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5 killed in Netanya bombing
Raanan Ben-Zur
Published: 05.12.05, 19:22
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61. to #38
Yael ,   Iarael   (12.05.05)
If it isn;t your fault then stop the ones doing this. Israel is not punishing your people. Israel is retaliating (and quite mildly, in my opinion) to savages. If Palestinians were real "men" they would push for a State and then fight soldier to soldier, not terrorist coward to citizens. How do you want me to cry for your fmaily, #38, when innocent people DIED. They were not stopped at a checkpoint, they were not stopped from going to work...THEY WERE KILLED! Tell YOUR people to stop actiing this way and you and your family will not suffer and Israeli people will not suffer.
62. OSLO BETRAYED ISRAEL RESULTINGIN THOUSANDS OF JEWISH VICTIMS
Linda Rivera ,   New York   (12.05.05)
Oslo betrayed Israel and was conceived in great secrecy. Israelis who treasonously took part broke Israeli law forbidding meetings with terrorists. Because Oslo, Road Map, and all the agreements are made with terrorists fighting for conquest of all Israel, the agreements produce massive increases in terrorism and murder of Jews. Arab Muslim MKs, members of Israel's government, along with large numbers of Arab Muslim Israelis are openly genocidal, and support the violent overthrow of Israel. Below is part of an article from: http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=15117 Lessons of the Rabin Assassination By David Bedein FrontPageMagazine.com | September 17, 2004 "25,000 religious Israeli citizens gathered on Saturday night, September 11th in the public square of a major city in Israel chanting slogans that called for the death of Israel’s police minister and for the violent overthrow of the Israeli government. Their goal? To replace the government with one closer to their religious ideology. The most vociferous moments of incitement during that rally were telecast that evening on both major Israeli TV by newsreels on Israel’s Public Channel One and on Israel’s Commercial Channel Two. Yet there was no public outcry to indict the organizers of this event, and there was no response of senior Israel law enforcement officials in reaction to the rally. Calls placed to the Israeli police to ask if they would prosecute the organizers for incitement did not even receive the courtesy of a returned phone call. The rally on September 11th had been organized by the Israeli Islamic Movement and took place in the largest Israeli Arab city, Um El Facham..." The 9/11 jihad date against American innocents was chosen for the demonstration. Throughout more than 26,000 terrorist attacks against Israel in the last five years, and thousands of Jews maimed and murdered, the U.S. has continually demanded restraint from Israel. The U.S. and EU insist on the right of defending their citizens and defeating terrorism, but deny these same rights for Jews. When it comes to Jews, terrorism is NOT to be defeated, but richly rewarded with an Islamic state enabling conquest of TINY Israel. A major goal of global jihad. Arab Muslim Israelis and Arab countries will join in the final war against Israel's Jews. Abbas was Arafat's terrorist partner for over 40 years. Arafat explained on Jordanian TV shortly after Oslo the PLO strategy adopted in 1974: "Since we cannot defeat Israel in war, we do this in stages. We take any and every territory we can of Palestine, and establish sovereignty there, and we use it as a springboard to take more. When the time comes, WE CAN GET THE ARAB NATIONS TO JOIN US FOR THE FINAL BLOW AGAINST ISRAEL." There was not a single homicide human bomb in Israel before the Oslo onslaught. All those responsible for the Road Map, Oslo and other agreements made with the PLO/Palestinian Authority terrorist organization, are guilty of horrific betrayal of Israel and owe financial compensation to the thousands of Jews maimed and murdered; victims of agreements made with terrorists.
63. jlhad can t forget our followlng harsh respond
(12.05.05)
jlhad we take our revenge from you you can t forget our harsh respond
64. To #38
Keren ,   Brentwood CA, USA   (12.05.05)
At least you will be coming home tonight! There are 5 innocent human beings who will never come home again! Shame on ALL of your people... none of you tries to stop this! You are all responsible! May G-d judge you accordingly! I was just in Netanya a few weeks ago and it's appalling to see a place where my family and I walked to be blown to bits!!!!! Thanks be to Hashem that He spared us from this type of catastrophe. My heart goes to the families of all the victims.
65. Linda Rivera, George Bush Betrayed Israel.
Jerome ,   Jerusalem   (12.05.05)
Of all the American Presidents who betrayed Israel this one wins the prize. AND OF ALL PEOPLE!!! DURING THE WAR ON TERROR!! double shame. TRIPLE SHAME. History will piss on him and rightly so.
66. THE SITUATION AT THE RAFIAH CROSSING-TOTAL NEGLECT
Linda Rivera ,   New York   (12.05.05)
Yediot Ahronot-Hebrew, 1Dec05 The Situation at the Rafiah Crossing - Total Neglect - Yossi Yehoshua Less than a week has gone by since the Rafiah crossing was opened between Gaza and Egypt and the Israeli security establishment is extremely worried by the new reality, which was defined Wednesday by a senior security source as "total neglect." Army sources argue that because of pressure by Secretary of State Rice, the agreement had been signed too hurriedly, without providing an answer to Israeli security needs. According to the Israeli understanding of the agreement, the Israeli-Palestinian joint command center was supposed to obtain comprehensive information about whomever is passing from Gaza to Egypt and the reverse. In actuality, since the crossing has been opened, Israel only receives pictures of whomever is crossing and only eight minutes or so later information arrives about the identity of the person passing through. In that time, it is possible to go through the crossing without Israeli security authorities knowing the identity of the person. A senior member of the General Security Services remarked: "It's like watching a movie without any voice or subtitles." After raising the matter with the EU representative, it became clear that there was no common understanding. The EU's Italian general argued that he doesn't recognize a requirement to pass on data to Israel in real time. Maj.-Gen. (res.) Amos Gilad, who heads the political-military section of the Ministry of Defense, stated that the critical clause exists: "With this situation, the agreement is worthless." (Yediot Ahronot-Hebrew, 1Dec05)
67. To the victims of this senseless attack
Cynthia ,   USA   (12.05.05)
Our condolences to the victims and their families. Seal the borders and complete the fence. Let the Palestinians make peace with themselves first.
68. 62 -sleep late linda?
mike ,   usa   (12.05.05)
up and at 'em! the world awaits your wisdom and insight - people are suffering and you slumber away. time to start cuttin' and pastin' 'cause time's a-waistin'!
69. #65 TRAINING TERRORISTS-PEACE AGREEMENTS OF TERROR & WAR
Linda Rivera ,   New York   (12.05.05)
U.S. EU pretend PA are not terrorists In the never-ending religious terror war against Jews, terrorists receive highly specialized training from the CIA and Britain. Every single one of the Palestinian Authority security services are involved in terrorist attacks against Israel. There were no apologies from the U.S. for the many Jewish deaths and great suffering perpetrated by U.S. trained Khaled Abu Nijmeh. There was no financial compensation for Khaled's many Jewish victims. There was no punishment for serial killer of Jews, Khaled. Khaled, and other terrorists were richly rewarded with long vacations in Europe. Below are parts of an article from www.sfgate.com http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/02/14/MNG50BANBE1.DTL Mideast training program backfires Palestinian security officers schooled by U.S. later used tactics against Israel - Matthew Kalman, Chronicle Foreign Service Monday, February 14, 2005 Bethlehem, West Bank -- In June 1998, somewhere near CIA headquarters in Langley, Va., two rows of men in military fatigues posed for their graduation photo. All of them were officers in Palestinian General Intelligence Service, charged with hunting down terrorists and preventing attacks on Israel. They had just completed a training course, paid for by the U.S. government, in which they learned firearms and counterterrorist tactics. But the graduation photo holds a stark warning for the Bush administration as it gets more involved in Middle East peacemaking. Some of the men in the picture later swapped sides and began using the skills they learned in Virginia against the Israelis. Such training courses, which were suspended with the outbreak of the Palestinian uprising in September 2000, will be an integral part of Washington's aid package for the new government of Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas. Standing in the back row, second from the left, is Khaled Abu Nijmeh, from Deheisheh refugee camp in Bethlehem, according to two of his colleagues who are also pictured. By 2001, he had become one of the most-wanted Palestinian militants in the city, suspected of involvement in a string of suicide bombings and shooting attacks against Israelis. In May 2002, he was one of 13 gunmen escorted from the Church of the Nativity siege in Bethlehem, flown to Cyprus and then to exile in Europe. Three of the group, including Abu Nijmeh, were given asylum in Italy. "I am a member of the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades and a first sergeant in Palestinian General Intelligence," Abu Nijmeh, now 36, told The Chronicle from his temporary home in Rome. "I personally received a course in antiterrorism and VIP protection. "I was not alone. Many Palestinian security people were trained by the Americans. We hope they will continue helping us." Abu Nijmeh and his 12 comrades will be allowed to return to Bethlehem under the cease-fire agreement reached last week between Israel and the Palestinians. As Israeli commentators had been warning for years, the CIA inadvertently helped train future adversaries -- as it has done in other countries, including the anti-Soviet forces in Afghanistan who ended up as Taliban and al Qaeda militants. "This has proven to be a very risky undertaking," said Israeli political analyst Gerald Steinberg of Bar-Ilan University. "Both the CIA and British efforts to train Palestinians during the Oslo process helped strengthen terrorist capabilities." The training given to hundreds of Palestinian security officials between 1996 and 2000 was sanctioned by a presidential order in 1996 by then-President Bill Clinton, who was deeply involved in peace-making efforts." ©2005 San Francisco Chronicle Islamic terrorism is empowered, and our loyal ally, Israel, on the front lines fighting global jihad, is wickedly betrayed.
70. #25 Answer
Sharon ,   Haifa, Israel   (12.05.05)
Hussein, I sense your question was intended to be rhetorical and loaded, but I must inform you that I work in the Israeli hospital system, and Palestinians receive many organs donated by Israelis, as much as can be genetically matched. Perhaps that upsets you, but there it is.
71. Destroy Pleshet
Etty ,   Miami, Fl   (12.05.05)
That Jews couldnot retaliate during the pogroms... understandable. but now!? Israel should take that as a declaration of war and fight back! and maybe now destroy Pleshet once and for all
72. A Sad, Sad Day
Billy ,   Burlington, Canada   (12.05.05)
My deepest condolences to the families of the deceased victims & full solidarity to all victims. That’s outrageous! I’m not sure when those barbaric animals terrorists will realize they’re on the wrong dark side & it’s totally useless what they’re trying to achieve. It’s behind comprehension to any civilized person to understand how human lives is that cheap in their eyes.
73. Mr. X
arl ,   NYC   (12.05.05)
what logic guides your thinking that it is Israel's job to prevent these attacks? moreover, what logic is there in carrying out these attacks when the Palestinians just secured the Gaza Strip as their own? the answer is simple. logic is not part of the "jihad" equation. your people are all about blood lust--you are an embarrasment to the human race. arl
74. CREMATE THE REMAINS OF THE BOMBER.
Tzedek   (12.05.05)
75. EU HYPOCRITES LEGALIZES MURDER OF JEWS?
Linda Rivera ,   New York   (12.05.05)
Haj Amin, Jerusalem's Muslim religious leader was in total agreement with Hitler. Jews should not be allowed to live in Europe. Haj Amin travelled to Europe and spent the war years helping Hitler murder Europe's Jews. Europeans deported Jews from European countries over 80 times. European ethnic Jew-cleansing addicts, along with the U.S. are leading the charge for present-day Jew deportation. http://www.ipc.gov.ps/ipc_new/english/details.asp?name=11588 GAZA, Palestine, November 6, 2005 (IPC + Agencies) - - The President of the European Union's Development Committee, Luisa Morgantini, declared that the EU has laid a plan with a budget of several millions of dollars to support several aspects of development in the Gaza Strip... She continued that occupied nations have the right to defend themselves using legitimate means of armed resistance in accordance with the Fourth Geneva Convention." 60 years ago it was unacceptable for Jews to live in Europe. In our present day, the EU legitimizes the maiming and murder of Jews for living in their Jewish homeland. In 1922, Britain illegally gave MOST OF PALESTINE-80% TO THE ARABS. The area became Jordan, giving the Arabs an Arab Palestinian state on JEWISH land. IT WAS ETHNICALLY CLEANSED OF JEWS. This area is part of ancient, Biblical Israel, and along with present-day Israel, including Judea, Samaria, Gaza and the Golan was recognized by the League of Nations as the Jewish homeland. In 1948, Egypt invaded Gaza and ethnically cleansed ALL Jews. In 1948, Jordan invaded Judea-Samaria (West Bank) and east Jerusalem and ETHNICALLY CLEANSED ALL JEWS. Jordan, opposing G-D DESTROYED 58 synagogues in Jerusalem. In 1967 when Israel won Islam's religious war of aggression against it, Jews returned to the areas of their homeland they had been ethnically cleansed from for 19 years. Islamofascists and their powerful allies DECEITFULLY call this return "occupation". Under international law, territories are considered "occupied" only when taken in an act of aggression which does not apply to Israel. Judea, Samaria and Gaza are not 'occupied territories' according to international law because they were not taken from any foreign sovereign. There NEVER was an Arab country of Palestine. The hands of the EU are bloody.
76. #31
(12.05.05)
Gee, let me think. And the answer is THE PALESTINIANS! And you can bet that his family who claim to be so shocked will be glad to take the martyr money.
77. We are all behind Prez Abbas
Salameh ,   Gaza, Palestine   (12.05.05)
We, the Palestinian people denounce such act as much as we denounce Mofaz assasinations of our youth and children. It is high time that the gouverment of Israel along with the public of Israel know that we have share this land and start talking peace. Walls and assasinations will not solve no problem. Let's curb our extremists and yours, let's talk peace, let's not act superios to one another, and let's talk logic. Enough nonesense and enough messiakh myths. I extend my sympathy to all the victims. I know some fanatics are going to write back some trash, and that proves my point. Those racists are the true problem along with those who were behind the attack today. Enough.
78. #77, talk is cheap -- DO SOMETHING
Shuki   (12.05.05)
Stop blaming Israel and the rest of the world for your problem, Salameh. Get your house in order, oppose the militants, and do something more than cry weakness. Abbas has 60,000 plus policemen on the payroll, for crying out loud. His only weakness is weakness of willpower. Militancy is Abbas's problem, and it's your problem too, Salameh. Unless you stand up to it, you'll be destroyed with it. Don't think the Israelis will play this silly game forever.
79. The real problem
LT   (12.05.05)
We have to look at the big picture here - islamic jihad,hamas and other pieces of excrement like them are at the very bottom of hierarchy of hatred and destruction against Israel. The chain of command looks like this: iran - syria - local terror groups (hamas, jiha, etc). Killing members of west bank and gaza terror groups and even their leader, although necessary, will not solve our security problems permanently. IDF must annihilate any arab carrying a weapon in the territories - but for every fallen scumbag there will be two more. So there are three steps to winning a battle against islamic fascists - against the green poison as I like to call it. 1) Extermination of local - located inw est bank and gaza - terror cells. That's what IDF is doing but instead of performing operations right after another suicide bombing for a week or two and then halting them to "stabilize the political situation in the region and to give PA chairman a chance" until another palestinian dog strikes, Israel should make this a 24/7 effort until either a) most of local terrorist are sent for meet-and-greet with72 virgins b) terror groups disarm and give up all their weapons (highly unlikely) 2) A much more important step is to deal with Syria - international pressure that is happening now is good but what e need is a change in government there (ideally create a revolution there but unfortunately U.S. is stuck in Iraq so that would be challenging to accomplish). Syria backs hizbollah, syria has offices of hamas, islamic jihad, etc So by taking Syria out of business (how? I don't know, but there has to be a way) their channels of financing and logistical support would be severely damaged. 3) Most important - iran. I think we do not have a problem with most iranina s living there - sure, they are brainwashed, but enormous youth population there does not want to live in 17th century so once the spark of revolution is there, they will help us (us - Israel, U.S. and the free, democratic world in general) and help themselves by overthrowing their insane islamic government. Iran is a difficult one to deal with - what is need is a) destroy iran's nuclear facilities before they have their first bomb b) make sure that at least part of revolutionary guard in iran will support/initiate revolution c) help progressive iranians make their revolution a success. Friends! When syria will be "re-designed" palestinian terror will decrease dramatically. And when iran will be out of commission Israel will solve its security problems once and for all! Let's hope that this vision will become a reality as soon as possible. In the meantime, let's with our boys at IDF good luck - they have some serious roach killing to do in west bank!
80. Advice for #52
Kyle ,   Southpark, CO, USA   (12.05.05)
Mr. #52: Muslims must stop their occupation of France. Muslims must stop their occupation of Sweden. Muslims must stop their occupation of Denmark. Muslims must stop their occupation of the Netherlands. Muslims must stop their occupation of the U.K. Muslims must stop their occupation of Australia. Muslims must stop their occupation of Canada. GET OUT OF OUR LANDS!
81. U.S. EU UN FULLY AWARE PA GOAL IS ANNIHILATION OF ISRAEL
Linda Rivera ,   New York   (12.05.05)
ISRAEL IS OFFERED UP AS A SECOND CZECHOSLOVAKIA Every single one of the PA's security services are involved in terrorist attacks against Israel. PLO terrorists were implanted into Israel through Oslo to commit mass murder and terrorism. THAT IS WHAT TERRORISTS DO. The U.S, UK EU, and UN are fully aware that the goal of the Palestinian Authority and other terrorist organizations is total annihilation of Israel. An Islamic terror state in the Jewish Holy Land enables that goal. Part of article from: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 Islamic Jihad says all Palestinians united Leader says total annihilation of Israel joint strategy © 2005 WorldNetDaily.com http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45917 "In a news conference in Damascus, the leader of the Palestinian Islamic Jihad today boasted all Palestinian groups remain united in the goal of annihilating the Jewish state of Israel. With Palestinian Authority Prime Minister Ahmed Qureia looking on, Ramazan Abdullah, secretary general of the Palestinian Islamic Jihad, said the Palestinian Authority and all Palestinian movements have reached agreement on a joint strategy after Israel's evacuation of the Gaza Strip. "This war would continue till full liberation of Palestine, restoration of the denied rights of the whole Palestinian nation and briefly speaking uprooting of the usurper Israeli regime," he said, according to a translation by the official Iranian Islamic Republic News Agency..." The hostile actions of the U.S. and EU to loyal ally, Israel, is against everything the U.S. has ever stood for, and against everything Americans believe in: freedom, justice, human rights, and the belief that we are all created equal. Unless the U.S. UK EU, and UN completely reverse their horrifying anti-Jew, anti-Israel policies, it will be evident that the U.S. EU and UN have taken their stand with the terrorists against innocents.
82. #4 Ali, you lack common decency
AK   (12.05.05)
You statement, even before the victims of Arab barbarity are even burried shows complete lack of common decency that defines civilized people.
83. llior, bush and Europe are enablers but Arabs are murderers.
ak   (12.05.05)
84. #38 Start changing your Arab brothers
AK   (12.05.05)
If you suffer, then change those who create unrest and cause mayhem. Yes, you may be innocent of killing, but whom do you support. You didn't condemn those Arabs responsible for the Netanya mass murder? No, you simply do not want the Israelis to inconvenience you on account of some murdered Jews. You want to have the privilege of working and earning a living in Israel and complete freedom to murder Israelis, all at the same time? Sorry, but it is one benefit you really shouldn’t be allowed to enjoy.
85. #65 U.S. RACIST JEW-HATE DESTROYS JEWS' HUMAN RIGHTS
Linda Rivera ,   New York   (12.06.05)
22 HUGE, OIL-WEALTHY Arab states cover over six million square miles, over ten percent of the land surface of earth. TINY, over-crowded Israel, only one tenth of one percent of the Middle East. America is breaking U.S. laws which make it illegal to discriminate based on race or religion. Demanding forcible removal of Jews from the Jewish homeland based on race-Jews and RELIGION-JUDAISM. So far, 10,000 Jews are jobless and homeless. In an act of sadistic cruelty, Jewish refugees are forced to pay mortgages on their destroyed homes. IT TOOK THE GLOBAL VILLAGE TO RAISE THESE TERRORISTS. Thousands of Jewish greenhouses and hundreds of Jewish farms built on land that NEVER belonged to Arabs were gifted to Palestinian Authority terrorist organization. Does the U.S. government plan to eliminate laws making it illegal to discriminate based on race or religion? Or, does the U.S. government plan to add a clause stating, THE LAW DOES NOT APPLY TO JEWS? In 1922, the British illegally gave Muslims most of Jewish Palestine-80%; the area became Jordan, giving Muslims an Arab Palestinian state. It was ethnically cleansed of Jews. The destroyers of Jews' human rights-U.S. EU and UN, are determined to massively increase joblessness and homelessness of Jews. The U.S. EU and UN demand the forcible removal of hundreds of thousands of Jews from Judea and Samaria. It is a crime against humanity for Israeli leaders to comply. Oslo-Road Map destroyed the human rights of Christians who suffer horrific persecution under brutal occupation of PLO/PA. From: 'Christianity Dying In Its Birthplace' By Daniel Pipes FrontPageMagazine.com | September 13, 2005 http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=19453 “Almost every day – I repeat, almost every day – our communities are harassed by the Islamic extremists in these regions,” Pizzaballa says. “And if it’s not the members of Hamas or Islamic Jihad, there are clashes with … the Palestinian Authority.” In addition to the Islamists, a “Muslim land mafia” is said to operate. With PA complicity. it threatens Christian land and house owners, often succeeding to compel them to abandon their properties. The campaign of persecution has succeeded...Bethlehem and Nazareth, historic Christian towns for nearly two millennia, are now primarily Muslim. In 1922, Christians outnumbered Muslims in Jerusalem; today, Christians amount to a mere 2 percent of that city’s population." This MASSIVE ATTACK ON JUDAISM AND CHRISTIANITY by U.S. EU, and UN has ominous implications for every Jew and Christian on earth. Where are the human rights organizations???
86. response to post 36 (Gabor)
Abdullah ,   Kuwait City, Kuwait   (12.06.05)
>Where did you take this information >from? Al Jazeera News ??? So, I >understand it! I do not get my news from Al Jazeera nor I get it from the IBA! >"Innocent" Palestinians (even >children) go out to attack IDF >military trucks, convoys, mobs... In >an area of military situation where >radical Islamists manipulate their >Muslim brothers and seek refugee >in civilians' houses, no wonder if >Arab civilians die. Keep "your" >children at home and don't teach >them to kill! I am not condoning the way the Palestinian people exposing of their children to the brutal and trigger happy IDF! It is a fact that IDF only treat you as a human if they know they are dealing with a Jew! And I wonder if you recall the brutal murdering of Arab Israelis at the beginning of the second Palestinian Uprising! You also know how humanely the IDF treated the terrorist settlers of Gaza! You know and I know, the Palestinians or Arab Israelis would NEVER be treated in such humane way!
87. We are the real idiots!
Stu Mishory ,   River Edge, NJ USA   (12.06.05)
Seriously, do we really want peace? We need to show these people that we are not playing and really want change. We can not stand for this type of violence and must hit the terrorists hard. WE need to seal the territories, and allow NO movement, Israeli Plates and Israeli ID's included. This is a militarized boarder. and this is a war. At this point, it is irrelevant what "claims" certain Israeli's have land in the territories. This is a war despite whatever anyone wants to call it. We can not fight a war with our citizens behind enemy lines. I am not saying nescessarilly saying "Land for Peace," I am saying get the hell put of the territories, so the army can properly fight a war without interferance from civilians in the territories who think they know better than the army.
88. #77
Jane ,   New York   (12.06.05)
The Messiah is not a myth. Don't denigrate our faith. We don't denigrate yours.
89. Yakir and Gil and Gabor
Salameh ,   Gaza, Palestine   (12.06.05)
The first two racists deserve nothing from me, not even spit as they're not even worth it. Urging your occupation army to come kill 30 Palestinians will not do you nor your occupation any good, since at the end nothing will diminish our determination to statehood and freedom. Your comments make you no different than those who sent the bomber today. You are all the same. For Gabor, I didn't see anyone running after you begging you to embrace Islam, or did I? ignorant people can never be enlightened even if you bring the sun to their forehead.
90. Why we blame everybody except the real responsible?
Uzziel   (12.06.05)
At this point of the "game" does anybody have the slightest doubt that if the fakestinians could send 10 bombers per day they would do it? They would send the terrorists TO THE PEOPLE OF ISRAEL, not to the European Union, to the arab States, to the United States, to the United Nations... So why we blame everybody else except ourselves for not taking a final determination? Tonight another party with people dancing in the streets of our land.
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