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Auschwitz-style party
By Ronen Bodoni
Published: 10.08.05, 17:59
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1. TIME TO MAKE ALIYAH FROM HOLLAND
(08.10.05)
2. Aliyah from Holland
Rachel ,   Israel   (08.10.05)
I made Aliyah from Holland. There is lots of education of the Holocaust in every school. You can't say as a Dutch person that you "don't know" what happend in the Holocaust. This is just a sick person and just a "Sorry" isn't good enhough in my eyes. I'm completely shocked.
3. If you think you can handle watching this vile Flash film,
patrickafir ,   U.S.A.   (08.10.05)
it is posted here: http://skoften.mine.nu/flash/housewitz.htm Despicable.
4. Dutch antisemitism
kyle ,   New York   (08.10.05)
doesnt surprise me, 98% of Dutch Jews died (a higher rate than even Poland) don't forget that Anna Frank was turned over to the gestapo by her dutch neighbors.
5. Prosecutor did not consider it illegal
Dutch Jewish Weekly ,   Amsterdam, Holland   (08.10.05)
The MDI has now lodged a complaint against the site still showing clip, despite a negative advice from the public prosecutor in Amsterdam... The Museum at Auschwitz have complained to the Dutch abassador in Warsaw, so maybe there will be some action on it now... Read Dutch? more about this on the weblog from the Dutch Jewish Weekly, http://niwredactie.web-log.nl/log/3232604
6. Who could possibly find this to be funny?
Joel Schaffer ,   Belleair Bluffs, Fl   (08.10.05)
Who could possibly find this to be funny? Personally I am at a loss for words. How do you take Auschwitz & combine it with the promotion of a rave dance party? How do you take the attempted systematic extermination of a race of people, of innocent human beings....and make a big joke about it. The film maker needs a lobotomy. This is a perfect example of the European acceptance of Anti-Semitism. We can lump this film maker in with Price Harry and the rest of the emerging Hitler Youth.
7. To all Jewish people in Holland
Joel Schaffer ,   Belleair Bluffs, Fl   (08.10.05)
To all Jewish people in Holland, LEAVE NOW WHILE THERE IS STILL TIME. Move to Israel.
8. Why make aliyah?
Steve ,   Raleigh   (08.10.05)
They're just as likely to marginalize you there as well. Trust me, Sabras more or less would resent you as not being 'real' Israelis. In either case the right wing nutjobs in Holland are just as likely to keep their Islamic counterparts at bay.
9. dutch antisemitism
Heinrich ,   Amsterdam   (08.10.05)
what a load of nonsense. frank was not betrayed by her neighbours .know your facts before you are accusing a whole nation.want to have some names? ascher, cohen weinreb
10. Positively Revolting!
(08.10.05)
Holland is the least anti-Semitic country in Europe, and also, believe it or not, the most pro-Israel. (According to polls) This video typifies the young generation of Europeans, who believe that it is the Jews that are Nazis. Most Germans believe that Israel is 'worse than Nazis.' Europeans despise the burden of responsibility for the Holocaust, so they try to diminish it's meaning, and legitimise it in any way possible.
11. the stupid idiot ''a student''
Robert Y. Yohaï ,   Soest - Holland   (08.10.05)
it is a big shame that did person can write this, he disgrace Holland with his dangerous/stupid ''artical''. I born here shame myself for such person, I wish his address his e-mailaddress. This ''artical'' must be removed!!! THIS IS NOT FANNY!!! (in dutch), met dit articel bewijst dit z.g. studentje dat hij een wansmaak heeft en met de normen en waarden niet zo nauw neemt, dat hij een hoop mensen pijn doet beseft deze idioot kennelijk niet. Soest, Robert Y. Yohaï
12. DUTCH Antisemitism
Hollandse KAASBOL   (08.10.05)
95% of Dutch Jews were deported and exterminated in the nazi death camps (during WW2) and this was not possible without the active participation of the DUTCH population. The majority of these Jews had Dutch citizenship and most of them were "COLDLY" turned over to the gestapo by their neighbours for money. The DUTCH nazi party was also the second most important nazi party in Western Europe after the German (DEUTSCH) one. "Most scholars believe that if Germany had won the War that the Netherlands would have been annexed to the Reich. The Dutch population was in fact more Aryan than the German population and thus for the race-obsessed NAZIs like Hitler and Himmler it would be a valuable addition to the Reich. Seyss-Inquart (an Austrian appointed by Hitler as the Nazi governor of occupied Holland) ruled by decree. Over the 5 years he governed the Netherlamds (1940-45), he issued hundreds of decrees. Contrary to his pledge, he turned the Netherlands into a throughly NAZI police state. Many of his decrees were inconsequential, but slowly they created the circumstances that permitted the NAZIs to murder most Dutch Jews." Extracts from : http://histclo.hispeed.com/essay/war/ww2/hol/holc-neth.html
13. EEN BOODSCHAP aan Nederlandse Vrienden
alan ,   south africa   (08.11.05)
Everybody replying to this article has different percentages for the Jews killed in the Netherlands... I believe it was 78% or thereabouts..Certainly one of the highest...Eichman had only praise for the zeal of Netherlanders ...What a shame that these Jews whose ancestors were so beautifully painted by REMBRANDT were "Westerborked" to Auschwitz just to make some room for the newcomers Netherlands imported in the past years since the War... Never mind, Nederlanders " U heft nouw een groter probleem as K.. in een Wolkombers met U huidendagse verschilende landgenote. Denk een bietjie daaraan wat U gedaan heft tydens jaren 40/45. Groeten.
14. To the Duch people: I am not worried about this video clip
Aharon ,   Israel   (08.11.05)
Would such a disgusting video clip have been created, had it been about Duch people who were killed in the second world war? I doubt it. I am not worried about this clip. I live in my OWN jewish country. As for me, what a bunch of scums do in Holland, is as interesting as the sex life of the camels in the Sahara desert. If the Jewish community feels threatened by this such anti-Semitic acts, it knows very well how to get to Israel. To the Duch people I have only to say this: words and pictures have an effect on people. The Holocaust began when people started to say the Jews are like this and like that. A healthy society can not accept laughing about people who were murdered, just because they were considered less than human. It is very dangerous, since anti-Semitism starts with Jews, but it may not end with Jews.
15. Reply to Steve
Sivan ,   Israel   (08.11.05)
I'm originally from the UK. I have goodhearted Sabra friends, I work successfully with Sabras, I gave birth to 2 Sabras whose wonderful father is a Sabra. Resentment from Sabras? Speak for yourself .....
16. How sick can these people be?
Irith ,   Freiburg, Germany   (08.11.05)
Didn't people in Holland suffer enough from nazism? Didn't parents tell their children about the holocaust? So much failure...
17. This filth does not reflect the attitude of most Dutch
Yaakov ,   Netherlands   (08.11.05)
I just want to say that filth like this does not get appreciated in Holland. The Dutch are for the most part appaled at this film and our more serious news people condemned it. Most serious column writes condemned it and most people I know just shook there heads in amazement that somebody, a student even who should know better, made such a disgusting clip. I am so sorry that this has been done from Holland. A country with Jewish blood on its hands, make no mistake. But for the most part, this generation distance themselves from the anti-Semitic past of The Netherlands. Especially the collaboration during the occupation. Submitted with peace and respect, Yaakov
18. Don't blame a whole nation!
moi ,   Tel Aviv   (08.12.05)
Because of 1 ignorant, stupid student, you all want to blame a whole nation??? Come on....most Dutch people love Israel...and Israel love Holland. Both countries have a very strong commitment towards eachother, I know, I work for the Dutch Foreign Ministry . Not all Dutch were collabrators during the Holocaust, for a fact, my mother and her sister were rescued by Dutch people and went into hiding, and I know many other people survived because of the courage of some Dutch citizens... To Irit from Germany...how would you feel if we blame the whole German nation, also people that were born after the holocaust for their Nazi crimes ??? The Holocaust is the most important event that happened in the History of the Dutch people and our youngsters are very well educated about that , unlike in you country Germany, were most youngsters don't know much about their terrible past...or are still in denial... To all Israeli's , if 1 grazy soldier kills 4 people on a bus, will the whole nation be blamed...I don't think so...
19. Erroneous
Anon ,   Netherlands   (08.12.05)
There was not advertising an intended dance party, the date reflected is the memorial of Dutch Liberation Day. The creator only apologized after he was taking some heat. The film was discovered and its creator rooted out by geenstijl.nl (No Style). It has been quoted elsewhere that Dutch authorities have stated there is nothing illegal about the film, contrary to Dutch law, enacted after the holocaust attempting to prevent just this sort of thing. Muslims, however, are held to a different standard when it comes to hate statements. Dicky, his friends and others who worked on this need to catch the bus the Dutch want to force some Muslim youth to take, to Auschwitz.
20. This DOES reflect the general attitudes towards NON Dutch
Anon ,   Netherlands   (08.12.05)
There are plenty of Dutch people who hate autochtoon (non-Dutch) in general. Minister Verdonk is one of them. If your government is leading by example, the country is sure to follow.
21. Answer to anon Netherlands
Yaakov ,   Netherlands   (08.25.05)
Although you say rightly that many Dutch do indeed hate allochtonen ( non Dutch) it does not mean that this is a majority. I am an allochtone ( non Dutch) Jew myself . I have many non Jewish Dutch friends. I have only non Jewish Dutch colleagues. In my personal experience, the Dutch are apalled at whatever they percieve to be racist. Sometimes they are wrong in this. Sometimes radical Islamists get protected from scrutiny for all the wrong reasons. But, this clip was widely criticised. There was not a single serious reporter, why not even in the rag press, that did not condemn it. I do not agree that the country will follow suit if Minister Verdonk leads people to hate others. FWIW I dont even think she is telling people to hate others. She is doing what most European governments are doing and thats tightening immigration laws. When it comes to freedom of speech even The Netherlands has its limits. It does not allow denial of the Shoah for example in public. Nor does Germany even for that matter. The only country that I know that allows this in the name of freedom of speech is the USA. Note that most neo nazi sites are hosted in the USA. The Dutch government asked the USA in vain may I add to remove the site of a Dutch racist organization which ( this was an illegal criminal organization for that matter) had its hate propaganda on the internet and hosted under free speech liberty in the USA. The USA is the best country in the world towards Jews outside of Israel. Yet it allows such nazi sites to exist under freedom of speech. This "allowing" which the US government does, has no reflection in the great American people who support Israel more than any other country. So to be honest I think your comment about the Netherlands following suit after the example of a cabinet minister is rather patronizing of the Dutch people. A people whom I have found to be well and able to think for themselves. With peace, Yaakov
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