, the American Joint Chiefs of Staff report stated ISRAEL CAN ONLY BE DEFENSIBLE IF IT RETAINS JUDEA, SAMARIA, GAZA AND THE GOLAN. israelnationalnews - Jan 10 2005 - Israel Radio's morning newsmagazine reported PA leader, Abbas, appeared the night before and declared before cheering crowds, the "little Jihad had ended, and now the BIG JIHAD IS BEGINNING." The crowd responded, "A Million Shahids Marching to Jerusalem!" Israeli military analysts state that after Israel's exit from Gaza terror will greatly increase. Gaza will become Hamastan - the largest terror base in the Middle East with its own airport and seaport - and Al-Qaida - a major terror threat to the entire world - worldnet daily.com, July 11 2005 ‘Al-Qaida nukes already in U.S.’ Al-Qaida is planning an “American Hiroshima” involving multiple detonation of nuclear weapons. G-8 leaders have promised 9 billion dollars to the Palestinian Authority over the next three years. TAX DOLLARS THAT SHOULD GO FOR THE IMMEDIATE BUILDING OF BOMB SHELTERS! The Road Map Islamic terror state will reduce TINY, over-crowded Israel to a 9 mile wide border at its middle. A TOTALLY INDEFENSIBLE ISRAEL. Through a series of horrifying concessions and suicidal agreements, under intense pressure from the U.S. Israel's leaders have recklessly abandoned the defense of Israel. The whole world is endangered.
8. ISRAELI LEADERS RECKLESS ABANDONMENT OF ISRAEL'S DEFENSE
Linda Rivera ,   New York   (08.08.05)
israelinsider.com July 8 2005, 'From London to Gaza', by David Bedein "In recent weeks, American, British and Israeli intelligence sources have revealed that al-Qaida units now operate in the southern section of Gaza, and are positioned to take over the area that Israel Defense Forces would vacate..." Since 1974, it has been Islamist strategy that when Israel was sufficiently weakened through a combination of diplomacy and violence, the Arab nations would join in the final solution against Israel. PA leader, Abbas was Arafat's partner for over 40 years. Shortly after Oslo, Arafat explained on Jordanian TV the PLO strategy adopted in 1974: "Since we cannot defeat Israel in war, we do this in stages. We take any and every territory we can of Palestine, and establish sovereignty there, and we use it as a springboard to take more. When the time comes, WE CAN GET THE ARAB NATIONS TO JOIN US FOR THE FINAL BLOW AGAINST ISRAEL." Colluding with Egypt, the Palestinian Authority have smuggled in anti-tank missiles and anti-aircraft shoulder fired missiles that can take down commercial jets. Israeli leaders invitation for Egyptian military forces to deploy on Israel's border with Egypt fits in perfectly with the Islamist plan for the destruction of Israel, the world’s only Jewish state and its replacement with an Islamic state. Egypt is equipped with the latest American weapons. Massive U.S. military aid making Egypt the largest and most powerful Arab army. In 2004, U.S. Congressman Tom Lantos in the House International Relations Committee, warned Egypt was building up its military in preparation for a future war with Israel. M.K. Steinitz stated: Egyptian military "has been training for war against Israel for the past 10 years." After the 1967 War, the American Joint Chiefs of Staff report stated ISRAEL CAN ONLY BE DEFENSIBLE IF IT RETAINS JUDEA, SAMARIA, GAZA AND THE GOLAN. israelnationalnews - Jan 10 2005 - Israel Radio's morning newsmagazine reported PA leader, Abbas, appeared the night before and declared before cheering crowds, the "little Jihad had ended, and now the BIG JIHAD IS BEGINNING." The crowd responded, "A Million Shahids Marching to Jerusalem!" Israeli military analysts state that after Israel's exit from Gaza terror will greatly increase. Gaza will become Hamastan - the largest terror base in the Middle East with its own airport and seaport - and Al-Qaida - a major terror threat to the entire world - worldnet daily.com, July 11 2005 ‘Al-Qaida nukes already in U.S.’ Al-Qaida is planning an “American Hiroshima” involving multiple detonation of nuclear weapons. G-8 leaders have promised 9 billion dollars to the Palestinian Authority over the next three years. TAX DOLLARS THAT SHOULD GO FOR THE IMMEDIATE BUILDING OF BOMB SHELTERS! The Road Map Islamic terror state will reduce TINY, over-crowded Israel to a 9 mile wide border at its middle. A TOTALLY INDEFENSIBLE ISRAEL. Through a series of horrifying concessions and suicidal agreements, under intense pressure from the U.S. Israel's leaders have recklessly abandoned the defense of Israel. The whole world is endangered.
9. Let's try something new...
Lisa   (08.09.05)
Change and adaptability are the name of the game. It's done throughout the world without civil wars and spending so many millions of dollars. Let's see just how quickly and efficiently you and your fellow oranges transfer your loyalties inside the green line.
10. Disengagement plan
Jay Mak ,   Beirut, Lebanon   (08.11.05)
I would like to shed light the subject you brought up about youth and politics, and how they serve as crutches for adults. I believe this is really true and it doesnt only apply to politics,its also related to religious fanaticism, which is detected in both parties of the conflict and has lead to severe bloodshed for the past years. I believe that if these symptoms were dealt with and both Palestinian and Israeli youth could carry on normal lives, peace is not neccessary nor possible at this point(at least in my opinion), but the new generation would more likely acheive this goal. Thats why I believe the youth should be protected from savage political arguments which severely affect their personal devalopment and way of thought.
11. Dear Renana, we know that in the end, G-D WINS!
Linda Rivera ,   New York   (08.13.05)
No matter what happens in the next few days and the next few years. The mighty G-D, the Holy One of Israel will bring peace to Israel and the entire world.
12. Traitor
Daniella ,   California   (08.19.05)
Michael you are a traitor to your own people. When you are evicted from your own home in Haifa, and left homeless, let us see if you will be saying the same thing. The disengagement is not legitimite and an act of betrayl by Sharon's and his cronies. If anybody is a robber-baron, it is the Palestinians. You should be ashamed of yourself.
13. to number 10
(10.28.05)
finally someone that makes sense... I hope that your generation in lebanon will catch up with the rest of the wrold and join us, the non-religious, young israelies to form a better middle east for our children. Renana, I'm all hope that your kind of loonies will extinct in time. I hope that your children will develope thier own ability to think. you are blocking any hope for a better tomorrow.
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