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IDF, Hizbullah clash on border
Sharon Roffe Ofir
Published: 21.11.05, 21:51
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61. AK.... HERE IS MY DEFINITION...
Ramzi Sfeir ,   Bethlehem, Palestine   (11.22.05)
First of all, I refuse to be on the Chair of the accused! Its not FAIR at all, and i will never allow anyone to put me there! ....Now i will explain what Final solution to the conflict means : IT MEANS PEACE! It means that WE HAVE TO FIND A SOLUTION to finish with this conflict and to live in peace, side by side! Palestine and Israel! Two countries, two nations, with Borders recognized by everyone! WE DONT NEED ARMS! And to make things clearer..when i say final solution i mean REALLY a final solution to the conflict and i didnt think for a second about the Final Solution of Germany back then.... I want to live with israel! Side by side! And i dont know if you saw my posts before.... but i find it quite insulting and quite wierd that i get accused of such a horrible thing! When i talk about peace! I MEAN PEACE! I mean DIPLOMACY! I mean LOGIC! nothing else! Enough BLOOD! I think this explains it all! You still have a doubt about my intentions ? I guess that you do because you are brainwashed! 1967 BORDERS, FREEDOM to everyone, etc! THATS PEACE!!!! Only negotiations will bring peace! Nothing else can! now .... You got your answer, now I shall remind you of something.... When you talk to people, try to have a little bit of Respect, otherwise , you will never get anything in life, people are not animals! Learn to talk...or DONT TALK AT ALL! Thank you for your understanding
62. to #61 Ramzi why 1967 borders?
(11.23.05)
We want peace too but we have a claim to some of the land east of '67 borders, just as you do. Why is your claim automatically more valid than ours? Negotiation means you have to come to the table with an open mind and be willing to accept that neither us nor you are going to get absolutely everything that we want. That means you are not going to get ALL of the west bank. It also means we are not going to get all of the westbank either. I respect you for being a rational logical human being but you have to realize that Israel is tiny. We dont have much. Arabs have a huge amount of land. Many of your Palestinian brothers and sisters live in Jordan. Are we going to as you to move there? No, dont be silly. But we do expect you to realize that our claim is just as valid as yours, and that compromise means giving up soemthings that you would like, just as we are wiling to do and have already done so.
63. Re: # 62
Ash ,   USA   (11.23.05)
Well, Palestine is a country for the Palastinians which was taken from them by force to establish the so-called israel state. So, don't even try to negotiate us on our land, otherwise, be thankful for what you have b/c what you have is what you don't even deserve in the first place. What's up with the Arab countries owning more land? Is it a matter of who own more then who or who should give who? The United States has more land then the arabs...How about if they give you the DESSERT OF NEVADA so israel becomes the 53 state.??!
64. to #63 a history lesson for our american friend
(11.24.05)
Pre 1967 Gaza belonged to Egypt and the westbank belonged to Jordan. Gazan arabs had egyptian citizenship and to this very day speak the east egyptian arabic dialect that they speak in cairo Westbank arabs had Jordanian citizenship and still speak the Jordanian arabic dialect We have come a long way in recognizing the aspirations the palestinians have for nationhood. Why should we bow and give the everything they want? We arent getting everything we want either are we? No. So doesnt compromise require both sides to give up something? Yes. We are prepared to give them most of the west bank but not all of it. What are the palestinians prepared to do? Nothing at the moment except fart around winging and whineing about their ''entitled needs'' not being met. Stay in america and have a nice life They attacked us, we took it from them.
65. Mark & Linda are right
DD ,   Canada   (11.25.05)
Agree totally! Don't commit national suicide by giving up your God-given lands Israel. Many people love you in other countries, including me here in Canada! Don't go by what Government leaders of other nations say. They rarely represent the views of the people who elected them and who they are supposedly serving.
66. #52 - Destroy or Build
DD ,   Canada   (11.25.05)
My sentiments exactly. Why not use their energy & the resources they have to build up their own state instead of wasting it on arms, etc. to try and get the nation that Israel has already built for itself. If they did that they would have a state of their own & would stop feeling resentful of what their neighbour has accomplished.
67. History lesson for Ash from the USof A
eliboy22 ,   jerusalem   (11.30.05)
Whoever wrote reply number #63 is right. There never was a palestine, the only palestine that ever existed was under the ottoman and british rule. When the british decided to leave they divided the area wich is now israel egypt,jordan,and lebanon, To give the jews a piece of land was their gift(or obligation more right) And jordan egypt and each got to keep their own land, But could the could the rabidly anti-semitic islamic country accept the fact that a small peace of land was being given away to the jews who dont have any country in the world,while the muslims who had most of the midle east in their control,got to keep msot of the lanf by the british, NO!!!!! They had do "push israel and the jews into the sea" Of course the brittish overlooked the extreme friendlieness between the arab Mullahs and sheikhs and the nazis even so the war was barely over. Not only that, the brittish gave a very nice amount of weapons to the islamic arab forces Which they new was going to be used by the arabs to try to destroy israel. But did the jews get weapons? NO!!!!! They had to use the weapons from that they always had from the jewish underground. To get shells and launchers and other weapons the jews had to stop arms shipments sent by the brittish to the arabs. Now the israelis would have been happy enoff with their piece of land, "at least it is something they said" Did they want to go and blow up the jordanians and egyptians to make their future country bigger? Did they want to annihilate every single muslim out ther in th middle east and take their land just because they werent jews? NO!!!!! If after this you claim that any arab country in the middle east wich lost land to the israelis has the right to ask for them back, when they lost the land in wars that they they(arab muslims) Started just because they could not stand the idea that there where a bunch of jews who had their own country right under their nose. I mean never mind that it is one of the most tiniest countrys in th world, And never mind that they(the jews) want to be peacefull and coexist with their neighbors, no matter what color,race or religion they are. The you must be seriosly deranged, as i see no logicall explenation. Please correct me if i am wrong. And sorry for the spelling i dont have time to check it.
68. #40
(03.11.06)
The only constant in your statement is Israel surviving. Meanwhile, since 1967 we have more than doubled our turf. You on the other hand have gaza as your land. Syria, egypt and jordan, all together, with the goal to destruct Israel couldn't do it... what makes you think lebanon could? we didn't want to conquer lebanon, we wanted to defend the borders from terrorists like yourself, if we wanted to conquer anything in lebanon it would've been ours and they know it just fine. (Hence why they are now helping us capture terrorists), also, since syria is trying to blame lebanon for everything, I am assuming this hizbulluh attack was funded by Syria and not lebanon although hizbullh's origin is in lebanon. In any case, Israel has doubled it's territories in 6 days. (Thats while using full force), something you palestinians, have not seen yet. We did not lose any war, in fact you lost all of them, 1 by 1, but we indeed had a lot of casualties and indeed lost them. Unlike you, in Judaism, we don't think our god is helpless so we need to send terrorists to do his work for him. We believe god will take care of you.
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