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Arab MK: Israel ‘robbery of century’
Ronny Shaked
Published: 18.12.05, 09:50
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91. Bishara - The Poster Boy For treason Charges
Adina Kutnicki ,   NJ   (12.18.05)
It should be stated in a clear and cogent manner that no sane person would state that Bishara's expressions are just "democratic" rights of free speech. Not. Free speech does not include treason. Those who declare the destruction of their own country from a gov't podium, AND go to enemy countries to cheer them on, is nothing short of a traitor. Those on the far left in the US Congress have always voiced opposition to gov't policy. However, I challenge anyone to find one member who championed US destruction as a member of Congress! Israel's gov't no loner has ANY red lines. Not only do they allow the enemy to get closer and refuse to destroy them, but they do not even sanction their own reps who call for their collective death. It is time for all who care about survival in Israel to form a people's brigade. Bishara must be considered public enemy number one and arrested promptly - by all who dare to confront this grwoing internal menace.
92. A response to Hitchings
Kate ,   London   (12.18.05)
"I will have time to write a proper post to the effect that will show that Palestine/ Israel. is really no place for a gal from London .. or.. New york " A proper place is anywhere a Jew is not compelled to breathe the same air as an anti-Semitic and ill-educated European gentile like yourself. A "gal"? Don't flatter yourself; you're not fit to clean my shoes.
93. Orthodox Jew Says Bishara is Correct
Dovy ,   Toronto   (12.18.05)
Of course Azmi Bishara is correct. Of course the Zionists invaded the country without the permission of the native inhabitants and engaged in ethnic cleansing and ghettoization. What else would you call it?! What are Palestinians supposed to do? Simply accept the Zionist racist regime with great love?!
94. Israel is a criminal entity that has never had a moral, lega
(12.18.05)
Nov. 29, 1947, “Partition Plan" (UN General Assembly Resolution 181) was never ratified by the Security Council, and thus any division of Palestine into Jewish and non-Jewish areas was never illegal. Moreover, a UNGA Resolution is only binding if all parties to it agree to be bound by its terms, which in this case did not happen. Second, the General Assembly had no right under the UN Charter to take land from one people (Arabs) and give it to another people (European Jews). Three, David ben Gurion declared Israeli statehood on May 15, 1948, even though the term of UNGA Res. 181 had not expired. Therefore, the creation of Israel was a land grab contrary to the UN and international law. Four, Israel was admitted to the UN on May 11, 1949, only after it agreed to sign UNGA Res. 273, by which it recognized the right of all Palestinians to return to their homes and receive compensation.
95. # 77 Sal Azzam you are confused
Bezalel ,   Tel Aviv   (12.18.05)
Sorry pal, but the real crime against humanity is being perpetrated by the arab nations against the palestinian arabs by keeping them in refugee camps all over the middle east, and not allowing them to integrate into society- using them as pawns in a dar al harb game to destroy Israel, rather than showing then real compassion and giving them freedom. This has caused them to lose hope of living a normal life, and has 'brainwashed' them into becoming suicide bombers, etc. Also, the Nazi - type, mafia-style misuse of Islam has resulted in honour killings or threats thereof, also influencing these people to choose the suicide bomber 'shahid' path. Israel is merely doing what it has always done, i.e. taken practical steps to deal with the situation it finds itself in. Israel has no leverage in global geopolitics, unlike the arabs, who control the UN and European governments today.
96. To #94
Dovy ,   Toronto   (12.18.05)
Very straightforward comment! Only the word should be "never LEGAL" not "never ILLEGAL." Indeed, since the 1947 was merely a recommendation, it did not have to be binding at all, and all territories taken by the Zionists since then are also occupied territories. That includes Jerusalem, ALL of it! Judaism is not Zionism!
97. To Bezalel
Dovy ,   Toronto   (12.18.05)
Poor Bezalel. He has what is called cognitive dissonance, as do all Zionists. They expect they can do all sorts of crimes against the Palestinians for almost 60 years, and the Palestinians are going to simply stay home, say "yes, Massa" and recite psalms all day.........What a bunch of weirdos.
98. bshara should stay in lebanon!
me ,   here   (12.18.05)
it is the arabs who should leaveisrale. this country is for jews nad other loyal minorities. bshara can take his stincky, hateful rethoric and shove it where the sun don't shine ... beleive me, he'll enjoy it too!
99. #19 Sharon and Bishara are not so different
ilan ,   Ariel   (12.18.05)
"I rather hope that his constituents will see his crass hypocrisy: running through a democratic system for a mandate in a democratic institution, both of which he despises." Fits Dr. Duce to a T
100. To No. 48 - Perpetual Wet Dream
NYC Girl   (12.18.05)
Since you're so smart, do you have any advice as to what my Israeli husband should about the people who stole his grandma's house in Iraq?
101. response to 93#
Steven Wilson ,   Anchorage, Alaska   (12.18.05)
Give me a break. Ghettoization occured when everyone decided to have ten kids and ran out of room for all of them. America had 33 million inhabitants in 1861. Now we have close to 300 million. Does that mean New York city is the Ghettoization of New York? Populations grow and areas that were not populated at one time can be construed as being a ghetto. And yes, the palestinians can pretty much get along with everyone in every other country they live in. My neighbor who is a palestinian shares American land with americans. He can rent the land, buy the land, rent a house, buy a house. This land was taken from american indians which I happen to be. Are the palestinians considering the fact that they live on my land? no they are not. I don't want the land back anyways. The point is, the land that Israel is living on was taken from them by the Arabs who refuse to live with these interlopers because they are jews. Most of the Arabs in Israel at this time weren't even alive in 1948. Buy some land for petes sakes. It worked for my Palestinian neighbor. It worked for me. At some point you have to realize that you were not born with a silver spoon in your mouth. People just don't give you land when you are born. You have to purchase the land.
102. #93 LIES! RUTHLESS PERSECUTION DRIVES OUT PA CHRISTIANS
Linda Rivera ,   New York   (12.18.05)
A Christmas without Christians By Abraham H. Miller FrontPageMagazine.com | December 16, 2005 Since the Palestinian Authority’s takeover of Bethlehem in 1995, under the Oslo Accords with Israel, Bethlehem has been transformed from a Christian city into a Muslim city. Bethlehem’s remaining Christians now live in a condition of dhimmitude (a reference to the second-class citizenship Islam imposes on Christians) in the city of Jesus’ birth. The Palestinians brought with them a political system based on primitive tribal relations, where the power of one’s clan became a substitute for the law. As a consequence, Christians have suffered civil outrage and criminal violence without recourse to justice. Christians have been refusing to live under these conditions and have been leaving Bethlehem in large numbers. ....the Orwellian message of the American Arab Anti-discrimination Committee (AADC) that held a candle lighting vigil on November 29, 2005 for Bethlehem’s Christians at San Francisco’s Union Square...
103. To Dovy, Toronto
NYC Girl   (12.18.05)
Come on, Dovy. Tell the truth. Tell people who those Orthodox Jews you're talking about really are. They're the demented religious fanatics from Naturei Karta and this has nothing to do with racism, because you know damned well that Zionism isn't racist and you're just spewing bulls--t. You hate the fact that Israel is a secular state because your belief is that Israel can't exist until the Messiah comes. I have a news flash for you, Dovy. Your so-called Messiah ain't coming any time soon. It's all a load of superstitious nonsense.
104. Dovy
Jane ,   New York   (12.18.05)
You and your Naturei Karta and Eda Haredit blasphemers will rot. Israel would not have been reborn if Hashem did not want it. And the Zionists were and are his messengers. You are a shanda!
105. 103 NYC Girl. Stop your Bulls..t
NYC MAN   (12.18.05)
Israel is a racist JEWISH state NOT a secular state. You are fake. You call yourself a Democracy: 1. Israel has no constitution. A constitution is a must for any democracy 2. Israel is a self-declared Jewish state. Its army drafts almost exclusively Jews 3. Israel's immigration policy discriminates on the basis of religion. 4. Israel militarily occupies lands belonging to its neighbours. For nearly 40 years, it has subjected their indigenous populations to terror and deprivation through military violence. 5. Israel has never admitted wrongdoing 6. Israel is a threatening nuclear power. Israel's nuclear capability is a potential weapon of mass destruction towards its neighbours and the world. 7. Israel refuses to see itself as part of Asia or the Middle East 8. Israeli Jews are obligated to follow the Halakah. The Halakah (Jewish Law) rules in matters of divorce; there is no civil dissolution of marriage allowed. Halakah Law also forbids Israeli Jews from marrying outside their faith. This restrictive and discriminatory method of maintaining "racial purity" 9. Israeli towns with significant Arab populations are under-funded.Discrimination is abound against non-jewush(second class citizens) 10. Israeli schools openly teach hatred towards Palestinians.
106. To JK no 51
Mikael ,   New Zealand   (12.18.05)
Psalm 135:4 For the LORD has chosen Jacob to be His own, Israel to be His treasured possession. G-D Leviticus 20:24 But I said to you, " I will give it to you as an inheritance, a land flowing with milk and honey." I am the LORD who has set you apart among the nations - G-D Psalm 69:35 For the LORD will save Zion and rebuild the cities of Judah. Then people will settle there and possess it; the children of His servants will inherit it, and those who love His name will dwell there G-D Deuteronomy 1:21 See, I have given you this land. Go in and take possession of the Land that the LORD swore He would give to your Fathers - to Abraham, Issac and Jacob - and to their decendants after them." G_D and many more...... and for Zionism and the existence of the modern State of Israel- Ezekiel 37:11 Then He said to me," Son of man, these bones are the whole House of Israel. They say, 'Our bones are dried up and and our hope is gone; we are cut off. Therefore prophesy and say to them: "This is what the Sovereign LORD says: O my people, I am going to open your graves and bring you up from them: I will put my Spirit in you and you will live, and I will settle you in your own land. Then you will know that I the LORD have spoken, and I have done it, decalres the LORD! G_D Joel 3:17 "Then you will know that I, the LORD your G_D, will dwell in Zion, my Holy hill. Jerusalem will be holy: never again will foreigners invade her...... Verse 19 But Egypt will be desolate, Edom a desert waste, because of violence done to the people of Judah, in whose land they shed innocent blood. Judah will be inhabited forever and Jerusalem through all generations. The LORD dwells in Zion. G_D Psalm 121:4 He who watches over Israel neither slumbers or sleeps. G_D If you want to quote from books try some from the only Book that speaks the truth. Yom Tov, Shalom
107. EVIL LIES in U.S. & more details ON CHRISTIANS DRIVEN OUT
Linda Rivera ,   New York   (12.18.05)
Ynet deleted almost ALL of my comment! ....the Orwellian message of the American Arab Anti-discrimination Committee (AADC) that held a candle lighting vigil on November 29, 2005 for Bethlehem’s Christians at San Francisco’s Union Square... Muslims in Bethlehem make the lives of Christians unbearable and force them to flee their ancestral homes while Muslims in America hold a vigil to blame the Jews. To understand how the Christians became a minority and the victims of thuggery in the city of Jesus’ birth, it is important to see just what Arafat did to Bethlehem once he got his hands on it. In 1995, Yasser Arafat gained control of Bethlehem and immediately expanded its municipal boundaries to include 30,000 Muslims living in neighboring refugee camps. Next, Muslim Bedouins living east of Bethlehem were incorporated into revised municipal boundaries. All this was still not enough for the PA to change the status of Bethlehem as a Christian city. But then Arafat created inducements for Muslims to leave Hebron and the area around it and move to Bethlehem. With Arafat’s government by clan, by gun, and by terror, a land Mafia developed that began expropriating land from Christians. In 2002, two Christian teenage sisters were found with their throats slit and their genitals mutilated. Muslims claimed the Amer sisters were prostitutes, as if that were justification for torture and murder. But Christians familiar with similar incidents claim the girls were murdered to cover up a gang rape. Of course, none of this appears in the AADC’s call for the candlelight vigil that is also designed to showcase the AADC’s divestment campaign against Israel. Indeed, just this week, the Vatican, in a rare diplomatic move, called publicly on the Israelis to intervene in Bethlehem on behalf of its severely receding Christian population. Now totaling less than 12% of Bethlehem’s population, Christians, who have been the targets of continual PA violence, might leave entirely. The result will be that in the place where Jesus was born there will no longer be a Christian community. In the West Bank town of Taibe marauding Muslims burned, looted and beat Christian residents in the name of a Muslim family’s “honor,” a family whose father had brutally beaten his daughter to death for wanting to marry a Christian. The violent Muslim mob burned a statue of the Virgin Mary and shouted, “Burn the Crusaders!” PA fire and security forces took their time arriving on the scene, appearing hours later. In the end, the mob was almost immediately released from jail. Meanwhile, the Christian fiancée of the murdered woman was arrested and beaten while incarcerated. http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=20567
108. Treason -should never let him back
elianna ,   Jerusalem   (12.18.05)
How can anyone with views like that be in the Knesset? This is situation is suicidal for Israel.
109. #93
Robert Goldman ,   cooper city Florida   (12.18.05)
the Jews you speak of and support also support terrorist attacks against Israel are and were the bankers for arafat wept at his grave etc, these are not real jews to any Jew I know these are Cultists that should get out of Israel and stop sucking the teat of the country they hate!
110. #105
Robert Goldman ,   cooper city Florida   (12.18.05)
For the sake of all go back to school and re take your history classes you failed!!
111. 102 LINDA . Jesus hater
Watching you ,   NYC   (12.18.05)
“Mary, God has chosen thee, and purified thee. He has chosen thee above all women. ....Mary, God gives thee good tidings from Him whose name is Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary. High honored shall he be, in this world and the next, stationed near to God. He shall speak to men in the cradle and of old age, and righteous shall he be.” “Blessed has he made me,” said Jesus, “wherever I may be, and He has enjoined me to give alms, so long as I live, and likewise to cherish my mother. He has not made me arrogant or unprosperous. Peace be upon me the day that I was born, and the day that I die, and the day that I am raised up alive.” This is what the KORAN says about Jesus. Now let's see what your book says about him: 1-According to the Talmud, Jesus was executed by a proper rabbinical court for idolatry 2-Secondly, for theological reasons, mostly rooted in ignorance, Christianity as a religion is classed by rabbinical teaching as idolatry. This is based on a crude interpretation of the Christian doctrines on the Trinity and Incarnation. All the Christian emblems and pictorial representations are regarded as 'idols' - even by those Jews who literally worship scrolls, stones or personal belongings of 'Holy Men'. 3-The attitude of Judaism towards Islam is, in contrast, relatively mild. Although the stock epithet given to Muhammad is 'madman' ('meshugga'), this was not nearly as offensive as it may sound now, and in any case it pales before the abusive terms applied to Jesus. IS IT NOT A CUSTOMARY / TRADITION FOR JEWS TO spit (usually three times) upon seeing a church or a crucifix.?
112. #103 Naturei Karta DON'T serve a Messiah. They serve the PA
Linda Rivera ,   New York   (12.18.05)
Naturei Karta prefer a Palestinian state in place of Israel. Naturei Karta need to wear cool summer clothing for where they are going.
113. So you are the Speculator?
Steven Wilson ,   Anchorage, Alaska   (12.18.05)
Come on, what liberal university taught you all this hate the Jew speech. The mean old Israelis wouldn't let you marry your jewish girlfriend? The palestinians lands were stolen! Maybe you haven't been keeping up with US Law lately. The Supreme Court and your liberal buddies just gave every city the right to seize everyones property for the good of a few rich land developers. So how does the United States differ from Israel. What, are we the only ones that get to protect ourselves from our enemies? By the way. I'm American Indian. If you want to give my land back, you have my permission to get on a plane and fly back to where you crawled over here from. I'll make a list of all your transgressions: 1. You killed my ancestors 2. You are an arrogant individual 3. You haven't payed for your time on my land. 4. You forced your religion down our throat. 5. You never apologized. 6.You butchered women and children indescriminately. 7. You never asked permission to set foot on my land. What a pompous hypocrite you are from New York. So Brilliant, yet so forgetfull of your notorious past.
114. To #111, Watching you, NYC
Linda Rivera ,   New York   (12.18.05)
In the Islamic invasion and filthy desecration of Jesus Christ' birthplace, Church of Nativity, BIBLES WERE TORN UP FOR TOILET PAPER. It was an act against G-D. Inscribed in those Bibles are the laws G-D gave to Moses. Some of the laws - Exodus 20: "You shall have no other gods before Me" "You shall not make for yourself an idol" "You shall not murder" "You shall not commit adultery" "You shall not steal" "You shall not bear false witness" "You shall not covet" The above are some of the laws Jesus REPEATEDLY said that MUST be kept. Jesus said in Matthew 7:12 "treat people the same way you want them to treat you, for this is the Law and the prophets ." Jesus was asked in Matthew 22: "Teacher which is the great commandment in the Law?" Jesus answered from the Jewish Bible, Deuteronomy 6:4 'Hear O Israel! The L-RD is our G-d, the L-RD is One! You shall love the L-RD your G-d with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your might." This scripture is the very essence of Judaism. Jews and Bible-believing Christians believe in total allegience to G-D and NOT man, and that G-D's Laws MUST BE OBEYED.
115. To #113 The American Indians are a very special people
Linda Rivera ,   New York   (12.18.05)
North American Indians are very, very special. Great crimes were commited against the precious Indian people, for which I am very grieved. The Europeans who emigrated so long ago to America owe the Indians so much. It was the dear Indian people who taught the Europeans how to survive. North American Indian poetry is very beautiful. It is unique, like no other poetry. May the G-D who is so good; the G-D who cares, bless the North American Indians with every blessing He can possibly bestow.
116. #73, #87, you and all your like are pathetic
Joe ,   Brooklyn, NY   (12.18.05)
Here we are, arguing about whose ethnic ancestors are better than whose. Bishara is a moron because he stood up and advocated for the ethnic cleansing of his own country. It's not as if all Arabs are like that, even if #73 is (I don't even know if he's Arab). Any Israeli Jew who calls for the transfer of Arabs is just like the racist bastard Bishara. I'll bet that the people on this board who are advocating transfer are the same people who responded to Natan Eden-Zeda's massacre by saying, "What do you expect? Look at the disengagement!" You didn't even realize that you made yourselves morally equivalent to the Palestinians who say the same things in response to suicide bombings. People like you on both sides are absolutely despicable.
117. Remember Wounded Knee Steven
John ,   Bermuda   (12.18.05)
Steven your are new poster at Ynews ,My advice for you is early retirement and go ride a buffalo you chikenning Indian , Alaska is not your land go back to Wounded Knee and rethink all of your postings especialy those on the Palestinians.
118. #111
P. ,   Haifa   (12.18.05)
Ifnorance is no excuse for bearing "false witness". <1-According to the Talmud, Jesus was executed by a proper rabbinical court for idolatry > NOT! Nowhere is this written. <2-Secondly, for theological reasons, mostly rooted in ignorance, Christianity as a religion is classed by rabbinical teaching as idolatry.> The only ignorance here is yours. Again this is a NOT! <3- ... the stock epithet given to Muhammad is 'madman' ('meshugga') ...> Given that the word meshugga is neither Aramaic nor Hebrew, this again is highly unlikely. Furhtermore, since Islam came about in a post-Amoraic era, it is not discussed in the Talmud. Another false myth. NO! Four points - 4 lies. Since you are probably a Christian, I think that you need to find some form of absolution to cleans your soul.
119. LINDA : Jesus hater and a lier too
(12.18.05)
You arrogant harlot. How dare you fake the words of the Lord.
120. Truth hurts, doesn't it?
Salameh ,   Gaza, Palestine   (12.18.05)
He has spoken the truth that Yvgeneys, Poliskys, Jabotinsky's, Falshas and the rest of you know it. Strangers who are forcing their presence on us, the native owners of this land, can not deny it, and it is ironic that they won't even accept our compromise and give us the 1967 lands back for peace !! Arrogance is nothing but a sign of insecurity about their robbery of our land.
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