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IDF soldier killed at roadblock
Efrat Weiss
Published: 08.12.05, 23:11
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1. Israel's Downward Spiral
Marcel ,   Florida   (12.08.05)
Israel's soft approach has failed and there is no peace after 12 years of this effort. There was a time when Israel had red lines, There was a time when Israel held fast to it's security demands and refused to be bullied. Those days are long gone. The Palestinians know they can get all they want and more from an Israel in free fall. Israel ,always surrendering to and appeasing the Palestinians has only itself to blame when it's worst fears are realized. Israel has yeilded it's sovereignty over to an oppressive superpower which dictates a process which leads to only one place ,the lion's mouth and there is no real leadership in Israel to slow down or halt the downward spiral. There is no one in Israel speaking out against the Road Map ! In spite of the 12 + year record of U.S. failure with it's 'peace' plans starting with Oslo ,Israel continues to bow to unrealistic demands and caves in at every opportunity to the terrorists under U.S. pressure. Signs of desperation and suicide are evident and they only encourage Israel's enemies to fulfill their goal. Israel has become the great pushover, there is no part of it's body it will not saw off for a false peace ,no insanity they will not attempt in obedience to the suicidal Road Map vision of Mr. Bush. Israel ,once again is led passivly onto the cattle car's to the camps and eventually to the ovens.
2. I'm curious about Salameh's comment on this ;-)
Yakir   (12.08.05)
3. Let them survive
Christopher ,   Boston, MASS USA   (12.08.05)
It is long past due that Israel treat the Palestinians for what they are:a savage people steeped in blood lust. Israel, for its own sake, should totally shut down the crossings and let the world see how the Palestinians survive in their independence. Every other state, including the US, would shut its borders to a hostile neighbor without one word or comment from other states. Israel is no different. Shut the borders! Leave the Palestinians alone!
4. Yes, shut the borders!!
Yakir   (12.08.05)
We will stay here and you stay there!
5. my openian
not salameh ,   jerusalem   (12.08.05)
in this month one palastinian was shot in alessaweya block another is beaten by the soldiers at anata block and he is now in icu and these i know from israili knews ,...so i think it is individual action that we all remember iman abou alhims no court and if there is no justice all these crimes in the name of security so nosecurity to both palastinian and israili
6. Kalandia
yafa ,   Ramallah   (12.08.05)
why don't you mention in your caption that Kalandia Israeli checkpoint has been terrorizing Palestinians for the last 4 years or so. And the person who is stabbed is not 'an Israeli' like any Israeli. It is a soldier. I am against violence of all kinds, but I was really disgusted when reading your caption. because it tells part of the truth.
7. bottom line
joe ,   philly ,pa.   (12.08.05)
we kill them ,they butcher us... bottom line is that we cannot live with the arabs in our midst--- all arabs should be transfered via an agreed upon arrangement and compensation back to arabia!
8. to #6
joe ,   philly ,pa.   (12.08.05)
the only finger you should ponit in blame is towards yourself and your other arab, leaders ,especially ,the dead one... i the road block are only there in order to protect isralis from your friends carrying bombs and belts to explode is israel. those road blocks are a necessary responst to the wave of savagery terror aimed at israeli civilians. if you don't want the road blocks, convince the terrorists to stop killing innocent isralis ,and soldiers too!
9. Joe
Greg   (12.08.05)
It's ok, you dont live here, so you dont really know facts on the ground. The fact is, all these checkpoints exist in Palestinian areas, not on the borders, so your argument that their purpose is defensive is invalid. Putting our soldiers in these areas is simply irresponsible, it's an invitation to these kind of acts. Arabs are here to stay my friend, we can do whatever, they will always be around, and we should do our best to integrate them rather than continuing to show hostility toward them. Your suggestion is also called ethnic cleansing, it's immoral, and for a jew to engage in this, is a tragedy.
10. "IDF gets 'green light'"
Adam ,   Falasteen   (12.08.05)
I do not recall a day when it was a red or yellow light. The soliders on the check points are hand picked to have bad quality by all standards. These are the words of an arm general. I have been through these check points and the soliders go out of their way to make people suffer.
11. # 4 + # 7 YANKEE JEWS, Yeeeeee Ha
(12.08.05)
WHAT MORONS... israel is occupying the land !!! REPEAT: occupying. this is not a border crossing, comprende estupido... go guard your borders with mexico
12. another proof of racism
Sam ,   Alquds, Palestine   (12.08.05)
Racist remarks come from across the sea, Boston, Switzerland and other distant places. Kalandia is not a checkpoint which divides the Palestinians from the Israelis. It is a checkpoint which has Palestinians on both sides, which means it does nothing for the "Israeli Security". It is just another roadblock which stops the Palestinians from moving freely from a palestinian place to the neighboring Palestinian place, and is used by the Israeli Occupation Forces in order to make life harder for the Palestinians since it serves no particular reason. It is also a point of very high friction due to the presence of a refugee camp just across the street. So please guys, do not comment on anything unless you know what you are talking about. As for that leave them alone, well, we never asked for more than that, just leave us alone.
13. #4. Yes, shut the borders!!
observer   (12.08.05)
It's impossible! There are settlers in the West Bank and there are Palestinians who must cross the fence to get to their fields and schools! What a mess!
14. to greg
joe ,   philly ,pa.   (12.08.05)
for your info ,i have lived in israle fo many years ,and know the inracacies very well... so please don't patronize! secondly ,there's nothing imorral but practical in suggesting a total seperations of the 2 cultures--- look at cyprus-- the moslems were moved from the christian side to "their section", and vice a versa. so it has been done before with great results. the point is ,that so many of "bleeding hearts"brothers ,fail to see is that the arabs will never agree to a jewish entity in their midst! the sooner you get it thru your thick skull ,the sooner this transfer will take place for everybody's sake!
15. You forget to mention Qassams hit Sederot Too
(12.08.05)
Sharon is getting Arab votes all over the place
16. Joe
Greg ,   Jerusalem   (12.08.05)
You're an idiot, what do you propose, putting a gun to their head and forcing them to leave, and if they refuse shoot them, what is this kind of fascism you're proposing. According to your logic you idiot, all settlers should move back to Israel since they hate palestinians, and since they're only a minority in palestinian areas. If that was your proposal, then I'm sorry, it makes sense, let's go ahead and put a gun to their heads and force them to come back to israel. Demographics in cyprus are drastically different you fucking shmuck, the 57 thousand turks who immigrated from the greek side chose to leave and werent forced to. Besides, if they were forced, do you honestly believe that it is as easy to move 3 million palestinians to other arab countries, haa,
17. israel's walls, check points, terror and propaganda are us
eyewitness ,   usa   (12.08.05)
18. DESTROY PALESTINIANS THE ONLY SOLUTION
(12.08.05)
19. to # 12
Birdi ,   Israel   (12.08.05)
You want to be left alone?????? then STOP killing Israelis; = civilians & soldiers.
20. Adam, a you the Shapira guy, who'd made all the NY papers
AK   (12.08.05)
to his Brooklyn- residing -parent's total embarrassment?
21. just yesterday
(12.08.05)
just yesterday you were all happy and celebrating the victory of the IDF on a small car have been shot by the most modern weapons in the world and you made all all a tost for this victory ... and i told you should be worry not happy after such action and don't forget to cry when the anwer will come because it's endless story , circle of blood shed , but most of you were like some vamires thirthy for blood weree jumping from happiness for the killing of one Palistinian activist and wounding many civilians , and now again you scream like each time kill them , shoot them ,,, no wise voices says stop you both and let's be fair and to give this people part of their rights that they can live normal and not to give more reasons to kill you , those people lost their humanity on the hands of your IDF and has nothing more to lose don't you understand this point they have nothing more to lose so they are able to do anything and the IDF give enough reasons whith treating them like dogs on the bloody check points ... you can again shout and scream and roller will turn and i can tell from now what will happend in the next days because it's an old movie we saw it and we will see it again and again ... keep on thinking by this way and let the blood shed from all the sides
22. Eye for Eye
Wise Man ,   USA   (12.08.05)
You kill Platenains, they will kill Israeli That is how it works..Belive it or not.
23. #6
Jane ,   New York   (12.08.05)
A check point terrorizes you? At least you can go home from there. This young man never will. Your attempt at equivalence is nauseating.
24. yes eye for eye
(12.08.05)
on Jewish wrote here yesterday after the killing of one the Palistinian activists that his Bible saye Eye for Eye ... ok here is it ... another Eye for Eye back .... are you happy now ?
25. a innocent murdeed
richard Hitchings ,   methil   (12.08.05)
yup but it need not happen if the said man (or woman) was not there
26. ATT: PRES BUSH
DACON9 ,   GRAVEYARDS OF SHARON   (12.09.05)
EVERY DEATH IS YOUR RESPONSIBLITY. THIS *IS* THE BIGGER PICTURE YOU DONT SEE IT BECAUSE YOU DONT WANT TO YOU HAVE DONE WHAT NO OTHER POLITICIAN HAS DONE WEAKENED ISRAEL LIKE DELILAH TO SAMSON AND TOOK AWAY 'GD ' FROM ISRAEL BY PROMOTING THOSE THAT HAVE NO GD IN THEIR HEART WHAT DOES YOUR PREACHER MAN SAY ABOUT THAT?
27. Man for man you cowards..
palestinian ,   palestine   (12.09.05)
Yes eye for eye and compare like this till you reach man for man if you still have men to stand face to face in front of palestinians...!!
28. Al Quds??#12
Christopher ,   Boston, MASS USA   (12.09.05)
The only place "al quds" exists is in a an Arab rag sheet of that name. It is JERUSALEM, undivided eternal capital of the democracy known as Israel. Lest you forget, we still await the formation of even one FREE and DEMOCRATIC Arab state. And what Palestinians? Until 1967, when the eastern sector of th capital was occupied by Jordan , not one Arab or muslim state ever mentioned it as a "capital" for a Palestinian state. In fact, no one discussed a Palestnian state. It was your brothers that occupied the lands from 198 to 1967. You forget that Jerusalem was ORIGINALLY supposed to be an international city. The Jews accepted that. It was the Arabs that wanted otherwise and started numerous wars. As the saying goes, Al-Turd, don't start a "holy war" you cannot win. For when you lose, to the victor goes what is his. Now, you should be more concerned as to why the average Palstinian lives in squalor while the Palestinian leaders have mansions throughout the Mediteranean and France.
29. Kill every terrorist, no mercy on terrorists, no red light.
Bunnie Meyer ,   Santa Monica, CA   (12.09.05)
30. #28
A Bethlehemite ,   Palestine   (12.09.05)
We've demanded a state since we defeated the Turks. We've official demanded independance in 1919. And if you read the material in the annual Arab league meetings, it'll answer all your questions. 1919 First Palestinian National Congress meeting in Jerusalem sends two memoranda to Versailles rejecting Balfour Declaration and demanding independence. http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/brits.html Arab league sessions: http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Peace/legsess.html
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