Sweden was not occupied or had any Jews killed but it still deals with what happened in the Shoah and the average Swede leans about the holocaust and identifies them with its own heroes eg Roal Wallenburg. Britain had heroes who saved Jews too like Sir Nicholas Winton who saved hundreds of Czech children. Maybe they can be used as examples to educate. Just because we werent occupuied and only the channel islands lost its small jewish population doesnt mean we cant teach or identify with it. Its Muslims like this, these sorts of 'advisors' is why the Muslim population in the UK is more alienation, feared and even hated by the average Briton. Instead of intergrating like the Jews, Sikhs, Blacks, Hindus and practically any other minority in the UK today.

The real motive behind the advice of the commitee's members to cancel Holocaust day is not, as they call it, the "feeling of alienation" it creates among British-Moslems. The killing of millions of Jews in gas chambres or concentration camps, their degradation to a level of sub-human people just beause of their faith, is ungraspable to a person with a rational mind. The commitee's advice is a part of the Moslems campaign to delegitimize the Jewish state of Israel. They know very well that the world's recognition of the Jewish state comes mainly from the occurance of this tragedy. Hence their efforts to compare Israel and the Israeli army to Nazism. Marking the Holocaust every year reminds them why the Jews need a state of their own in their historic homeland. In a way, I feel pity for them, beacause as we all know, the truth might be painful.

Regarding the rescinding of Holocaust Day in Britain because the Muslims may be offended. First of all, who speaks for the Muslims? And what would be offensive to the Muslims about it? Second? How could anyone draw the conclusion that Jewish lives have more value than Muslim lives because of this commemoration of the planned extermination (and it was planned, not committed out of passion or self-defense) of 6 million law abiding citizens who had been living for generations in the countries where this took place. If anyone does have the lack of intelligence and sensitivity to make such an accusation, shouldn’t we define what genocide is. Although all murder is reprehensible, civilization makes the distinction between different kinds of killing: killing animals for food and clothing, killing some animals for sport, killing human beings in times of conflicts in wars between two countries and killing in self-defense. In all fairness, the Palestinians are not being exterminated as a plan to destroy their identity but in response to their bombing and killing of civilians in Israel and other places in the world. Whether the response is unnecessary or too much, is a subject for another debate, but in principal it is in response and done with a desire to stop the killing and not to exterminate the Palestinian people. Also, there are other countries, even a Palestinian country (Jordan) who would have, should have and have sometimes actually taken members of the Palestinian people in. And also, in this case, the Palestinians have not acted as law-abiding citizens going by the rules of the country they live in, supporting it and serving in its army. The opposite, they have vowed to destroy it. The Jews did not vow destruction of they countries they lived in or make any threats towards Germany or any other European country. The Chechnyans. They have been part of Russia and decided they want to break off and form a country of their own. They do this by taking children as hostages, blowing up schools and theaters and public places. No one would have troubled to put any kind of violence against them if they had sat quietly and behaved as citizens. Even if they had protested and worked towards independence, without violence, no one still would have exterminated them. This is not genocide. This, again, is self-defense. And again, the argument may be overreaction, too strong, but nonetheless, it is self-defense. The Armenians were systematically exterminated by the Turks, as were the Kurds by the Iraqis, and Chinese in the forming of the Republic of China were also exterminated by their own kind, and Russians were exterminated by Stalin, and Rwandans, all citizens of their respective countries. Not one of these people has complained about Holocaust Day. Maybe there should be a Genocide Day for the peoples in the world. But for the true victims, not those who decide to act violently on their own political beliefs and hates. I also think that given Britain’s longstanding record of anti-Semitism, they should be more worried about the reactions of Jews in their country and the world, then the imagined reactions of Muslims.

Sitting here in the warm London sunshine, I sense a little chill in the air. In this country where I was born, there are people who resent bitterly and sometimes violently, the presence and freedom of those "different" to themselves. Some Moslems are taking this line ... woe betide us all if they succeed.

Aharon, I advice you to go and read T"he Holocaust Industry" by Norman Finkelstein a son of Holocaust survivors.

There has never been a genocide against muslims. Yet, the Muslims are so full of rage because of their hostile upbringing that they even object to the observance of the memory of the 6000,000 who were systematically slaughtered by the nazis as the world looked on with indifference. I'm not surprised that a country such as England with its history of antisemitism including the expusion of the Jews and the horror of the leftist incitement against Israel would consider this.

The fact that he book "The Holocaust Industry" was written by a self-hating Jew doesn't mean he is right. Let's talk about plain facts: millions of people lost their lives, families, and their properties in one of the biggest human tragedies. There are many cases in which money will never heal the pain, the mental and physical damages. Moreover, you may be surprised to know that there are many holocaust survivers in Israel who live in d poverty. Your attempt to present the Jews as greedy is ugly and pathetic. But of course, the corrupt Arab regimes, or even the late Plalestinian leader, Yassir Arafat, who stole 800 million dollrs from his peoplea and handed them to his beloved Suha are pure angles. It's a great pity you don't understand the meaning of the Holocaust and the reasons for it outbreak. Any society that wants to keep itself healthy should memorize it, regardless of the Jewish people. The European countries know this. It's a great pity the Arab world (which had not been anti-Semitic before the start of the Palestinian-Israeli dispute) doesn't get it.

awful deaths, painful- the problem with holocaust day is, it only seems to recognize that jews died. my own uncles were in camps under the japs- brutally tortured-for 4 years- starved- taht is the issue- he lack of recongnition for the 55 million others that died, sufferred, were raped, beaten- property stolen. I dont see why the jews DONT recognize others pain. I have always wondered this about the jews.

So Britain was the only country to have fought in WW2 without being conquered? Are we meant to draw the conclusion that the United States did not participate in the fighting or was the US conquered? BTW anything organised by Maxwell would have never been Kosher.

How can you write such a naive statement? Jews recognise well the suffering and sacrifice of others, however all those who died as POW's or on the Battle field, were raped, pillaged etc, were victims of the war itself. The six million Jews were victims of a machinery of hate to destroy them as a nation and religion. All victims of war are remembered when we acknowledge the anniversary of WWII. Your statement is a reflection of your underlying anti-semitic beliefs or pure ignorance, or maybe you just choose to be ignorant to write such drivel.

Being stupid is bad enough but being a stupid bigot is the worst. Listen you idiot, every innocent person killed by the nazis or the Japanese during WW2 was a tragedy. Memorial Day in the US is to honor the sacrifices of the brave servicemen who were killed in the War. Other countries also have observances for the victims of the nazis and the Japanese fascists. What you do not have is either the IQ or the emotional intelligence to understand is that the Jews were targeted for extermination by the nazis and almost all of the Jews in Nazi occupied Europe were slaughteredfor no other reason except being Jewish. 2000,000 Jewish Children and babies were slaughtered by sadistic Germans and their allies. All the while, people that think like you did nothing to save the babies or actually betrayed them to the nazis. Keep wondering about the Jews because you need a psychiatrist for your brain and an exorcist for your soul.

Yes, you have the facts, but unfortunately, you do not understand their meaning. Yes, 60 million people had died in WWII, some died in combat, some in prisoner of war camps, some starved to death, as a result of the war, some were bombed in their homes, and then, some were deliberately rounded up, and murdered in organized, deliberate actions, requiring the participation of the entire state apparatus, cooperation of the industry, local population and churches – that was the killing of the Jews, the so called Holocaust. It is not even that the German wanted to kill German Jews; they wanted to eradicated ALL Jews in the world, -- eradicate in a systematic, well- planned way the entire people. And they succeeded to a large extend. As a result of the Holocaust, the entire Jewish culture has disappeared in Europe, especially Central and Eastern Europe –people, religion, language, literature, arts, everything. This was Holocaust -- almost total destuction of people and their culture. Nazis didn't just wage an exclusive war against Jews, but their early treatment of Jews in Germany, in the 30s, should had been an early warning to the Europeans and the US, what kind of danger Nazi ideology represented. Should Europeans had reacted to the increasingly inhuman treatment of Jews in Germany, the war might not have happened, the Holocaust would have not happened and 60 million people would not have lost their lives. That's the lesson everybody should learn from Holocaust. I read someplace, recently, that anti-Semitism is a form of mental disease, irrational and self-destructive. History proves this point. Not understanding the lessons of the Holocaust can be deadly today, ignoring and excusing virulent anti-Semitism turned out to be deadly before. Look around you to see who is it that so violently opposes any mention of Holocaust and listen very carefully to ALL their other views. It is not surprising, that those who spout those anti-Semitic views, in the next breath scream “death to America” and as a follow up, slit the throat (or excuse the act) of the Dutch filmmaker they don’t like, set the bombs in Spain and London and threaten everybody who disagrees with their views. And look, who is marching together with them – red and black, together responsible for even far greater number of dead than 60 million. Remember, before the Russian children were slaughtered in their school, the Israeli children were slaughtered in Maalot; and before the bombs exploded at the disco in Bali, killing Ausralian tourists, discos and Pizza places were being blown up in Israel, and before the mad bombers murdered thousands in New York, Spain and London, Israeli busses were being blown up. Long before 9/11, Israelis had to live with the same murderous terrorism and I firmly believe that all those who’d lost their lives in NY, Madrid and London would have been still alive if only the World had said collectively “NO” and acted against Arab terrorism when, if not the first, at least the second bomb exploded in Israel. So you see, learning the lessons from the Holocaust is in the end not really about honoring dead Jews so much as it is about preserving our own lives today and those of our children.

The fact that eliminating Holocaust Memorial day is the main priority of British Muslims should be the issue that is given the most attention. How low can Muslims go?

That were arrested and taken from there homes and put in camps- only because they were dutch.

Are you suggesting that the germans had a plan to annihilate all Dutch in the world? Yes, civillians were killed in huge numbers in WWII and usually in all wars, but your innability to understand the difference between Holocaust and those other atrocities of war is willful.

UK do not feel guilty creating the partition line berween India and Pakistan and the Kashmir problem ?

Maybe it´s for all our best if europe denied the shoa and lay down flat for the muslem minorities in their socities. maybe that would lead to that every jew in the rest of the world moves back home to Israel and creating a big and strong society without any inbreeded arabs or soft-headed gojim in it? Soon that will be the only possible option for jews outside Israel due to the day-to-day growing problem of an increasing muslem impact on the western world. toda ve letraot!

Good point about the partitioning of India. It has been said that western intervention (ostensibly for oil) is a major factor in the war. Notice that although India lost an enormous chunk of land, India is not a terrorist country. Note that the common denominator in terrorism is muslims. In India, Israel, Russia, Spain, France, the UK, etc, it is always muslims causing grief. If the UK had never partitioned India would the muslims be terrorizing today anyway? My answer is yes, they would have found other reasons to hate. Your admonition for the partition India is worthy of merit, but does not expunge the muslims for their uniquely reprehensible behavior.

Good point about the partitioning of India. It has been said that western intervention (ostensibly for oil) is a major factor in the war. Notice that although India lost an enormous chunk of land, India is not a terrorist country. Note that the common denominator in terrorism is muslims. In India, Israel, Russia, Spain, France, the UK, etc, it is always muslims causing grief. If the UK had never partitioned India would the muslims be terrorizing today anyway? My answer is yes, they would have found other reasons to hate. Your admonition for the partition India is worthy of merit, but does not expunge the muslims for their uniquely reprehensible behavior.

When will all of you realise no matter,outside of Israel, Jewish blood is cheap. That`s why the world looked the other way when 6 million of our bretheren were murdered. Don`t forget that also wiped out future generations. Will the Muslims of the UK suggest that the holocaust day include muslim murder of muslims ? I think not.

Mustn't upset the poor dear Muslims but who cares if one dises the Jews. Jewish sensibilities have never mattered not to Britain or even to those in US.

There are no grounds to make this assertion of the UK adopting an alienated attitude to the holocaust. I grew up in the UK during the 60s and 70s and we were taught about it in history lessons in school. The point is that from Britain's point of view there was so much else going on at the same time - the struggle to survive in 1940 in the Battle of Britain, the bombs and the London Blitz, the D-Day invasion, activity in the Far East etc.etc. People were dying in the streets of British cities. Did they have time to think about Auschwitz? But it was NEVER ignored - people realized that if they lost the war that would happen in the UK too. We weren't alienated - we just had our own problems to deal with such as survival.

The problem isn't Muslims, or Islam. The problem is the redical Islamic Fundamentalist interpretation of the Q'uran as applied by Wabism, a unique and virulently anti-semitic and anti-western dogma fashioned in Saudi Arabia in the last century. Blaming all Muslims ( or all of Islam ) is like saying that all Christians are barbaric neo-conservative, idiots savant, simply because there is a movement within their ranks with a leader and their own Network ( in this country, it's the Republican party and George W Bush "leading" them, with Fox News providing the coverage). It's not that much further removed from the anti-semitism that we are trying to eradicate. ANY broad blanketing of a group because of what a minority who CLAIM membership may do or say is just as reprehensible. Try to keep an open mind when you look at the facts of the matter, and don't just whipsaw off some remark without using the intelligence you do possess first.

As a brazilian agnostic, I must admit the remembrance of the holocaust hurts me deeply. The first reason is that I believe I have "sephardic new christian blood" in my veins. However, I also have american indian blood in my veins as well. Nobody cares about the holocaust of the north and south american indians after the european "discovery" of 1492. Nobody cares about the holocaus of Rwanda. Nobody remembers the holocaus of the armenias under the turks, neither the holocaust of aborigenes in Tasmania, Australia. There have always been holocausts, since Cartagho was absolutely destroyed by Rome. Unfortunately, human kind is so full of holocausts, one needs just to know history to realize that although the jewish people suffered heavily -alongside homosexuals, gipsies and others in the Shoah - only the jews seem to be remmbered. Why? Do the jewish people own a monopoly over suffering throughout history? Why aren´t the other holocausts - and the other people or groups who suffered similar tragedies in the sad history of ALL humans - never mentioned, never remembered? Why should the jewish holocaust be the only one to be remembered? Are jews "better", more worthy of remebrance than than aborigenes in tasmania or tutsis in Rwanda? If there is a holocaust remembrance day, it should not be for the jewish victims alone. It should include all other victims. There is not 1 single aborigene in Tasmania left, was that a holocaust or not? Should they be remembered by the british who actually killed them? Why should the british remeber the jews killed by the germans but not the tasmanians the killed themselves? Why are homosexuals and gipsies not remembered? Do the jewish victims have a monopoly over suffering? Is it because the western world´s media is largely controlled by jews, that others are forgotten? Are the jews who died in the Shoah better than the aborigenes who died under the british in Tasmania(not 1 single was left)? Are they more worthy of remebrance than the tutsis in Rwanda? More worthy of remembrance than the homosexuals and gipsies killed by the nazis alongside the jews? Do the jewish people "own" a monopoly of suffering in history? How about the others? Were thy humans at all? Are they worthy of remembrance days like the jews ?

the gestapo= had camps all throughout the east indies- where the dutch were living. arrested from there homes.

What's your point?

No, never in history of the world there has been a modern, culturally advanced country setting as its main goal the eradication of the entire ethnic group (note that even converts to Christianity were also included.) That country put its industry, science and entire state apparatus to the task of killing Jews brought into the killing centers from every territory of which this country took control, and persuaded its allies to do the same. Transporting those civilians to the killing centers was even more important than transferring their own wounded soldiers from the front . It was not a fight for land, political power or the rule of mob, but a deliberate policy of total eradication of the entire people and their culture from the face of the earth – men, women, children were to be hunted down and killed to the very last one. And the worst part of it is, that the rest of the world, people just like you, who couldn’t understand why it was so wrong, looked the other way or actively helped the killers. In the end , however, everybody ended up paying the price. The total tally of Nazism and related "isms" in Italy, Romania, Croatia, Japan and Hungary, after 12 years, 13, if you add surrender of Japan, was 60 million dead. A very steep price to pay for something that perhaps could have been prevented. Rabid anti-Semitism never operates in a vacuum , but it is always a symptom of something warped and dangerous, that’s the lesson of the Holocaust, with capital “H”. Look around you and see who are the people today that are so much opposed to the commemoration of the Holocaust and what exactly do they believe. So, which part of the unique nature of the Holocaust don't you understand, and why?

Sir?Madam, The unique nature of the holocaust was not so unique as for the jews only. Please remember to include homosexuals and gypsies equally hunted by barbarian nazies systematically. If you do not include the others who suffered alongside the jews in the Holocaust, you risk people doing the same thing to you, by downplaying your pain.......just like you seem to downplay the horror inflicted to others in the Shoah itself. Please, allow me to quote Dr Israel Shahak, an holocaust survivor himself. I hope his words will enlighten your thoughts:.... ....."Therefore, the real test facing both Israeli and diaspora Jews is the test of their self-criticism which must include the critique of the Jewish past. The most important part of such a critique must be detailed and honest confrontation of the Jewish attitude to non-Jews. This is what many Jews justly demand from non-Jews: to confront their own past and so become aware of the discrimination and persecutions inflicted on the Jews. In the last 40 years the number of non-Jews killed by Jews is by far greater than the number of the Jews killed by non-Jews. The extent of the persecution and discrimination against non-Jews inflicted by the 'Jewish state' with the support of organized diaspora Jews is also enormously greater than the suffering inflicted on Jews by regimes hostile to the~ Although the struggle against antisemitism (and of all other forms of racism) should never cease, the struggle against Jewish chauvinism and exclusivism, which must include a critique of classical Judaism, is now of equal or greater importance." "Jewish History, Jewish Religion" Dr Israel Shahak (Holocaust survivor) I was born in 1963, Mr AK! Best wishes for you!

The issue is not about who died when or where.... YES there should be a rememberance of the holocaust because it exposes the evil nature of humanity esp. when the masses decide to blindly follow a leader regardless of the insanity that leader spouts into the world. When people do not question the authority figures in thier government and blindly follow them into hellish nightmares that cause the death of any group of people it is wrong!! THIS is why we remember the holocaust and also endevour in our own communities to begin rememberances for other peoples that have suffered because of evil people controlling the government. We speak out in unison against the Hitlers and other leaders that have hunted down and killed people for thier own political gain. If you are concerned for people that have died en masse....do you attend rememberances for them...do you approach the leaders in your governments and insist those peoples recieve retribution or rememberance in some way...do you take time out of your life and learn the cause /the root of the problem and try to make a difference so that it will not happen again? If not then you have no voice here!! THE REAL ISSUE IS THE CAUSE OF THE TERRORISM IN THE UK... and it has not one thing to do with the holocaust or the jewish people!!! TERRORISM IN THE UK IS CAUSED BY THIER FOREIGN POLICIES AND THE CHANGING FACE OF THE POPULATION RESIDING WITHIN THE UK IN THE PRESENT DAY. Do not buy the bait-and-switch tactics that is being bantered about, use your intellegence because the governments around the world are counting on the residents of thier countries to be side-tracked into non-issues so that they can get away with corrupt policies that hurt thier own citizens and citizens in other countries.

You as a Dutchmen must know that besides the memorial day of all the victims of the Second World War on the fourth of May, we have also a special memorial day of the WWII victims of the Dutch East Indies on the fifteenth of August. So from where comes your envy. Your uncles are remembered every year over and over again! (By the way, the camps where your uncles were detained were runned by the imperial Japanese army not by the Nazi-German Gestapo) There are two groups who never take responsibility for their actions or their words. The first ones are Islamic fundamentalists. The second ones are the extreme leftwing environmentalists/globalists Both are responsible for terror acts against human beings or their belongings and always act anonymously. Are you one of those? Not to introduce yourself, is a very rude thing to do. (especially in the FREE western world) Where are you affright of? Lafaard (= Coward in Dutch)