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Father: Court legitimized killing children
Ali Waked
Published: 15.11.05, 18:31
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1. WOW
(11.15.05)
The heartbreak of this father- The IDF soldier will be haunted the the rest of his life, though for murdering this child- deep in his soul he knows-
2. Would Prof. David Kretchmer
NS ,   CANADA   (11.15.05)
of the Law Faculty of Hebrew University give an opinion on this case ??
3. Occupation Justice
Salameh ,   Gaza, Palestine   (11.15.05)
What can we expect from an occupation that is stealing our lands, demolishing our homes, arressting our men and woman, collectively punishing us day and day? Justice? I don't think so, because if there was any justice in this world, the humanity would have worked to end the LAST OCCUPATION on earth !! Shame on this Druze murderrer, Shame on the occupation Army and surely shame on the Israeli Public at large !
4. Usual, Jewish courts acquit & release Jewish terrorists
A ,   Virginia   (11.15.05)
It happened thousands of times before and it will happen thousands of times in the time being. But, justice will catch up with Jewish terrorists and all other terrorists.
5. Deep in his soul he knows he's innocent
(11.15.05)
which is why this Druze officer was acquitted.
6. #4
J K ,   NYC, USA   (11.15.05)
News Flash!!! He's Druze. More on your Jew Hatred at 11.
7. Salameh
Newt   (11.15.05)
"What can we expect from an occupation that is stealing our lands, demolishing our homes, arressting our men and woman, collectively punishing us and day and day?" Probably the same thing Israeli's can expect from Palestinians who CONTINUE to target innocent Israeli's with rockets by shooting them at their homes, stabbing their men and women, blowing up their men and women, targeting pregnant women and their children. Have those animals paid for their crimes? Hell no and do you know why.....because it's okay to people like you. So spare me with your injustice bullshiite.
8. The arab way of making war.
Uzziel   (11.15.05)
The girl was beeing used as a decoy to test the reaction of the soldiers. Their family claims that se was on her way to the school, the same school to which she headed every day and was just in the opposite direction some 3 kilometers far away.Plus she was an unaccompanied 13 years old girl from a conservative (Hamas) family in a society full of sex predators. She was a decoy. The arab way of making war: sending their children to confront Israeli soldiers instead of sending their "men"...
9. Alway, Israeli court acquits Innocent people
Marcos ,   Polos   (11.15.05)
Including this DRUZE soldier.
10. #8 Uzziel
Rachel Ruth ,   Pacific Northwest   (11.15.05)
For shame. To slander someone in such a way, especially in the midst of their heartbreak. Not to mention slandering somebody who is dead and cannot defend herself. Present your proof, if you have any. By the way, Israel has sex predators too, as does every society.
11. Exactly right #8.... ;-)
Yakir ,   Swiss   (11.15.05)
12. Just what you expect from the non-Jewish state
accessol ,   Spelthorne, England   (11.15.05)
Once again the Zionists' claims to represent the Jewish people and Jewish traditions are shown to be lies and libel; Israel is no more Jewish than the Mafia is Jewish and no more represents us than does the Mormons. It is just a bunch of gangsters and thieves who are using the once good name of the Jewish people to further their aims of theft and murder. People of Palestine: know that these thugs do NOT represent the Jewish People. God forbid, hass vehallila.
13. Rachel Ruth, is your real name?
Uzziel   (11.15.05)
Which part of what I wrote seems a slander to you? To say that her family belonged to Hamas? It was her older brother Ihab Al Hams who said that. To say that the arabs send their children to the death to extract political and propaganda gains? The same week in Judea arab snipers used children as decoys near a highway to better aim at israeli car drivers. The same arab children confessed to the press. By the way are you informed about how many children have been sent, and detained before they could act, with bomb belts strapped to their bodies, in places like the Hawara checkpoint. Theres an entire cell of terrorists linked to the PNA specialised in using children for terror purposes. Have you ever seen a map of the outpost near the Rafah border where the girl was shot? It is a CLOSED MILITARY ZONE perfectly visible with signals and on the absolutely OPPOSITE side on her way to the school. In fact for someone used to do the same way all year long would impossible to confuse her way unless she was the influence of drugs or compelled. Finally, there are sex predators in Israel, but the society and the legal system prevent or condemn their actions. In the arab society the same family sides with the agressor and after a study made by swedish and norwegian doctors, sponsored by the UN almost the 80% of the arab children of both sexes are in danger of beeing raped by their immediate family. This is the point of the Iceberg, where s the slander lady?
14. to #4 and other bigots
Zev ,   Dallas, TX   (11.15.05)
In case you don't know, the soldier was an Israeli Druze, not a Israeli Jew. Druzes are Israeli Arabs. So...what was it you said about "Jewish terrorists?"
15. To the animal on #7
Salameh ,   Gaza, Palestine   (11.15.05)
Calling me animal requires me calling you an animal back, so we're even now. However, on the BS front, you beat me by volumes as you are part of the occupation, that is illegal in EVERY LAW, while I am the occupied, so whatever I do is resistance, and whatever you do is AGRESSION, add to it individuals hatred and racism like yours, it becomes a WAR CRIME. No, go cut the BS and have a good night sleep
16. To #14 bigot
Salameh ,   Gaza, Palestine   (11.15.05)
Druze, like majali Wahbe and Ayoub Kara are not Arabs, or at least that's what THEY say. They are a bunch of irrelvant identity-lost traitors who are employed as sub-contractors for the Israeli Occupation Army, so spare us the BS
17. Jewish judges reflecting the odious face of Israel.
Stephen Sksonski ,   Toronto, US   (11.15.05)
Acquiting children murderers is just as repulsive as the killing of innocent lives by terrorists. Isreal looks like is going downhill. Built on fascist and racist ideology similar to the Nazis, the jewish state is in the process of self-desingteration.
18. THIS IS WHAT ISLAM SAYS OF THE DRUZE
Yishai Kohen ,   YeShA, Israel   (11.15.05)
Question: Can you give me a brief idea about the beliefs of the Druze? What is the Islamic ruling concerning them? Answer: …The fact that these groups are kaafirs (non-Muslims) is something concerning which there is no dispute among the Muslims. Rather whoever doubts that they are kaafirs is a kaafir like them. They do not have a status like that of the People of the Book or of the mushrikeen, rather they are misguided kaafirs and it is not permissible to eat their food, their women may be taken captive and their wealth may be confiscated. They are heretics and apostates whose repentance cannot be accepted, rather they should be killed wherever they are found, and they may be cursed because of what they are. It is not permissible to employ them as guards and gatekeepers. Their scholars and leaders must be killed, lest they lead others astray. It is haraam to sleep with them in their houses or to be friends with them, or to walk with them or to attend their funerals, if their death is announced. It is haraam for the Muslim authorities to neglect to carry out the hadd punishment that Allaah has enjoined by whatever means they see fit. And Allaah is the One Whose help we seek and in Whom we put our trust. http://www.islam-qa.com/index.php?ln=eng&ds=qa&lv=browse&QR=26139&dgn=3
19. #13 Rachel Ruth is your real name?
Rachel Ruth ,   Pacific Northwest   (11.16.05)
Rachel Ruth is my real name. I have not seen written anywhere, nor can I find it after Googling, that "the girl was being used as a decoy to test the reaction of the soldiers." If this is documented, proven, or admitted somewhere, then I apologize. I am well aware of the despicable way in which some Arabs---not "the" Arabs, which implies all Arabs---use their children as decoys. I have not seen a map of the outpost. Is it possible she was going the opposite way for some reason other than being drugged or compelled? Playing hooky, meeting a forbidden boyfriend, running away after a fight with her parents---maybe very unlikely, but how can we ever know, since we were not there and she cannot tell us? Is it possible her family sincerely believes she was on her way to school, rather than "claiming" it? In Agra, India, some years ago, at the site of the Taj Mahal and the Red Fort, I entered a mosque with my shoes on. To my great embarassment, when I came out, I saw the signs asking me to take my shoes off, in plain sight, and yet I had missed them going in. Is it possible that she missed the fact that she was at a closed military zone? If it wasn't the route she went to school by, maybe she had never been there before? My point is, the soldier accused of shooting her had his day in court, despite what initially appeared to be overwhelming evidence against him. He wasn't presumed to be guilty. This was as it should be. And what do you know, it turned out a witness against him lied. Overwhelming appearances are not proof. Finally, rereading your original email, I realize I jumped the gun. I thought you were characterizing Palestinian society as being one of sex predators, when I think the point you were actually making was that it was unlikely she would have been going to school unaccompanied? In which case, refer to my paragraphs above re appearances. I agree with you that society and the legal system in Israel, the US, and many other countries offer much better legal protection to women and children from sex predators than do Arab societies.
20. #17 Stephen Sksonski
Rachel Ruth ,   Pacific Northwest   (11.16.05)
Stephen, at the risk of using the word "slander" twice in one day, to compare Israel and Zionism to Nazi Germany and Naziism is...false and malicious (meaning slanderous). At the risk of using "shame" twice in one day...have you none? The Nazis murdured children and adults at the orders of their government, as part of government policy. They weren't put on trial by their government for it, nor did their government allow a free press to publicize or criticize these state-sponsored murdurs. Comparing the two is at the least intellectually dishonest. There are a million other points of difference between the two, but I'll confine myself to the topic of this talkback. In the meantime, slander is slander, whether against individuals or a nation.
21. Thousandsof Muslims celebrate the murder of Jewish innocents
Linda Rivera ,   New York   (11.16.05)
It has been proven this death was NOT murder. G-D will vindicate this innocent Druze. Every time Jewish innocents are maimed and murdered by murderer-suicide bombers, THOUSANDS of PA society Muslims celebrate in the streets and give out candy. The families are congratulated and official PA media calls the murderers heroes. G-D commanded: "YOU SHALL NOT MURDER"
22. #15: Salameh, you are not an animal. You ARE a bigot
Howard ,   Pacific Coast, USA   (11.16.05)
But you are wrong. "so whatever I do is resistance" -- this is (pardon me) BS. If you use your kids as cannon fodder and human shields so that their relatives can successfully murder Israelis - and this has happened many times during your intifadah - then you are committing the war crimes. Whether or not you have a grievance, it does not absolve you of guilt for your actions, whatever your preacher tells you. You show yourself to be a bigot many times over. You show yourself to be a vicious anti-Semite, and now you also show that you are a virulent hater of the Druze too. For someone who likes to pretend you are part of a poor oppressed group, you sure don't believe in the rights of minorities! I am not happy with what the soldier did. But you are way off base, Salameh.
23. #8 Uzziel - question
Howard ,   Pacific Coast, USA   (11.16.05)
Can you provide more information about what happened? "Their family claims that se was on her way to the school, the same school to which she headed every day and was just in the opposite direction some 3 kilometers far away."
24. Father: Court legitimized killing children
Mrs D. ,   USA   (11.16.05)
My husband served in Panama and my step-father and birth father served in the Vietnam war! They have all told me stories about children sent in as decoy or wearing bombs and the friends they lost to such tatics! As an American Navy vet; I personally think it is the one who sent the child--NOT THE SOLDIER'S fault! I would NEVER allow my little ones to be used in such a manner! They are much to special to thier parents for that!!! Thank you so much that a court finally acted fairly in this case! It is refreshing to see! Mabey it will catch on in other palces around the globe!
25. I have one question....
Norman Cohen ,   Virginia Beach   (11.16.05)
what was a girl with a satchel that could have very easily been mistaken for a bomb doing in the middle of a war zone in the first place??????
26. PROSECUTE CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY AGAINST PA CHRISTIANS
Linda Rivera ,   New York   (11.16.05)
TAKE BETHLEHEM AND THE OTHER CHRISTIAN TOWNS INSIDE THE GREEN LINE IMMEDIATELY! PLO terrorists conducted bloody, barbaric jihad against Lebanon's Christians, mass maiming and murdering huge numbers. www.free-lebanon.com Click on photo gallery - 20,000 Christians handicapped by PLO atrocities. The reward for PLO savagery was to implant these PLO terrrorists into Israel as "peace" partners through Oslo to continue their jihad. Christians in PA areas suffer horrendous persecution, under the cruel occupation of PA/PLO and other terrorist organizations. The following are parts of an article: Christianity Dying In Its Birthplace By Daniel Pipes FrontPageMagazine.com | September 13, 2005 http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=19453 "What some observers are calling a pogrom took place near Ramallah, West Bank, on the night of Sep. 3-4. That’s when fifteen Muslim youths from one village, Dair Jarir, rampaged against Taybeh, a neighboring all-Christian village of 1,500 people. The Ajajs and their friends broke into houses and stole furniture, jewelry, and electrical appliances. They threw Molotov cocktails at some buildings and poured kerosene on others, then torched them. The damage included at least 16 houses, some stores, a farm, and a gas station. The assailants vandalized cars, looted extensively, and destroyed a statue of the Virgin Mary. “It was like a war,” one Taybeh resident told The Jerusalem Post. Hours passed before the Palestinian Authority security and fire services arrived. The fifteen assailants spent only a few hours in police detention, then were released. As for Khouriyye, the Palestinian police arrested him, kept him jail, and (his family says) have repeatedly beat him. A cousin, Suleiman Khouriyye, pointed to his burned house. “They did this because we’re Christians. They did this because we are the weaker ones.” The Khouriyyes and others recall the assailants shouting Allahu Akbar and anti-Christian slogans: “Burn the infidels, burn the Crusaders.” This assault fits a larger pattern. According to the Catholic Custodian of the Holy Land, Pierbattista Pizzaballa, Christians in the Bethlehem region alone have suffered 93 cases of injustice in 2000-04. In the worst of these, in 2002, Muslims murdered the two Amre sisters, 17 and 19 years old, whom they called prostitutes. A post-mortem, however, showed the teenagers to have been virgins – and to have been tortured on their genitals. “Almost every day – I repeat, almost every day – our communities are harassed by the Islamic extremists in these regions,” Pizzaballa says. “And if it’s not the members of Hamas or Islamic Jihad, there are clashes with … the Palestinian Authority.” In addition to the Islamists, a “Muslim land mafia” is said to operate. With PA complicity. it threatens Christian land and house owners, often succeeding to compel them to abandon their properties. The campaign of persecution has succeeded...Bethlehem and Nazareth, historic Christian towns for nearly two millennia, are now primarily Muslim. In 1922, Christians outnumbered Muslims in Jerusalem; today, Christians amount to a mere 2 percent of that city’s population." "Islamic mafia accused of persecuting Holy Land Christians" http://news.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/09/09/wmid09.xml Every single agreement has been broken by the PA/PLO, rendering Oslo, Road Map and ALL agreements NULL AND VOID. Israel: the Christians of the world appeal to you. Stop the injustice. Stop Islamic cruelty. Stop the massive criminal human rights violations. Liberate the Christians from ALL terrorist organizations immediately.
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