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Website inciting against Peres?
Ronny Sofer
Published: 31.10.05, 09:41
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1. Nobody speaks out against loser!
Matthias ,   Switzerland   (10.31.05)
"Minister Matan Vilnai (Labor) said after seeing the photos, “I cannot understand how this website even exists; how such a nobody dares to speak out against Peres in this manner." Well, Peres is certainly not a nobody, but he is a loser who although he loses in elections, nevertheless manages to enter governments.
2. Peres was the first who negociated with terrorists !
(10.31.05)
He's the responsible of what happened in Israel with all those suicide attacks because he brings the Arafat' s gang from Tunis to Judea-Shomron and Gaza and shows a weak Israel. Peres MUST BE PROSECUTED !
3. weird people
Howard ,   Pacific Coast, USA   (10.31.05)
After reading the Amir family's recent statements, I can only be astonished, both by their utter madness, and by the unbalanced delusions of the conspiracy theorists who propagate THIS fruitcake material. #1: I don't understand your point. The lunatics who run this site have every right not to like Peres. They have every right to free speech. However, when free speech becomes incitement to violence, the state has a right to check it. Peres has every right to be a politician. And he has every right to seek to exert influence through legal channels, including coalition governments. So what? #2: Israel is a nation of laws. Prosecution doesn't happen just because you want it to happen; it requires that someone is suspected of breaking the law. Under what law are you suggesting that Peres be prosecuted?
4. Incitement. Incitement,Incitement ,
Marcel ,   Florida   (10.31.05)
The Extremist-Far Left media Government Dictatorship always use this their favorite tool to silence all opposition. Notice how the use of the drag-net 'law against INCITEMENT' is NEVER ,NEVER used to deal with the traitiors on the EXTREME far left who aid the Islamic enemy in thier goal of destroying Israel. In fact ,when was the last time you heard the term ,Extremist far-left ? It's always ONLY Extremist far-right these Orwellian Stalinists use
5. THE BETRAYAL OF OSLO & ITS THOUSANDS OF JEWISH VICTIMS
Linda Rivera ,   New York   (10.31.05)
Oslo betrayed Israel and was conceived in great secrecy. Israelis who treasonously took part broke Israeli law forbidding meetings with terrorists. Because Oslo, and the other agreements are made with terrorists fighting for conquest of all Israel, the agreements produce massive increases in terrorism and murder of Jews. Arab Muslim MKs, members of Israel's government, along with large numbers of Arab Muslim Israelis are openly genocidal, and support the violent overthrow of Israel. Below is part of an article from: http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=15117 Lessons of the Rabin Assassination By David Bedein FrontPageMagazine.com | September 17, 2004 "25,000 religious Israeli citizens gathered on Saturday night, September 11th in the public square of a major city in Israel chanting slogans that called for the death of Israel’s police minister and for the violent overthrow of the Israeli government. Their goal? To replace the government with one closer to their religious ideology. The most vociferous moments of incitement during that rally were telecast that evening on both major Israeli TV by newsreels on Israel’s Public Channel One and on Israel’s Commercial Channel Two. Yet there was no public outcry to indict the organizers of this event, and there was no response of senior Israel law enforcement officials in reaction to the rally. Calls placed to the Israeli police to ask if they would prosecute the organizers for incitement did not even receive the courtesy of a returned phone call. The rally on September 11th had been organized by the Israeli Islamic Movement and took place in the largest Israeli Arab city, Um El Facham..." The 9/11 jihad date against American innocents was chosen for the demonstration. Throughout more than 26,000 terrorist attacks against Israel in the last five years, and thousands of Jews maimed and murdered, the U.S. has continually demanded restraint from Israel. The U.S. and EU insist on the right of defending their citizens and defeating terrorism, but deny these same rights for Jews. When it comes to Jews, terrorism is NOT to be defeated, but richly rewarded with an Islamic state enabling conquest of TINY Israel. A major goal of global jihad. Arab Muslim Israelis and Arab countries will join in the final war against Israel's Jews. Abbas was Arafat's terrorist partner for over 40 years. Arafat explained on Jordanian TV shortly after Oslo the PLO strategy adopted in 1974: "Since we cannot defeat Israel in war, we do this in stages. We take any and every territory we can of Palestine, and establish sovereignty there, and we use it as a springboard to take more. When the time comes, WE CAN GET THE ARAB NATIONS TO JOIN US FOR THE FINAL BLOW AGAINST ISRAEL." There was not a single homicide human bomber in Israel before the Oslo onslaught. All those responsible for the Road Map, Oslo and other agreements made with the PLO/Palestinian Authority terrorist organization, are guilty of horrific betrayal of Israel and owe financial compensation to the thousands of Jews maimed and murdered; victims of agreements made with terrorists.
6. Arrogant Elitest
marya ,   sacramento ca   (10.31.05)
Matan Vilnai (Labor) said after seeing the photos, “I cannot understand how this website even exists; how such a nobody dares to speak out against Peres in this manner.” You mean since Barry isn't a toadying Leftwing socialist Labor party elitest he's a "nobody?" The arrogant "we know what's best for everyone" leftists never met a Jew hater they didn't love. The more they're hated the more they bend over backward to accomodate them. What's the big deal? you don't have to have a degree from university to put the pieces of the puzzle together. Peres DOES HAVE BLOOD ON HIS HANDS! He won't be happy until Jews are a minority in the country. He should have been put on a little row boat and let out to sea.. If they want to take down Barry's site they should first start with the incitement and hatred dripping Israeli sites like "Peace Now, Betselem, Women in Black and all those other Islamofacist embracing, Jew hating websites. TAKE 'EM DOWN! Talk about HATE!
7. no suicide bombings and terrorist actions before Oslo?!?!
Israeli ,   Israel   (10.31.05)
what? gimme a break! let's start with the largest terrorist attack against Israel abroad -- the bombing of the Israeli Embassy in Buenos Aires on 17 March 1992. I start with this one because it was the first terrorist attack to occur after Prime Minsiter Mr. Shamir attended the Madrid Conference in 1991. It was also in response to the action of Mr. Shamir's government in Lebanon (the targeted killing of Masawi and his family in Lebanon, in February 1992). Out of a very deep sense of duty and loyalty in order to prove the length of my memory I recall the terrorist attack against the Israeli Ambassador to London Mr. Shlomo Argov in 1982. Don't believe that was a "kosher" terrorist attack before Oslo my dear Ms. Rivera? Well please do allow me to share with you that it was "kosher" enough to serve as the justification for Israel's entry into Lebanon and the start of the Lebanon War aka "Sheleg" (I know you aren't Jewish but if you want to "play" with the Jews then by Jove learn our language and learn our history without bias). By the way Lebanon War aka "Sheleg" was authorized by the government of Mr. Begin. We will of course leave the pre-9/11 terrorist attacks against USA installations out of the story -- oh no we won't! 1983 Beirut: 241 USA Marines killed in an attack against a USA Barracks in Beirut. 1884 Beirut: truck bombing of USA embassy killed 24 1985 Beirut: Hijacking of TWA Flight 847 Now did you need me to come closer to home? ok fine. let's have a look at the going's on in the Gaza Strip. As a result of the Israeli Occupation of Gaza ... here are a few "Pre-Oslo" terrorist attacks: On April 12, 1983 Mr. Rafael Eitan, z"l (please do allow me to be diplomatic and say that he was a conservative advocating repressive policies towards the Palestinians) said in an interview on IBA RESHET BET "Palestinians who endanger cars on the road should be treated aggressively and their freedom of movement should be narrowed until they will be like poisoned coakroaches in a bottle." Pray tell Ms. Rivera do you know why Mr. Eitan would make such a comment? and the "event" of 12 April 1984 at the Erez Checkpoint in Gaza? Ms. Rivera are you familiar with that event? What about "AutoBus HaDamim" familiar with that one? What about the attack on the bus at "Maale Akrabim"? did you hear about that one? did you want to be kind enough to give me a year for that one? betcha top American dollar it was pre-Oslo? Did you want to speak about Jerusalem? ok! What about the attack at Kikar Zion? The little matter of a refrigerator at the hardware store? give me the date for that one! Pre-Oslo my dear lady, Pre-Oslo. or perhaps you wanted to give me the date for the blast at the Supersol on Agron Street in Jerusalem? are all of these events too obscure for you? ok, fine since you are a New York Christian with limited knowledge please do allow me to recall the events at the school in Naharia? surely you saw the photograph of the brother carrying his sister and running away from the school. Still to obscure for you to find a date? What I am saying loud and clear Ms. Rivera is that you tire me with your repeative right wing rhetoric and propaganda. Please do allow me to share with you that we here in Israel are perfectly aware of our history and our problems and that we do not need the likes of you to come along and add more oil to the fire. You my dear Ms. Rivera are part of the problem. We here in Israel are quite capable of using our very long memories and are also quite capable of searching for solutions that serve our own Israeli/Jewish agenda. So would you please give it a rest. Stand down and leave us to our own devices. Wishing you a lovely evening. From Jerusalem. A very proud free-thinking Israeli.
8. Ms. Rivera do u know who Abdul Ghannis was?
Israeli ,   Israel   (10.31.05)
on the morning of 17 March 1992 in Jaffa Mr. Abdul Ghannis an Israeli-Arab citizen living in Jaffa attempted to protect with his own body a young Israeli-Jewish female soldier. Unfortunately both of them were killed in that terrorist attack. Ms. Rivera please stop insulting my intelligence and that of the rest of y-net's readers...by going on at such great lengths with your cut and paste propaganda. I speak from memory and I speak well enough to know that you are ONE HUNDRED PERCENT WORNG WHEN YOU WRITE: "There was not a single homicide human bomber in Israel before the Oslo onslaught." Very respectfully and politely I ask you to stop trying to teach me my own history. My people and I were here long before you arrived on the scene and we will be here long after your departure. all the best. from Jerusalem, A very proud free-thinking Israeli
9. #7 You are misquoting me!
Linda Rivera ,   New York   (10.31.05)
Please don't misquote me. I wrote: There was not a single homicide human bomber in ISRAEL before the Oslo onslaught. .
10. more pre-Oslo terrorist attacks...
Israeli ,   Israel   (10.31.05)
what about the terrorist attack against the family of Smadar HaRan? does that not count? too obscure for you? ok fine, perhaps I can tweak your memory by mentioning a small cruise ship called the Achille Lauro? would you be so kind as to give me dates for those two terrorist attacks? You may attack me and say that my comments seem fractured...but I rely purely on my knowledge and memory because I am a bereaved child of a bereaved nation...all of these events are written on my skin. so all I have to do is remember and in remembering I know that Mr. Rabin, z"l (may his memory be for a blessing) and Mr. Peres (he should live a long and healthy life) were doing the very best they could as the duly and legally elected leaders of the State of Israel when they embarked upon the Oslo Process. Further whether you like it or not these great men had a full, legal and kosher mandate to do so. So please stop attempting to re-write the history of my people (the Jews) and my country (the State of Israel). Please stop insulting the memory of those who made the ultimate sacrifice before or afer Oslo by writing your insouciant and very churlish comments.
11. #9 Ms. Rivera but I have given you many examples
(10.31.05)
of pre-Oslo terrorist attacks inside of Israel. Please do take the time to read all of my comments -- not just those that are convenient for you to read and challenge. Please do allow me to challenge you to verify my information....you will find that you are 100% wrong in your statement.
12. #9 r u admitting that Gaza and downtown Jerusalem aren't
(10.31.05)
inside Israel? if you are Ms. Rivera -- well then I win -- check mate! ;-)
13. # 7 please don't rewrite history
Me, Myself & I ,   L.A., Ca   (10.31.05)
1) First of all TERRORISM against JEWS & ISRAELIS existed not only before Oslo but also before the 1948 ( The declaration of the creation of the state of Israel ) 2) There was not a single suicide bombing against Israeli Civilians or soldiers inside Israel the west bank or Gaza strip before Oslo. The terrorist attacks against Israelis were of diferrent charactyer before the Oslo process began and the arrival of Arafat & his cohorts from: Tunisia, Iraq, Yemen, etc. 3) Last but not least the types and amount of weaponry that is currently possesed by the Palestinian terror organizations and Palestinians in general in the Gaza strip and west bank could not of been dreamed of by them in their wiledest dreams before the arrival of Arafat and the Oslo "peace proccess" also the number of members & / or soldiers in those groups was about 10% of what it is now. 4) In addition the only way that this present situation can be resolved as far as the number and type of terrorist attacks against Israeli / Jewish civilians and / or guerilla attacks against Israeli soldiers in the west bank and Gaza strip, is to return the situation to pre Oslo status. Meaning that ALL that is ALL every single one to the last of the terrorists or people period that entered Israel, Gaza or the West Bank since Oslo / 1992 would be sent back to where they came from and all weapons would be eliminated from existance in those areas, and the military government reimposed on the Palestinian population. After complete implementation of the above will a new peace process be started, but this time directly with Palestinian leaders strictly from the west bank and Gaza strip and not from abroad. 5) Than peace ( REAL PEACE ) will be achieved between Arabs and Jews between the Jordan river and the mediterenean.
14. #13 shall we speak about Mr. Shamir & the start of Hamas?
(10.31.05)
or shall I refer you to Mr. Eitan Haber's opinion peace in today's y-net opinion section. don't split hairs with me - does it really matter to you enough to insult the memory of the blessed dead by categorizing how it was that they died? do you really think that the surviving families of these people are interested in your surgical categorization of how their loved ones died? do you really think that the surviving families are interested in your vile re-writing of history? in order to suit your political point of view? do you really think that if Member of Knesset Rabbi Kahane, z"l were alive he would split hairs as you do? I didn't agree with Member of Knesset Rabbi Kahane, z"l, I am a very proud leftist Jew. And yet I am knowledgable enough to know that Member of Knesset Rabbi Kahane, z"l, would never ever split hairs as you do. But then it is known that the followers of a leader are always far less than the leader himself. to quote the Member f Knesset, the 'good' Rabbi Kahane, z"l... my dear Me, Myself and I, L.A. Ca. "deep in your heart, you know I am right!"
15. To #7 OF COURSE, THERE WAS TERRORISM BEFORE OSLO!
Linda Rivera ,   New York   (10.31.05)
I NEVER WROTE THAT THERE WAS NO TERRORISM BEFORE OSLO! OF COURSE, THERE WAS TERRORISM BEFORE OSLO. What I wrote was that there were no suicide bombers in Israel before Oslo.
16. Thank you #13 for your excellent TRUTHFUL statement
Linda Rivera ,   New York   (10.31.05)
17. Peres is not clean
Chaim ,   Jerusalem   (10.31.05)
Guess who has been busy making deals with the Palestinians while they have been killing Jews? Guess who has been spending his time making private business deals too line his own pockets while on the Government payrole? Yes non other then MK Shimon Peres. 17% interest owner/controller of PALTEL along with 40% held by Arafat family and 40% by the Bin Laden Family. PALTEL is headquartered in Ramallah and is the Palestinian Telephone Company. On another related dirty dealing point, why the hurried removal from the Gaza coast line. Could it have anything to do with the gas and oil that has been discovered and that has been contracted too BP. Is Peres and Sharon partners in this little deal. And what about the Power Plant in Gaza that Peres has spent so much time dealing over. Oh, how the people have been treated with such treachory. Those given positions of public trust using these positions to line their own pockets. So who wouldn't suspect anything from such moraly questionable people.
18. Ms. Rivera u attempt to insult my intelligence u r an unwort
Proud Jerusalemite ,   Israel   (10.31.05)
unworthy opponent. as I suspected you have no real knowledge of the history of the Jewish people you are just another knee-jerk christian attempting to rub up against us and give us a good feeling. Know this we know you for what you are and we the real and true people of God reject you!
19. Linda m'ija! deja de hinchar ya....
(10.31.05)
translation: Linda girl friend stop harrassing already. in other words girl you have been check mated by a leftist and you know it! p.s. may the memory of Prime Minister Mr. Rabin be for a blessing!
20. to 18 proud Jerusalemite
Ron ,   Tel Aviv   (10.31.05)
what unbearable pride you have "we the real and true people God reject you". Lemi ata hoshev het atsmekha ?
21. Linda
C'est Moi ,   Canada   (10.31.05)
Linda Rivera is the anti-christ.
22. #20 I am really just tired...
(10.31.05)
of this New York Puerto Rican christian who places herself in Jewish wannabee status! can't you tell I am laughing all the while. besides Ron deep in your heart you are proud of me because I can zap her right back in her own language! ;-) deep in your heart you know I am right!
23. whatever
whatever ,   whateverville   (10.31.05)
well it looks like the devil did it again.. he promised that he would prove to god that adam and his progeny were not special and that he could take them to hell with them.. and from the looks of this conversation and the circumstances behind all the killing, whatever side, we're all going to hell... well except me of course.. so.. whatever, keep fighting, "keep your ego ablaze, it is the igniter of the hellfire"
24. Incitement for Rabin Assassination in USA
Stephen M. St. John ,   New York, USA   (11.01.05)
I detected incitement for the violent overthrow of the Rabin government in an article by Bar Ilan University Professor Paul Eidelberg in the issue of the Brooklyn, New York weekly, The Jewish Press, which was on newsstands in New York and Tel Aviv on the Wednesday before the Saturday evening when Rabin was killed. I wrote an article about this and hoped that the New York Times would publish it but the editors there chose not to do so. The full text plus related correspondence can be found on my fledgling website: http://mysite.verizon.net/vze4wbps. I invite ynetnews readers to visit there. This angle to the Rabin assassination has been ignored for too long. Thanks, Stephen
25. The Murder of Rabin
Eliezer ,   Canada   (11.01.05)
While it seems Barry Chamish has done much to prove Peres was directly involved in the murder of Israel's Prime Minister, Yitzhak Rabin, your article does little or nothing towards proving otherwise, or refuting the claims of Mr. Chamish. Like the Kennedy Assassination, the official version with the lone assassin model doesn't wash. It also appears a substantial number of Israeli's now believe Mr. Chamish, who has written on Israeli politics for decades and in particular the Murder of Yitzhak Rabin. That any Israeli politician including Peres would now act shocked or surprised by what Mr. Chamish says and writes is incredible. Mr. Chamish should be congratulated for both his courage and persistence in the face of many official attempts to discredit him and slander his character. Maybe Canadians now living in Israel will want to ask Mr. Clinton who is due shortly for a visit in Israel for the Rabin memorial about the tainted blood scandle and his direct involvment i it which cost the lives of many Canadians. The documentary should be hitting the screens next week.
26. but u know the "hellfire" is right...
(11.01.05)
the leftist jerusalmite know better and deep in your soul u know she is right! and linda rivera is wrong! wrong! wrong!
27. Ms Linda Rivera - May Hashem - G-d Almighty - bless you!
Moshe ,   Golan Heights   (11.01.05)
28. Nothing left of the left in Israel
Sheeko ,   the Heights of Golan   (11.01.05)
Misguided fools - the lot of you. You forget G-d in Heaven, the One who gave us this Holy Land. And so, you make pacts and deals with the devil - the Islamo-Nazi Satan, deluding yourselves that this is the way to "peace". And you, the proud leftist Israeli from Jerusalem, sophisticated, eloquent and "bright". Neither Shamir nor Begin; neither Sharon nor Peres nor Rabin were true to the Jewish people, its Land or its Torah. All of them made fatal mistakes costing thousands of Jewish lives. This is all because they forgot G-d and His Torah. They refused to recognize the divine nature of our victories in war, refused to acknowledge that Eretz Yisrael is not theirs to bargain with. Linda speaks words of truth, but you choose to deride her. Instead you'd rather believe Arafat, Abbas - the spawn of Satan - Hitler's henchmen. How utterly absurd. How criminal. Ultimately, G-d's will shall triumph.
29. POWER
Steve ,   UK   (11.08.05)
Powerful people like Peres are untouchable - that's why no-one who cares about their career in the judiciary will atempt to raise suspicions - let alone prosecute. Barry Chamish deserves credit for exposing an evil against israel, its unfortunate that he has had to employ shock tactics to raise his case. Peres, like Kissinger, will always have access to governments because they are players.
30. #22 How dare you? Linda should be praised!
yisrael ,   Baltimore   (12.05.05)
for being one of the Righteous Gentiles. Must one only defend a Jew if he/she is a Jew? :Leftist Jews are busy defending anybody and everybody, black, Arab, gay, abortionist, anybody but a fundamentalist [or an Orthodox Jew.] Can only a leftist Jew defend someone outside of his elitist clique?. And: to exhibit such anti-goyism! Shame on you! Do you have no concept of Chillul HaShem?
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