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October Riots case reexamined
Roee Nahmias
Published: 29.09.05, 09:33
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1. ARAB MUSLIM ISRAELI MOBS SHOUTED: DEATH TO THE JEWS
Linda Rivera ,   New York   (09.29.05)
JEWS MUST HAVE THE HUMAN RIGHT OF SELF DEFENSE. In 2000, treasonous Arab Muslim members of Israel's government along with the PA, incited to violence against Jews. It appears these Arab Muslim Israelis want the right to freely attack and murder Jews. One of the major objectives of Islamists is to deny Jews the human right of self-defense. The following is part of an article from jerusalempost.com, Sept. 25 2005 'Column One: Israel's disengaged establishment' by Caroline Glick: "...recall what happened five years ago. Following months of increased violence and extremism in the Arab-Israeli sector incited directly by the Palestinian Authority, the Israeli Islamic Movement and the Arab members of Knesset, violent riots seized the Arab sector of Israel in October 2000. During the week of riots, Arab Israelis threw rocks and Molotov cocktails at Israeli civilian cars throughout the country. Israeli motorists were dragged out of their cars on Highway 65 along Wadi Ara and beaten. An Israeli motorist was murdered when Arabs from Jasser a-Zarka threw a rock at his windshield as he drove down the coastal highway..."
2. Terrorist state
NY ,   NY   (09.29.05)
It is known that Israel is always the initiative to aggresion. They have been bombarding Gaza for the last week, but U'll see Israel will come down on its nose. Muslims say that god give time to terrorist state like Israel but it won't be long before God sweep Israel out.
3. The Islamists Turn Reality Into Fantasy
Adina Kutnicki ,   NJ, US   (09.29.05)
Isn't it predictable. The Islamic Israeli leaders turn facts upside down and the Israeli powers- to -be regurgitate it. The violent and life threatening riots that terrorized the entire country were indeed an appetizer before the intifada. In fact, it was planned that way. They went hand in hand, and anyone who isn't a fool or a knave knows this. Instead, the Islamics in Israel create a fairytale - "there is a connection between the intifada and the October riots: more than the latest intifada was Palestinian, it was an intifada of the Israeli right-wing against the (peace) process, and I think they have succeeded". Holy smokes! This warped thinking would make Goebbles blush and Hitler very proud. In their Orwellian universe, the Jewish right caused ! the intifada, and hence the breakdown in the "peace" (death)process. The ever guilt ridden Jewish "authorities" lap it up like the trained seals that they are. They are as spineless as jellyfish. No wonder the Arabs keep up the fight. Disgraceful!
4. Rudy Giuliani
Bill Pearlman ,   Chicago, USA   (09.29.05)
One of the ways that New York City brought down crime was for the city government to back up the police. I guess this concept is a foreign concept in Israel.
5. Oh yeah! Suck up to the arabs and while you are at it
Bunnie Meyer ,   Santa Monica, CA   (09.29.05)
why not give out trophies to the palestinian prisoners with one head ornament for each Jew killed and a gold plated bus to every bus bomber? You could have a silver tea set, one cup for each Jew blown to bits in a restaurant bombing. The attorney general is so left that his body is bent sideways 125 degrees.
6. Investigate the Arabs
Dani ,   Tel Aviv   (09.29.05)
For supporting Israel's enemies.
7. CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY COMMITTED AGAINST PA CHRISTIANS
Linda Rivera ,   New York   (09.29.05)
PERSECUTED "PALESTINIAN" CHRISTIANS BEG WORLD FOR HELP. IDF please help them. PLO terrorists conducted bloody, barbaric jihad against Lebanon's Christians, mass maiming and murdering huge numbers. www.free-lebanon.com Click on photo gallery - 20,000 Christians handicapped by PLO atrocities. The reward for PLO savagery was to implant these PLO terrrorists into Israel as "peace" partners through Oslo to continue their jihad. Christians in PA areas suffer horrendous persecution, under the cruel occupation of PA/PLO and other terrorist organizations. The following are parts of an article: Christianity Dying In Its Birthplace By Daniel Pipes FrontPageMagazine.com | September 13, 2005 http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=19453 "What some observers are calling a pogrom took place near Ramallah, West Bank, on the night of Sep. 3-4. That’s when fifteen Muslim youths from one village, Dair Jarir, rampaged against Taybeh, a neighboring all-Christian village of 1,500 people. The Ajajs and their friends broke into houses and stole furniture, jewelry, and electrical appliances. They threw Molotov cocktails at some buildings and poured kerosene on others, then torched them. The damage included at least 16 houses, some stores, a farm, and a gas station. The assailants vandalized cars, looted extensively, and destroyed a statue of the Virgin Mary. “It was like a war,” one Taybeh resident told The Jerusalem Post. Hours passed before the Palestinian Authority security and fire services arrived. The fifteen assailants spent only a few hours in police detention, then were released. As for Khouriyye, the Palestinian police arrested him, kept him jail, and (his family says) have repeatedly beat him. A cousin, Suleiman Khouriyye, pointed to his burned house. “They did this because we’re Christians. They did this because we are the weaker ones.” The Khouriyyes and others recall the assailants shouting Allahu Akbar and anti-Christian slogans: “Burn the infidels, burn the Crusaders.” This assault fits a larger pattern. According to the Catholic Custodian of the Holy Land, Pierbattista Pizzaballa, Christians in the Bethlehem region alone have suffered 93 cases of injustice in 2000-04. In the worst of these, in 2002, Muslims murdered the two Amre sisters, 17 and 19 years old, whom they called prostitutes. A post-mortem, however, showed the teenagers to have been virgins – and to have been tortured on their genitals. “Almost every day – I repeat, almost every day – our communities are harassed by the Islamic extremists in these regions,” Pizzaballa says. “And if it’s not the members of Hamas or Islamic Jihad, there are clashes with … the Palestinian Authority.” In addition to the Islamists, a “Muslim land mafia” is said to operate. With PA complicity. it threatens Christian land and house owners, often succeeding to compel them to abandon their properties. The campaign of persecution has succeeded...Bethlehem and Nazareth, historic Christian towns for nearly two millennia, are now primarily Muslim. In 1922, Christians outnumbered Muslims in Jerusalem; today, Christians amount to a mere 2 percent of that city’s population." "Islamic mafia accused of persecuting Holy Land Christians" http://news.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/09/09/wmid09.xml Every single agreement has been broken by the PA/PLO, rendering Oslo, Road Map and ALL agreements NULL AND VOID. The U.S. EU, UN, Israel: the Christians of the world appeal to you. Stop the injustice. Stop the cruelty. Stop the massive criminal human rights violations. Liberate the Christians from ALL terrorist organizations immediately.
8. Equality
J K ,   NYC, USA   (09.29.05)
Will the perpetrators of the lynching of the Jewish gunman at Shfaram ever pay? The slaughterer of the Arabs got some street justice, but murder back isnt right either. Who will pay for their crimes?
9. Linda Rivera, I am going to report you to NY police
Yasser ,   NY, USA   (09.29.05)
You are a racist and spreading hate and incitement. You should be sent to jail. Even if Linda Rivera is not your real name, it is easy for police to find where you are.
10. Rule of Law, take 2
Howard ,   Pacific Coast, USA   (09.29.05)
#7 Linda, the fact that the PA acts like a gang of thugs toward their minorities is the PA's problem. Israel, on the other hand, is a country based on Jewish ethics. As such, it MUST be a society governed by laws, and the laws MUST protect non-Jewish minorities living in Israel as well as the majority. #3 Adina, law enforcement officials must carefully protect against the possibility of abuses of police power. it is well within the realm of possibility that the policemen are innocent, but it is also possible that excessive force was used. The official PID investigation of the riots was extremely slapdash; only 2 of the policemen involved were interviewed, and no evidence was taken at the scene, nor were the dead autopsied. When citizens are killed by police, no matter who they are, and even during riots, a full PROFESSIONAL investigation must be carried out. It may acquit officers, or it may not. Either way, it must be carried out according to strict police standards of professionalism. Bill #4, the country ought to back up police in general, and Israel already does. In this case, serious allegations have been lowered, and a thorough investigation was not pursued. A thorough investigation needs to happen. Also note that it has been a long time since the NYPD has shot 13 minority people in a single engagement. I think that under such circumstances, Rudy would act with EXTREME caution and call for a VERY serious investigation. Which is what Shviro is sensibly doing here. #6 Dani, an investigation should never have a predetermined outcome, and an investigation of the circumstances of the deaths may well identify Arab individuals as well as police who are responsible for what happened. #8 JK, when the law is broken, the police are supposed to investigate and make arrests where applicable, to bring people to trial. #2 NY: You have a very short memory, or you are an idiot; Hamas and Islamic Jihad took the "initiative" and fired 40 rockets at Israel in order to distract people from Hamas' negligent killing and wounding of up to 80 people. And of course, Israeli Muslims are among the few Muslims in the middle east who are actually able to vote in a meaningful democratic election (Turkish, Lebanese and Israeli Muslims stand alone in this regard). Syria, now, or the Sudan -- now THOSE are terrorist states. Syria butchered 20,000 of its own people at Hama, and supports terror groups that operate in every single neighbor that Syria has. The Sudan literally committed genocide in Darfur. But I'll bet you can't post talkbacks in Syrian and Sudanese online papers, can you, because they're terrified of letting anyone have freedom of speech? Who, in fact are the "terrorist" states in the region?
11. Israeli Jewish mob shouted: Death to Arabs!
(09.29.05)
12. have pity, don't call NY Police Linda's crazy!
(09.29.05)
13. To # 9 and so called LInda Rivera
Hiram ,   Brooklyn 24 Hrs   (09.29.05)
LInda Rivera is not Linda...And Rivera is not Rivera. All the posts coming from that source do not express ANY personal opinion but are a conglomerate of bits and pieces picked up in different places, and of no interest at all to the public debate. However, there is hatred spread around through these posts and hatred does not bring anything to the debate at all. 1) any decent Jew should be in Israel instead of being in the US giving us counselling on how to run business when dealing with terror groups. 2) Terror groups represent a minority ( in number and in % of the population ) 3) we have ways to deal with terror groups. Sassoon Nuriel was not killed by an agriculture worker or a baker but by a terror organisation. Only Fascist -oriented and extreme right wingers systematically associate Arabs with Terrorists in the same fashion the Nazis associated Jews with "lice to be extermintaed simply because they were Jews" This demonstrate in-depth ignorance of the area and the mentality. There are ways to deal with terror, unfortunately there is no way to deal with " Linda Rivera" short of not bothering to open "his" emails simply because we know what is inside. And indeed, posts can be traced to a server- a server to a provider- and a provide to a user..Nothing remains anonymous for long, and Hatred is NOT and has never been a Jewish value. Dear Linda Rivera , if you want to be an honnor to the Jewish people, try to show some intelligence..but of course we know that you are not even Jewish ( I just found out !)
14. Imagine, a terrorist calling Linda a racist! Holy Cow!!
Bunnie Meyer ,   Santa Monica, CA   (09.29.05)
If these arabs don't stop threatening people who live by the First Amendment, the right of free speech, which has never seen the light of day in an arab country, they will give all arabs a bad reputation (sic.) Even as we read and write these posts, the worms are eating away at arafat's and yasin's bodies and the world is a safer place than last year.
15. What's the problem?
Shai ,   Israel   (09.29.05)
So what if they look into it again? If the police really did have a cover-up, then it should be discovered and dealt with. If not, then not. Same with the killing of the Jewish terrorist, where the Arab Israeli community threatened violence if the police examined the matter in depth. For those who don't recall, the terrorist was alive and the police were chased away after he was handcuffed, and somehow he was killed. By whom? How? When? The Arab community wants the matter pushed under the carpet. Well, as long as that's not pushed under the carpet either, I say let the investigations continued, and let the chips fall where they may.
16. INVESTIGATE ISLAMIST CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY AGAINST JEWS
Linda Rivera ,   New York   (09.29.05)
The PLO/Palestinian Authority and other terrorist organizations declared publicly their religious terror war had given them the victory of Gaza-a base for international terror. Making Jews jobless and homeless for their implacable enemies, Israel destroyed the homes of almost 10,000 Jews. Homes for which mortgages must still be paid. Thousands of Jewish greenhouses and 325 Jewish farms built on land that NEVER belonged to Arabs were given as gifts to the wealthy Palestinian Authority terrorist organization. A huge victory for global jihad, Islamists and every Jew-hater on the planet. World leaders congratulated Sharon for this ruthlessness. The U.S. EU, and UN cruelly demand greatly increased Jew cleansing from Judea and Samaria making hundreds of thousands of Jews jobless and homeless, greatly exacerbating Israeli Jews' dire poverty and joblessness. Creating a massive economic and human crisis in Israel. AND MASSIVELY DESTROYING ISRAEL'S SECURITY. The Jew-hating Europeans deported Jews from their countries over 80 times. WHY ARE CHARGES OF CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY NOT BEING BROUGHT AGAINST: Palestinian Authority Minister Mohammed Dahlan who was in charge of coordinating the withdrawal from Gaza with Israel-terror master who is responsible for the bomb attack on the Israeli school bus in November 2000 in which two school teachers were killed and three children from the Cohen family lost their legs. All those responsible for financing, training, arming and sending out Islamic homicide bombers to blow up Jews and destroy the lives of survivors who have nails and other metallic objects from the bombs embedded in their bodies and brains. The Palestinian Authority for teaching through their mosques, media and public education system the murder of Jews is a religious obligation. The Palestinian Authority for hailing as heroes the savage Islamist murderers of defenseless 8 months pregnant Jewish Gaza mother, Tali Hatuel, and four little daughters in Gush Katif in May 2004. The PA for the sermon (and many similar) of Oct 13 2000 broadcast from Gaza mosque, Dr. Ahmad Abu Halabiya, on Palestinian Authority TV (transcribed by Memri): "Have no mercy on the Jews, no matter where they are, in any country. Fight them, wherever you are. Wherever you meet them, kill them. Wherever you are, kill those Jews and those Americans who are like them..." Genocide and/or planned genocide breaks international law.
17. #10 Howard - The living hell of Christians in the HOLY LAND
Linda Rivera ,   New York   (09.29.05)
As Israel gave control of Jewish land to PA, Israel has a responsibility to PROTECT THE CHRISTIAN MINORITY in PA areas. Christians suffer cruel and continual persecution because they do not follow the religion of Mohammad. This is a well-documented fact and well known to Israel's government. Is it justice that Christians must suffer because Israel gave part of the Holy Land to the terrorist organization, PLO/Palestinian Authority?
18. #13 Hiram - TRUTH & Speaking out for VICTIMS
Linda Rivera ,   New York   (09.29.05)
I give documented facts in my posts, quoting from articles. These facts are well known to Israel's government. Apparently, you consider truth, and speaking out for human rights for innocents, is hatred. The Islamists repeatedly make the same statements you make. I spoke to an African-American in California who told me he got death threats from the Muslims because he showed videos of the terrible suffering of black Christians in Sudan. Over 2 million Christians, including Animists, in Sudan are dead from jihad. Hundreds of thousands of Christians have been taken for slaves by Sudan's Muslims.
19. #9 Yasser. OUR WONDERFUL & BRAVE NY POLICE & FIREMEN OF 9/11
Linda Rivera ,   New York   (09.29.05)
Americans will never forget our 3000 murdered on 9/11 by Islamist terrorists. We will never forget our brave and wonderful heroes, New York firemen and policemen, who knew they would probably never see their loved ones ever again, yet these heroes were willing to give up their lives attempting to save innocents. We are proud to call our New York police and firemen our brothers. On 9/11, America's light shone so bright through her New York firemen and policemen. We will never forget them. Their courageous deed of love and sacrifice is forever recorded in heaven.
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