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1. AG and Rabin z"l death
First of all there is no proof that what killed Rabin Was the bullet from Amir's gun. Yes he shot Rabin but there are photos of Rabin standing after the shot. Second the anti-religious vehement particularly from Leah Rabin z"l was so inciting to the people of Israel-yet she was free to spout her hate. A hate not begun with her husband's demise! So it is with this expulsion - a move partially meant to destroy the ruach of the dati leumi population - which can never be destroyed. Sharon and his gang of thieves hve incited this nation with the monies of the people with hate against what is still referred to after some 28 years as settlers. A friend of mine is 9th generation Yerushalmi who lives in Gush Katif. Is he a settler. To hand the Arabs prizes with nothing in return incites more terror and in not standing up to it we the STATE OF ISRAEL has become a terror supporting state. What does one do about terror supporting states? I have no answer as I live here and love the land of Israel but hate what is happening to this and what will happen to future generations. Already the IDF is no longer the honored segment of our lives. The police have become brutal. Teenagers impisoned as in any totalitarean state. When will it stop. Is the prayer service for Har Habeit/Kotel Maarivi enough to wipe these 'sins' out? Can the corruption (we are the leaders in western societies now) be rlegated to our past? May Hashem help us and may we help ourselves to get back on the road to health -spiritual, physical and mental heath.
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2. It's the verdict, stupid!
Esther , |
Israel |
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(08.10.05) |
Mazuz, the man who saw nothing shady about Gilad Sharon being paid hundreds of thousands of dollars for an Internet search, should read what Judge Judge Edmund A. Levy wrote in sentencing Amir to life imprisonment: "The accused's actions are not only a personal failing, and it is not with him alone that we are coming to terms with today. It is with everyone who, directly or indirectly, specifically or in general, gave him to understand that it was permissible to a cut down a person's life on the basis of any ideology whatsoever."
Hmm, a reference to Incitement, perhaps?
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3. #1 Conspiracy and misapprehension
Eli Vardi , |
Israel |
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(08.10.05) |
How can you say there is no proof that Amir didn't kill Rabin? That's like saying there is no proof that the A-bomb killed anyone at Hiroshima ! There were pictures of people watching the explosion, still standing.
There is no problem with the Dati Leumi , religious Zionist or Secular Zionists, some of whom live in the Gush. The problem is with the Fanatics in the organisation who have turned it violently right in the last ten years.
The Fanatics like Etti Etam and his mafioso have taken a well respected and constructive ethical party and turned it into dangerous fundamentalist force.
The occupation of lands gained by war have corrupted the whole moral structure of Israel, both secular and religious.
No culture can subjugate another group without being corrupted by it.
Your 9 generation Palestinian/ Israeli Jew is a settler because of where he lives not because of what he is. Yes,he's a Palestinian Jew too. Don't we like labels.....
The IDF is still an honoured group, it's still made up of religious, non-religious Jews, Druse and some Christians. Soldiers have NEVER had the right to weigh up the moral decisions of their officers who carry out the orders of the Knesset. AND YES, the Knesset backed up Ariel Sharon in his decisions. It's not the dictatoship that some rightists claim all the time.
Sharon has seen the writing on the wall and is moving with the needs of the country ( to my amazement) just as Begin did with Yamit and Sinai.
How many Jewish children would we have lost by now had we stayed in Sinai?
The difference is that in Begins day the population understanded the need to give back the land to gain Peace. We didn't have fanatical expantionist right wingers wanting to take over the whole Middle East, like Effi Etam.
We need prayers for our Orange children, that they will see the way to push fora united secure Israel through democratic methods , not by blocking roads and urban warfare tactics.
We have a huge re-education job to do on our arrogant headstrong and unruly kids. There is a minority that is destroying all the work we have done since the founding of B'nai Akiva.
And that's something I never believed that I would one day say regarding Dati Leumi Children.
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in the same vein , it was not proven conclusively that smoking cigarettes is addictive or bad for health !
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5. The Left In Israel Needs Serious Treatment
Adina Kutnicki , |
NJ, US |
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(08.10.05) |
The ones who are leading all the incitement in Israel are the far left and the Arab MK's. There is no doubt that they will do ANYTHING in order to strip Israel of its Jewish essence.
The Arabs do it for one reason - in order to destroy Israel. The Jewish left do it in order to distance themselves from their feelings of persecution, hoping that becoming like any other "normal" nation will save their sorry butts from Islamic rage, and other antisemitic outbursts.
Sorry fellow Jews. It just won't work. Delusion will only lead to more horrors. Learn from your history!
By the way, it was the left who sanctioned the Altalena (remember your darling Rabin who had his hands in that one) and Oslo. (Peres, Rabin, Beilin etc. What camp are they in?) How many murders came from their evil doings??
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6. what he meant
David , |
London, UK |
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(08.10.05) |
I think what was meant that it wasn't necessarily incitement that caused Amir to act as he did - there could have been no incitement whatsoever and he would still have murdered Rabin.
I'm sure that the atmosphere at the time didn't exactly help, but who can say that he would not have shot the Prime Minister anyway if everything had been calm and he simply disagreed with the policies.
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7. MAZUZ MIGHT HAVE TO EXPLAIN THE OTHER SHABAK MASSACRESASWELL
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8. amir didn't murder
Brad Geistein , |
jerusalem |
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(08.10.05) |
Amir was NOT Rabin's murderer.
In Hebrew visit www.yitzhakrabin.co.il
In English www.barrychamish.com
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You are clearly a self-hating Jew
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10. INCITEMENT & MURDER BY ISLAMISTS GET HUGE REWARDS
Linda Rivea , |
New York |
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(08.10.05) |
It is cause for great concern that a significant
number of Arab Muslim Israelis have been involved in
terrorist attacks against Israel's Jews.
Ynetnews: 'Intifada is possible', 8/6/05 The Shfaram
attack on Arabs by one Jew evinced a menacing
response: "...all options are open to us, including an
intifada, a spokesman for the Suprememe Arab-Israeli
Monitoring Committee told Ynet Friday." Anbatawi,
Committee spokesman acknowledged the "attack is a
highly unusual incident" Yet Arab Israelis discussed
having an intifada over an attack by one Jew.
Intense U.S. pressure is exerted on Israel to not
respond to terrorist attacks. Jewish Gaza has been
attacked with thousands of rockets and mortars. The
abnormal response of Israeli leaders is to not fight
back and defeat the enemy. Sderot, inside the green
line, is a frequent target of rocket attacks. Israeli
leaders abnormal response is a refusal to defend their
Jewish citizens.
The horrifying response of the U.S. EU, UN, to more
than 27,000 Arab Muslim terror attacks against
Israel's Jews in the last five years and the maimings
and murders of thousands of Jewish innocents is to
reward and greatly empower this barbaric war against
Jews with an Islamist terror state.
All Palestinian Authority maps show the new state of
Palestine covering ALL Israel with ALL Jerusalem as
their capital. Their goal: the destruction of the
world's only Jewish state and its replacement with an
Islamic one.
May 2003 Pew Global poll: 80% of Palestinians agreed
with the statement: "The rights and needs of the
Palestinian people cannot be taken care of as long as
the State of Israel exists." 80% of "Palestinians"
want Israel destroyed!
Israel's Jews must go on strike! Take to the streets
in protest! Get new strong leaders - to save Jews
from the planned second holocaust.
Palestinian Authority Minister Mohammed Dahlan,
respected by the U.S. is in charge of coordinating the
withdrawal with Israel.
Terror master, Dahlan - murderer of Jews, is
responsible for the bomb attack on the Israeli school
bus in November 2000 in which two school teachers were
murdered and three children from the Cohen family lost
their legs.
If Jesus Christ lived today, from the time Jesus was
in his mother's womb, he would be targeted for murder
by the Islamofascists for being a Jew living in his
homeland of Israel.
The Palestinian Authority hailed as heroes the
terrorists who brutally murdered the beautiful and
innocent 8 months pregnant Jewish Gaza mother and her
four little daughters.
The Palestinian Authority teach the murder of Jews as
a religious obligation through their mosques, media
and public education system.
Broadcast from Gaza mosque, Oct 13 2000, Dr. Ahmad Abu
Halabiya, on Palestinian Authority TV (transcribed by
Memri):
"Have no mercy on the Jews, no matter where they are,
in any country. Fight them, wherever you are. Wherever
you meet them, kill them. Wherever you are, kill those
Jews and those Americans who are like them."
Genocide, and/or planned genocide breakS international law.
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11. Kempler video of murder online
David , |
Jerusalem |
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(08.11.05) |
Barrychamish.com has the kempler video and you can see why they never show the video on Israeli TV ever. It was shown on TV for a 2 week period over nine years ago and never again.
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12. The Kempler video blog
David Ben-Ariel , |
Toledo, USA/Menashe |
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(11.13.05) |
http://kemplervideo.blogspot.com/
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