Anarchy in Gaza Strip
Ali Waked, Gaza
Published: 12.09.05, 13:14
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1. Good for them
Eyal ,   israel   (09.12.05)
I hope they manage thier territory well. If not, if they turn to violence, they will burn.
2. They live in poverty
Sean ,   S.Africa   (09.12.05)
What do you expect? Make people live in squalor and they will grab whatever they can. Look at New Orleans and learn the lesson of equality. This is the "let them eat cake" legacy of the settlements. We should be ashamed
3. peace
gus ,   australia   (09.12.05)
What people are doing in Gaza is really sad but sometimes things need to become worse in order to be better. Let us all hope this will be the beginning of a new path to peace. Hopefully the economic situation will improve so Hamas and the likes will vanish or be uprooted. Poverty, not religion, is the opium of the poor.
4. They live in poverty
marlene ,   Israel   (09.12.05)
Reply to No. 2. No one made them live in squalor. They have squandered millions and millions of dollars donated to them. Israel started off also as desert and look at it today. Maybe if their kids went to school, got educated and did some honest work they might get somewhere. Stop feeling sorry for them ,they have no discipline and no respect for anything, anybody or themselves
5. to Sean
Raykie ,   Israel   (09.12.05)
Your referents aren't quite clear, Sean. Who are "we" that should be ashamed? You say that you are in South Africa; so how are you responsible for the poverty of the Palestinians? Are you a member of Arafat's administration that absorbed all the donations by the UN and the US and any other U and funneled it all into their own bank accounts without using it to better the lives of the people it was intended for? You sound as if you are superficiality politically correct with no underlying background.
6. Mango
Ariel ,   Jerusalem   (09.12.05)
Eat our mango, Pals, eat them quick! Another crop would not come in any forseeable future.
7. Re: They live in poverty
David Mc Williams ,   United States   (09.12.05)
Palestine? Until recently, I can't find any independent nation called Palestine on a map. What is being calledPalestine, was recently part of Jordan/Egypt, then League of Nations mandate under British control, tbfore that part of the Ottoman Empire. If people are, after 60 years, still living in "refugee" camps, poverty; it is because the arab nations that "care" for the Palestinian cause see it as another tool to press their anti-Isreal agenda. Here in the USA, we had refugees that fled Vietnam, Cambodia, Loas; and they have been absorbed into our society after far less than 30 years (probably 10-13 years) - why can't the "caring" arab nations do the same? Because they see the Palestinian cause as a another tool to press their anti-Isreal agenda.
8. Poverty............
Adam ,   Manchester UK   (09.12.05)
In response to Sean's email and confimring some earlier responses. Arafat had a personal fortune amassed in Swiss Bank Accounts of over $100m at the most conservative of estimates. His wife and daughter lived in the opulance of Paris with an income of $100k per month of money donated to the Palestinian people's development from the EU, USA and UN. The corruption of the old regime is well known in the 'occupied territories' but he and his chronies were/are so powerful that the ordinary Palestinian will not challenge them. The dwellings dont compare to the South African shanty towns. Also, a lot of Palestinians have money, education etc. In fact it is the educated ones, of privilage and go to university that carry out many of the suicide bombings. Finally the fact that suicide bombings exist makes movement of trade/labour etc very difficult and adds to the problem. Israel has a proportion of 'blame' but the vast majority lay with the Arabs/Palestinians themselves.
9. Barbarians
Isac ,   Florida   (09.12.05)
Isn't it amazing to see the Arabs being Barbarians throughout the Middle East. Look at Iraq and Gaza, you see all the same barbaric scenes. No dignity, no respect. Now we gonna hear again some "smart" statements from fancy dressed Palestinian PR people, claiming that Israel has to be blamed for those ugly mob scenes.
10. Why should we be ashamed?
Gil ,   Tel Aviv   (09.12.05)
Don't be such a weak naive fool to think we should be ashamed! The Palestinians were made to live in poverty by their own grossly wealthy Arab "brothers" in Saudi Arabia and the rest of the ridiculously wealthy Arab nations. Why should Israel be blamed for that? The factual history of Gaza includes Jewish communities that lived there prior to 1948 and were forced out by the Egyptians in that year. Don't forget that it was only taken over by Israel in 1967. Selective memories seem to be the way amongst the bleeding heart 38 year brain capacities of the left wing.
Linda Rivera ,   New York   (09.12.05)
Jerusalem was NEVER the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity. JERUSALEM IS MENTIONED OVER 800 TIMES IN THE BIBLE, not once in the Koran. Around 1948, Arabs violently ETHNICALLY CLEANSED about one million Jews from Arab countries. Arab governments seized the land, homes, bank accounts, businesses and assets of the Jews. Most of the Jewish refugees fled to Israel. THERE MUST NOW BE A JUST SETTLEMENT FOR THE JEWISH REFUGEES AND THEIR DESCENDANTS-COMPENSATION IN LAND AND FINANCES. In 1922, Britain illegally gave MOST OF PALESTINE-80% TO THE ARABS. The area became Jordan, giving the Arabs an Arab Palestinian state on JEWISH land. IT WAS ETHNICALLY CLEANSED OF JEWS. This area is part of ancient, Biblical Israel, and along with present-day Israel, including Judea, Samaria, Gaza and the Golan was recognized by the League of Nations as the Jewish homeland. In 1948, Egypt invaded Gaza and ethnically cleansed ALL Jews. In 1948, Jordan invaded Judea-Samaria (West Bank) and east Jerusalem and ETHNICALLY CLEANSED ALL JEWS. Jordan, opposing G-D DESTROYED 58 synagogues in Jerusalem. In 1967 when Israel won Islam's religious war of aggression against it, Jews returned to the areas of their homeland they had been ethnically cleansed from for 19 years. Islamofascists DECEITFULLY call this return "occupation". Under international law, territories are considered "occupied" only when taken in an act of aggression which does not apply to Israel. Judea, Samaria and Gaza are not 'occupied territories' according to international law because they were not taken from any foreign sovereign. ALL of the Jewish land, homes, properties and businesses stolen from the Jews in the 1948 Islamic invasion must be returned to the Jews IMMEDIATELY.
12. Palestinians are barbarians and don' t derserve a State
Accessol, ,   Spelthorne, England   (09.12.05)
13. Are you happy Ynet?
14. living in poverty
Michael ,   Austin, Tx USA   (09.12.05)
I've read that Israel offered to build (at Israel's expense) decent housing for the pals and it was always refused. they were making some sick "political" statement by living in squalor. I feel sorry for people who have no options, no real means of improving their lives. but the pals seem to prefer to live in squalor. that's sick.
15. their fruits, their land????
ibn pepunak ,   israel   (09.12.05)
the mango was planted in netzarim, by jewish hands - in what was a jewish settelment. i ask - how u can call it our fruit? remember el harish. when it was in jewish hands, it was a flourished city, when it came to egyptian hands, it became a dessert. what will happen to gaza strip? very clearly it will become a dessert as el harish. the palestinians do not want their our country, they want what the jewish people have - without working to achive it. you know what they will say now? the jewish people are bad, they left us with the sand, they didint gave us the green lands. nothing grows in the dessert. but the true is, nothing will grow if you do not plant and do the effort. good bye netzarim good bye kfar darom. im sad for all the blood spilled to keep a blossom in the desert that will become again just sand, dead sand in a dead dream for a peace that will never come
16. See this George Bush!
Sam ,   BerSheva   (09.12.05)
17. The Barbarian occupation
bradly ,   Tempe, AZ   (09.12.05)
For Isac what do you call 38 year of barbarian occupation of other people, huiliating them daily... oh, forgot that you are an American... how many Indians were killed so that you live????
18. Sharon is right
Merrill ,   New York, NY   (09.12.05)
And the left wants to make peace with these barbarians? Sharon is right: leave Gaza, consolidate some of the West Bank, build the wall and strike hard if they attack us. They only understand and respect the force
Linda Rivera ,   New York   (09.12.05)
There NEVER was an Arab country of Palestine. Jerusalem was NEVER the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity. JERUSALEM IS MENTIONED OVER 800 TIMES IN THE BIBLE, not once in the Koran. Arabs FIRST took the name “Palestinians” in 1967. Arafat was the FIRST leader of this NEW PEOPLE. Before 1948, Jews were known as the Palestinians! The Jewish newspaper, the Jerusalem Post was called the Palestine Post. After the Jews miraculously transformed desert and swamps into rich, agricultural land (for which Jews are world famous!) Arabs came in large numbers from Arab countries for jobs from the Jews. The fact that the overwhelming majority of Arabs resided only briefly in Palestine is attested to by the special UN decree: that any Arab who had resided in Palestine FOR ONLY TWO YEARS BEFORE 1948, and then left, would be considered a refugee and so would his descendants!!! On March 31, 1977, Dutch newspaper Trouw published an interview with PLO executive committee member Zahir Muhsein: “The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct “Palestinian people” to oppose Zionism. For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan.”
20. Not surprising at all
Sarah ,   Israel   (09.12.05)
They are barbarians. We should never have left them anything to burn. Not the first time that they have destroyed religious buildings and won't be the last. Remember when they destroyed the burial place of Joseph.
21. They wanted to raize the synagog but they outsourced the job
Benjamin ,   london   (09.12.05)
22. No Sean, you should be ashamed
Letue   (09.12.05)
Nobody makes these people live in squalor. Nobody made the people of New Orleans live in squalor. They chose that for themselves and it is you who should be ashamed for excusing barbaric behavior.
23. You need to be quiet Bradly
Letue   (09.12.05)
How many Indians were killed so that I could live? Hmmm....NONE! Get over your self already.....your argument is in need of work.
24. Sean Says
Sean ,   SA   (09.12.05)
When I was last in Gush Katif before the evacuation I covered the death of several palestinian "hothouse" workers. Working for the settlers they lived in the middle of the Gush in a garbage dump. They were paid next to nothing. And when the settler who ran the hothouses was asked the names of the men who had died he said that he didnt know their names. The settlers treated those palestinians like dirt. To them they were nameless labourers who deserved to live in trash doing the dirty jobs the settlers refused to do. Once again: Look at New Orleans and learn the lesson of equality. Look at South Africa and learn the lessons of forgiveness and peace. We [us Jews; who lived in the ghettoes and flew up the chimney stacks like so much smoke] should be ashamed. We should know better; we must always be better than the barbarians or we become just like them. Maybe that's what the right wants- hmmm??? Kill kill kill hate hate hate die die die. Maybe you have become barbarians?
25. To 24
Shai ,   Israel   (09.13.05)
Your comments are lacking context.. 1) Gaza wasn't nirvana before the Jews were there either. 2) The squalor was enforced on the Palestinians by the Palestinians. WHen two Israeli governments tried to provide better living conditions, those who wanted to avail themselves of it were threatened by others who felt that doing so would be accepting that they are not returning to where they came from before they were refugees. It's not like Israel did not try, though. 3) Palestinains aren't Israeli citizens, they are our enemies. In SA, they were citizens and enemies. In New Orleans, they were neither. Here they are both enemies and not citizens. You can't compare. 4) The "enemy" status is as much the fault of Palestinians as it is of Israelis. You can't expect us to be pals with Pals who more than anything else want us dead. Because of something we've done? No. It's a matter of principle for them, as enshrined as the '67 boundaries and the removal of every last Israeli building from Gaza. Our living on this land makes us worthy, in their eyes, of a death sentence. So don't bleed for us, Sean of SA - you hardly knew us.
26. Arabs never ownend the land.
Daisy ,   USA   (09.13.05)
The Jews got land that was empty and disputed territory. The Jews had owned the land thousands of years ago and it did belong to them!
27. Ignore Sean, he is a member of tthe errorist group Ism.
Daisy ,   USA   (09.13.05)
28. Yisrael
Kameli ,   Christchurch NZ   (12.22.05)
The promised land belongs to ALL Yisrael from both houses of Yahudah and Ephraim only and no other Nation under earth. Giving away any part of it is a crime and a sin that shall not go UN-PUNISHED.
29. This has nothing to do with anarchy
jones ,   united states   (07.11.08)
why does this say anarchy in the gaza strip it has nothing to do with anarchy at all anarchys a great form of goverment not a violent behavior
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