Those who oppose the ethnic cleansing plan, including the Hesder students, are those who serve in combat units today. This is the future- a bright future, where Jews will refuse to ethnically cleanse Jews.

As just about every IDF commander and officer will tell you, the Hesder units are some of the best units in the IDF in both motivation, ability, and love of their country and fellow Jews. In fact, it known that Hesder units have "replaced" the kibutznikim as the best soldiers. As a former "hesdernick" I can personnaly attest to these combat units. Believe me, not drafting these students would be a far greater loss to the IDF than not being drafted into the IDF would be to them.

Dani's right. The lost generation of "Israelis" have more dogs than children, because people like Peres and Ben-Gurion tore them away from even basic Jewish culture, and tried to replace it with phony "Israeli" culture. Now they flounder, taking drugs or running after money in order to find their purpose. In the meantime, we were lucky to have a Jewish identity over all, and even though not Charedi, have a healthy traditional base. We are the future. Elazar Stern is making a mistake to jump on a sinking ship.

Again IDF and Stern particulary attacks religious soldiers from Hesder yeshivot that are great fighters and great zionists. After the pullout the generals want to dismantle Hesder yeshivot ! They fight the spirit of the jewish people ! IDF desserves much better than those anti-religious, anti-zionist (!) generals . Fortunately all are not like Stern

Stern is talking nonsense and he knows it. One who refuses to expell his own brothers and sisters, is not going to refuse to protect Jewish lives in Hebron, Kiriyat Arba etc. That is the specious and incendiary argument from the left. It tries to create a moral equivalence when there is none. Comapring evil to good is what will bring death to the willing collaborators!

I disagree; I think the comparison is a valid one. A secular soldier who does not believe in ruling over Arabs without giving them equal rights would then be within his rights to serve on the territories, as has already been happening within secular public. A year ago, when disengagement was not so high on the agenda, there were a number of high profile cases of secular refusal punished harshly by the IDF. In the end the order is an order, and the army has to be consistent if it wants to avoid disintegration. Now back to the issue of religius vs. secular. What is coming out of the recent anti-disengagement protests is how polarized Israeli society is-neither side wants to listen to the other side's needs. In the end, it is very clear to me that the majority of secular Israelies does not want to rule over palestenians. The religious side seems to be rather oblivious to this issue and prefers to simply to preserve the status quo where things just stay as they are. In the end since we got no real dialogue between parties, and no compromise between two sectors, we are standing on the brink of the biggest chasm that Jewish people had ever witnessed. Except today, no matter how you play it, the majority of the Jews in the world is not Orthodox, and it is a real question whether the religious sector could continued to simply impose its national will on the rest of us. I am saying it as a religious Jew who is troubled by the fact that the religious Jews everywhere are very comfortable to do things the way they are used without regard to the needs of their non-religous brothers. And now we have a situation that the needs and interests of religious sector are disregarded, and likely in a very un-democratic way, and we just wonder why this happens. Let's not be naive-this has been in the making for last 200 years. We orthodox Jews should wake up and try to build our country while realizing that we can no longer claim moral superiority simply because we are religious.

immoral orders, unlike some Germans in the past. However, would you trust a secular Israeli soldier who has no belief in G-d to act morally and refuse illegal and immoral acts? Maybe, maybe not. The odds are better with religious soldiers.