The extremist Afrikaans thugs in South Africa also attempted to set up their own mini-state there when the Apartheid regime collapsed. Settlers are the same, the world over, be it S.Africa, Algeria, Kenya, Rhodesia, the West Bank or Gaza; they always attempt to cling on to their ill-gotten gains as they are unable to face up to the horror of having to do an honest days work for themselves without cheap labour at 6 euro a day, government hand-outs and the licence to treat everyone apart from themselves as subhumans.

Could someone tell me please how to contact these folks to send them money, food, and arms to help support their efforts? Thanks Ed

and now look at s. africa, it is still apartheid, no?

Well if it is'nt our ignorant commentator again.You really are stubborn are'nt you?Your'e always airing your one way opinions,to which you know absolutely nothing.I don't suppose you have ever even left spelthorn,where ever that may be,How can ANYBODY be so stupid?But I suppose your being English?it's not surprising re your anti- semitism,what do you know about South africa ,and the rest of the african states?Take a look at English History first before you condemn other nations,and you will see that your past is not a garden of roses.So allyour jabber about "GOUVERNMENT HAND OUTS,AND LICENCE TO TREAT EVERY ONE APART FROM THEMSELVES AS SUBHUMANS,is not far from your own history.

AS an Ex-South African i must ask, on what planet are you living on. And let me guess, you think south africans still run around in animal skins with bows and arrows?

I suggest that you send them either to Sde Eleyahu Jail or the USA. These seem to be the two main places these people are headed...........

your comment is too vague to understand your meaning.

Don't states have stuff like land and laws? I don't think the settlers in Gaza have either. It's about time they realize their little fantasy world is over and get out. I think the ones that cause trouble should be facing serious prison time for endangering troops, we are at war aren't we? How pathetic is this 'independent authority', they're reaching for the starts now. It's quite embarassing for Israel.

not being an Israeli citizen and unfamiliar with the true situation, I cannot comment either way. However, it is my understanding that the settlements were once encouraged by the government. This would be tantamount to the governemnt forcibly evicting you from your home to give land to American Indians or Mexicans. Note that an eminent domain law has passed here in the USA, meaning that our property can be seized. Be carefule what you wish for because what goes around comes around (let's hope not). Again I don't know enough to judge the settlement situation, but it is my understanding that the settlements were once encouraged by the same governemnt that is disowning them now. Only time will tell if this is just another disaster a la Oslo.

Retreat baby retreat, get out of palestine, we have no place for homeless and thieves, no body like you, no one want you, retreat baby retreat Salam

FYI, just because I'm in Boston doesn't mean I'm an American, I'm from Tel Aviv. Whether they were encouraged or not is of no matter, they need to be removed for diplomatic purposes and the settlers are too selfish and greedy to understand anyone's needs outside of their own, fundamental and extremist views. They have nothing to offer to Israel and yet they jeopardize so many of their people's livelyhood.

You certainly are snitty, aren't you Alex? How is anybody supposed to know where you're from, why so indignant. This must be the famous Israeli attitude I've heard about. Make alyia...no thanks. You say it doesn't matter that the government encouraged them? Frankly, you do not seem to very understanding yourself. Time will tell if this is Oslo all over again.

How was Oslo such a blunder? Seriously, wake up! Oslo was the best diplomatic event that could've happened for Israel, we made them an all-out offer, practically begging for peace and they rejected it!!! How on earth is that bad for us? It worked out like clockwork, we came out as the good guys for once (even though some terrorist extremist assasinated him). Stop referring to it as this major blunder and setback. And FYI, this too will be a good thing for Israel. What you people are failing to understand are the international diplomatic implications of our actions which ultimately dictate the quality of life we live and our relationships with our "allies". Stop viewing things with such a narrow focus and closed mind.

How was Oslo such a blunder? How on earth is that bad? Well...do you recall the stories of Israeli heads rolling down the street, unprecedented homicide attacks against innocent civilians, especially young women and children, bombings of seders, etc. But the Oslo agreement also had international diplomatic implications and look what happened. You should practice what you preach about having a narrow focus and closed mind. Your position is that Oslo was absolutely fantastic and there is no possibility of negative ramifications from this betrayal. Your point regarding the positive international response is duly noted, and time will tell if the reaction will be the same as the last attempt (Oslo). Hopefully you are correct and all will go well, but if there are victims in the future as a result (as from Oslo), let it be on your head. Again, if you are living in New York, then you are occupying Indian tribal land, and the only reason you are there is because the USA has mercilessly crushed the native resistance. We in the USA, or France, England, Spain, etc, would never tolerate or bargain with terrorists, why should Israel? The savage terror that resulted from the Oslo agreement really bothered me, and it is difficult to understand how you can say that it worked "like clock work". You state that "we came out as good guys for once", but every time a terrorist attack is not answered with an iron fist makes Israel look good. Finally you take pride that Israel was "begging for peace", which is a weak position indeed, to beg. Beggardly Israel grovels for international good. Have you heard the sad story of how how dogs are food in asia, and will be tied to a stake and still lick the hand of their master? Just because Israel begs and grovels will not change the mission of those sworn to her destruction.

The whole thing about Americans "occupying" Native American's land is such an outdated and pointless argument; for one good reason. In the 16 & 1700's, Western morality and respect for human life was comparable to where the bar is set for middle eastern countries who take death lightly and abuse their women etc etc. So to compare what's going on today with the slaughter of the entire native population in north america is irrelevant. You are right when you say that other Western countries do not negotiate with terrorists. However, if those terrorists were the native people who originally inhabited the land, but weren't completely destroyed, the whole environment has now changed. Euro's and Americans sympathize with the Pal cause because they are an oppressed people living in cages, occupied by one of the greatest military forces of our time, who occassionally shoot rock-throwing children. There are endless reasons for anti-Israeli sentiment and the extremists who push those detrimental forces are the cause of international pressure and anger with us. Granted, I was exagerating when I said Oslo worked like 'clockwork', but ultimately it was a good thing for our reputation. It proved we were willing to negotiate and they rejected us. As far as 'begging for peace', you take such offense and compare us to starving, chained up dogs? The significance is that we don't HAVE TO BEG for anything. We could wipe them off the face of the map along with Egypt and Jordan with the push of a few buttons and the advantage of surprise. It's the fact that we have such superior power but are willing to set aside our pride in the name of peace, in the name of genuine morality to save lives that the Western world admires that type of gesture. It's your attitude that perpetuates the conflict. You will be the one offended when Hamas dances in the streets of Gaza celebrating the "evacuation" and "retreat" of Israeli troops. Who cares what they do? We know it wasn't an evacuation and we know our military capabilities, why so eager to prove it to anyone. We need to focus on Israel and our relationships with the Western world and stop sinking into the moral quicksand of the middle east, this he-said she-said nonsense needs to stop.

Alex admit: "Granted, I was exagerating when I said Oslo worked like 'clockwork',..." In other words, oh Alex, you have conceded defeat in this arguement. It wasn't an exageration...it was simply wrong and you admit it and are now eating your words. Alex further blathers: "It's your attitude that perpetuates the conflict...." Ales may also retract the above statement as well. While admitting defeat and retracting his words, alex is not smart enough to when to stop atacking a superior opponent. Alex assumes that he knows what I think and draws invalid conclusions based upon his fantastic delusions of of who I am or what I think. When you point your finger look where the other four are pointing. Hint: you have retracted your words, and now if you might take time to ruminate on your errorenous words, which reflect your erroneous thoughts, rather than continue to falsely accuse others when you should realize where you are to blame. How do you explain that after the Oslo agreement, an unprecedented wave of terror resulted? You do not know my position, rather you know not of what you speak, and launch verbal assualts based upon sheer ignorance. Alex, frankly you bore me, you have done very little to support you points, I could do better myself. Yes, indeed, I do consider all sides of the equation because I am interested in getting at the truth, not proving that I am correct. It would please me no end to be proved wrong because I only want the terror to stop. The deed is done and only time will tell if gd forbid new will results as after Oslo. If so, what would you say then, oh alex.

Furhtermore, Alex tries to negate the American Indian holocaust by saying that since it happened long ago it is somehow invalid. The mideast conflict also has a long history, and the pals are blood thirsty barabrians. Note that the western countries have had to use some real barbaric methods in modern times just to survive. Alex will also retract his statement that the American holocaust is invalid and dosen't matter. Whew! You are incorrect to intonate that all Americans and Euros sympathise with the pals (or Indians for that matter). What do you mean the pals live in "cages"? They are walled-off because they are homicidal maniacs. Israel would be delighted to be friends with them if they stopped the jihad. Don't forget that those rock throwing "children" also blow-up school busses ,etc. You state that there are "endless reasons for anti-Israeli sentiment", and how the "extremests" are the cause of the trouble, but fail to support the statement. Your moralistic preaching about how showing the world how good Israel is, then the world will like Israel. You are quite simply wrong, and you should retract. FYI, the western world is not all noble and kind, but I won't waste the time explainig what you should already know. Israel cannot wipe them off of the face of the earth because they are being restraing by people like you, and other countries that have an interest in OIL, and a deep rooted hatred of Jews. Look at the history of western countries and you will see that they are not saints by any stretch. Your idea that showing the world that Israel is noble and kind will end the terror attacks is really a delusion. Please explain how after Oslo the terror increased, how the even handed response iof Israel to horrific attacks has not garnered world sympathy. The fact is that many, many, many people absolutely despise Jews and Israel and their hatred will not be tempered by acts of kindness which are really signs of weakness. During the holocaust, there were those that assured the Jews that nothig will happen if they show moral decency, and see how many died. Israel is final stand of the decimated Jewish people. Nice words will not save them, but an iron fist will. You must admit that it is the strong military that has prevented Israel from being raped, not kind sickly sweet moralizers like you. You sound as if you actually sympathise with the murderous pals and denigrate Israel. Even after Oslo, dense people fail to learn. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing again and again without success.