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ADL: Evangelicals threat to religious pluralism
Yaakov Lappin
Published: 20.12.05, 23:22
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1. IDIOT. DON'T PRAISE ISRAEL'S ENEMIES AND PUNISH FRIENDS.
(12.20.05)
2. ADL should not just be Foxman
Drumgoole ,   Newark, New Jersey   (12.21.05)
The mainstream of Jewish Ameica still believes that the left is the friend of Jews. Consequently, Jews takes positions that tend to be liberal. For example, most Jewish Americans support Choice, social programs, and to a lesser degree, affirmative action. I wonder who Jewish Americans would choose if the choice were between a candidate hostile to Israel and pro-choice vs. a pro-life candidate who is staunchly pro-Israel. Obviously, Foxman who is a product of the time when right-wing fascists were the virulent proponents of Jewish genocide has never awaken to the fact that it is the left that hates Israel and that some of Israel's staunchist supporters are Evangelical Christians and many of them support Israel for positive reasons. I'd like for Mr. Foxman to tell me which mainstream Christian denominations or liberal denominations support Israel in terms of political activism, financial support, tourism etc.
3. Foxman is 100% on point!
(12.21.05)
4. Absolutely correct!
Michael Steiner ,   EU   (12.21.05)
The only reason these evangelical Xians--who are, incidentally, some of the most bigoted and intolerant people in the world--"support us" is their hatred of Muslims. Just like the religious kooks in Israel, these individuals also want to set their country back hundreds of years. Can one fathom that quite a number of public schools in 21st century United States teach children that the world was created in six days five thousand years ago?! That a naked woman's breast is deemed "inappropriate material" and censored? That people who seek to find happiness and meaning in life with a partner of their own sex are labeled sick and are routinely abused? That they vociferously oppose a lot of scientific research methods on the grounds of morality but believe that torturing human beings worse than animals because they are POTENTIAL terrorists is perfectly in order? That the US has the right to rampage across the world because "our god is bigger than their god" (actual words of a senior USAF official)?! THAT's what evangelical Xians are, and I for one want to have NOTHING to do with them. And if the normal American people know what's good for them, neither would they. KEEP RELIGION IN ITS PLACE: your chosen place of worship.
5. FOXMAN? HAHAAHA
DACON9 ,   FOXMAN NOT!!!   (12.21.05)
FOXMAN IS A THREAT TO JUDAISM
6. DRUMGOOLE
DACON9 ,   PREACHER MAN   (12.21.05)
YOU SAY ***MOST JEWS*** MOST JEWS ARE NOT TORAH OBSERVANT TODAY OR PROPHETS OF GD AND MEAN NOTHING EXCEPT THEY WILL ANSWER TO GD WHEN THEIR TIME COMES. FOXMAN REPRESENTS NOTHING BUT A MATERIELISTIC WORLD OF NOTHING OF ANY CONSEQUENCE. DO NOT USE **MOST JEWS *** AS ANY EXAMPLE. YOUR INTELLECTUAL ARGUMENTS MEAN NOTHING BUT PHILOSOPHY WHICH IS NOTHING BUT CONVERSATION AND A POKER GAME OF WHO CAN *SOUND* MORE INFORMATIVE. THERE IS NO XTIAN THAT SUPPORTS ISRAEL FOR JEWS BY JEWS OF JEWS. THE MINORITY OF JEWS STILL RELY OF GD OF ISRAEL ABRAHAM ISAAC AND JACOB ,,,AND THIS MINORITY IS HOLDING THE WORLD IN THEIR HANDS. ''OH YEAH REMEMER THIS? *HAVE NO OTHER GDS BEFORE ME *HAVE NO GRAVEN IMAGES *YOU ARE ALL MY SONS AND CHILDREN DO NOT REJOICE AT THEIR PAIN THAT I INFLICT UPON YOUR ENEMIES O ISRAEL. *ISRAEL YOU ARE MY CHOSEN AND I WILL NEVER LEAVE YOU, WILL A MOTHER LEAVE HER CHILD? DRUMGOOLE.... LEARN THE NOAHIDE LAWS AND BE PART OF THE RIGHTOUS WHEN MASHAICH COMES YOU CAN SHARE IN THE NEXT WORLD IF YOU DO.
7. Haven't You Heard?
Daniel ,   New York   (12.21.05)
Foxman is a traitor, just like like Spielberg. And Sharon. And Rabin. And Moses. And Abraham. And God. er.....
8. re: Abe Foxman
the Hammer   (12.21.05)
The Christian evangelicals may or may not have some insidious plot motivating their support for Israel. I'll let this debate take its course for the moment. What troubles me is that people still consider Abe Foxman's opinion worth something. Let's recap just a couple of his previous crusades: During the Oslo period, Mr. Foxman tried to get the Zionist Organization of America kicked out of the Conference of American Presidents because they took a stand against the Oslo Accords, saying that they were not in Israel's best interest. The Oslo Accords were subsequently an utter failure and caused the deaths of thousands of innocent people. Dishonest Abe was dead wrong. Abe Foxman busies himself more with combating what he considers the right-wing enemy than actually fighting actual anti-Semitism and defamation like his organization was set up to do. Foxman came out in support of the terrorist Arafat, yimach shemo vezichro, and in support of the expulsion of Jews from Gaza. He went so far as to label anti-withdrawal protesters "anti-democratic" because they disagreed with a "democratically elected" leader. Clearly this is a ridiculous standpoint. We know Abe Foxman is no ally of the Jewish State, nor does he consistently fight for the Jewish people (be they religious or not). His opinions are altogether laughable, and his track record is horrendous. The one question that remains is why anyone still gives this guy a mouthpiece.
9. With friends such as the settler abandoning ADL Israel doese
Bunnie Meyer ,   Santa Monica, CA   (12.21.05)
10. With friends such as the settler abandoning ADL, Jews don't
Bunnie Meyer ,   Santa Monica, CA   (12.21.05)
need any enemies. ADL wants money, money and money, not religious Jews who believe in G-d.
11. Drumgoole is 100% correct
American Jew ,   New York City   (12.21.05)
Foxman should not speak for all American Jews. He is messing with the wrong group right now (xtians) and I don't like where he is going. He is too much of a leftist. I agree with your assessment 100%. Historically, it has been the right wing that was hostile to Jews; these days it is the left. To Dacon- Be quiet with your Syrian propaganda. Keep marrying 16 year old girls and keep on with your backwards BS.
12. To Michael Steiner
NYC Girl   (12.21.05)
As an atheist, I certainly don't want anybody's religion shoved down my throat, but it's not the Evangelicals who are calling for disinvestment from Israel, holding meetings with members of Hezbollah or sponsoring so-called peace activists who are nothing more than apologists for Palestinian terror. If the Evangelicals want to use their considerable political influence to support Israel, then fine. As far as first comings, second comings or any of that other nonsense, I think the majority of Israelis don't give a damn. They're too busy worrying about surviving in this life to worry about the next one. In regard to Abe Foxman's contention about the Evangelicals' domestic agenda, I can't disagree with him. But, as long as Israel is faced with an existential threat, for some of us their survival might have to take precedence over whether there can be a Christmas tree on public property in America.
13. When real anti-Semites threaten to murder Jews by millions..
AK   (12.21.05)
the idiot Foxman is attacking the only friends Israel has. Nice going Foxman. You may be an irrelevant irritant in the US, but the enemies of the Jews, like a fake Zionist from Prague, just love you. When have you actually done something for the Jews and Israel, Abe, I mean other than try to alienate the last 40 millions of friends Jews have in the entire world?
14. ADL
John ,   USA   (12.21.05)
Aiming to control what Pharmacists may or not dispense? Federal law would protect individuals so that we don't have to make the choice between conscience and our jobs. We would really like to keep our jobs.
15. I thought Hitler was killing Michaels Homosexual friends
Steven Wilson ,   United States Alaska   (12.21.05)
I could swear we saved all your Homosexual buddies from Hitler in World War Two. I think we saved Michaels Grandpa and Grandma from Hitlers SS Clowns also. As for Michaels obvious jealousy that his country can't, or excuse me, won't build up there military to take care of its own problems, rather than relying on my taxes to pay to protect him, is a open question. Not to worry, the United States is currently going bankrupt and won't be able to save the Europeans within the next ten years. Hope you learn how to torture your enemies, because soon, you will have to do your own dirty work. And as far as protecting yourself------Oh my God-----you better get religion------you don't have any rifles to protect yourselves-------better pray to God for a miracle. Maybe he will smite your oppressor. We sure put up with a lot of homosexuals, Jews, Arabs, Europeans, Asians, Muslims,f or being such an intolerant people. Maybe your Muslim friends who are very intolerant of any Jew or American living by their side in the Middle East need your advice. They tend to try to blow everyone up. Get used to it. They'll keep blowing up everyone in the E.U.. They know that none of you whiners will fight back. You are easy prey. Pascifists. It's almost sad, if it weren't so pathetic. Now I'm an Atheist, not religious one little bit. But European Pascifism has gone way to far. If I even think your muslim friends are a threat-----I'm gonna whip their *ss. It's as simple as that. You have fun cleaning your arabic or chinese master's home Michael. You might want to go to some classes on their culture's, and take some language classes while you are at it. Chow! Merry Christmas, Happy Hannukah, or whatever.
16. There is a war against being a Christian
Steven Wilson ,   Anchorage, Alaska   (12.21.05)
Give me a break Mr. Foxman, You can't celebrate Christmas in school. They tell you not to say Merry Christmas to the students. You have to have a Holiday Party. No Christmas Vacation anymore. It's Holiday Break. They took away Halloween for petes sakes. They just banned it this year. These were american traditions in school as I grew up. They are trying to obliterate christianity from everywhere that they possibly can. I'm an atheist and even I can see what they have done. When I worked on the side, at Wal Mart, they took away Christmas Parties and Changed it to Holiday Parties. It might offend people that are not christians. Just because a bunch of Christian Nazi's in Germany killed six million jews doesn't make it right for non-believers on the left to obliterate christianity. These Christians that are fighting tokeep their faith, and the right to be addressed properly during a Christian Holiday, have every right to complain. I never told my Jewish friends in Israel to quit saying Happy Hanukkah in their stores during their Holidays. You have every right to expect to get a Happy Hannukah or a merry Christmas when you go into a department store. Because of Hannukah, Christmas, and Kwanza, these Companies such as Wal-Mart get rich and prosper. So they are ashamed, and spit in the face of the same religious customers that make them profitable? That makes perfect sense to me. Mr. Foxman needs to become a Republican. Killing 3,750 babies a day because women in the democratic party feel their babies are to much of a burden to take care of ,is ridiculous. Hugging every tree, protesting every greenpeace initiative, getting rid of christianity, supporting women who can't figure out how to use birth control properly, is a waste of the jewish communities time. You want a Abu Graib story? It's when you hold a babies head down in a bucket of amniotic fluid so they can't scream while you suck their arms and legs off with a high pressure vacuum cleaner. Women in this country have made the holocaust look like a minor problem. They have killed that many children. They'll tell you it was their body and not Murder. Hitler spouted the same Horse Sh*t. Did you ever give the baby a say in the decision? The left hates Israel ,other than the Jews still in the party. Get a clue Mr. Foxman. I'm not religious and even I can see the left is a hate your country, get rid of the christian, kill your baby, undermine your country during war, help the poor palestinian, group of jerks. Or maybe they just want to be in power again. I'm really starting to worry that if the left keeps going with their agenda, whether we will be a free country in the near future. You have very little to fear from the Christians. I'd be more concerned that the Democratic party will sell you out!
17. shut up already
Kyle ,   Southpark, CO, USA   (12.21.05)
Dishonest Abe is doing more to stir up Christian hate for Jews than Torquemada's wildest imagination.
18. An Empty Suit Filled With Himself
Dan ,   NYC   (12.21.05)
Abe would sooner talk to Farakhan than Falwell. The man is a living, breathing Maginot line, "protecting" us from our friends while letting our enemies in the back door. For Foxman, the knock on the door will always be room service.
19. U.S. LEADERS PREFER ISLAM FOR AMERICA'S SCHOOL CHILDREN
Linda Rivera ,   New York   (12.21.05)
Separation of church and state? Not if it's the politically correct religion of Islam! Drastic changes are taking place in America. U.S. schools, hostile to Christianity and Judaism, are aggressively promoting Islam. Part of article from: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=36118 JUDICIAL JIHAD Judge rules Islamic education OK in California classrooms Dismisses suit opposing requirement students recite Quran, pray to Allah December 13, 2003 © 2003 WorldNetDaily.com Requiring seventh-grade students to pretend they're Muslims, wear Islamic garb, memorize verses from the Quran, pray to Allah and even to play "jihad games" in California public schools has been legally upheld by a federal judge, who has dismissed a highly publicized lawsuit brought by several Christian students and their parents...the suit was filed by the Thomas More Law Center against the Byron Union School District and various school officials to stop the use of the "Islam simulation" materials and methods used in the Excelsior Elementary School in Byron, Calif. The World History and Geography class in question is part of a curriculum being taught to seventh-graders all over the state, and is included in the state's curriculum standards required by the state board of education. Although the standards outline what subjects should be taught and will be included in state assessment tests, they don't mandate how they're to be taught. In the three-week course, Excelsior teacher Brooke Carlin had students assume Islamic names, recite prayers in class, memorize and recite verses from the Quran, and had them simulate Ramadan fasting by going without something for a day. The final test required students to critique Muslim culture. The Islam simulations at Excelsior are outlined in the state-adopted textbook "Across the Centuries," published by Houghton Mifflin, which prompts students to imagine they are Islamic soldiers and Muslims on a Mecca pilgrimage. The lawsuit also alleges students were encouraged to use such phrases in their speech as "Allah Akbar," which is Arabic for "God is great," and were required to fast during lunch period to simulate fasting during the Islamic holy month of Ramadan. "While public schools prohibit Christian students from reading the Bible, praying, displaying the Ten Commandments, and even mentioning the word 'God,' students in California are being indoctrinated into the religion of Islam," The Islamic indoctrination of America's school children is a major victory in the war for global Islamic conquest.
20. The dividing line
Christian ,   Sweden   (12.21.05)
here goes not between Jews and Christians but between religious and secular, left and right. As a conservative Christian I would in a political election rather vote for a religious Jew than a secular Christian. It is a question of values!
21. DOES ADL PREFER ANTI-SEMITES ???
Yair ,   Raanana, Israel   (12.21.05)
abe foxman the super moron !
22. #4
John ,   USA   (12.21.05)
Michael, since you are from EU and not religious you don't understand America and Evangelical Christians, which is similiar to how I would lack understanding about non-religious people there.
23. Paranoid
Will ,   Jerusalem   (12.21.05)
Foxman thinks that his own shadow is anti-Semitic.
24. U.S. Evangelicals are a threat to world peace!
Abdullah ,   Kuwait City   (12.21.05)
Many people can recognize the strong Jewish - Evangelicals relationship but what many do not understand is the fact that Evangelicals are aiming for something far more extreme! To Evangelicals they must let Jews rule over the historic Palestine (Israel) and to build their temple and replace the Al Aqsa mosque! They support this idea both because they love Jews but they are following their own prophecy which at the end will destroy all Jews who refuse to join Christianity! The U.S. Evangelicals are the world's next Taliban terror group with very wacky ideologies, the might of a Superpower! May God save us all from their evil!
25. A Fine Romance
Dorothy Friend ,   Tel Aviv   (12.21.05)
The romance between some Jews and the Evangelicals reminds me of the old Yiddish joke about the fellow who marries that sexy young shiksa (a rather nasty word, but that's another story), and wakes up after the wedding night to discover she's just another old goya.
26. #s 12, 15, 22, 24 and 25
Michael Steiner ,   EU   (12.21.05)
12: Hey Girl :-) OK, first of all, as I said, I for one would very much prefer not to have the support of people whose values and almost everything they stand for are diametrically opposite to mine and those of many other Jews. But that's a different story. The point here is that fundamentalist fanatical Xians in the US are involved in many odious activities, which propagate intolerance, bigotry, dogma and breach people's civil liberties. Other than supposedly supporting Israel, what else on the evangelicals' agenda is the same as or even compatible with what an average US Jew stands for or what his or her values are? Mr. Foxman is totally right: we Jews--and particularly American Jews--MUST NOT shut our eyes to the danger represented to the US and the world by religious fanatics just because they happen to putatively support Israel. #15: Gee, pal, what a deep and profound analysis. What probity and foresight. What wisdom. I bet you're an esteemed member of the academia. Not. #22: Just because I'm in the EU at the moment does not make me unqualified to comment on US affairs. And BTW, just because anything from 20% to 50% of Americans cannot find Europe on the map doesn't mean the EUropeans are as ignorant. 24: I agree: "The U.S. Evangelicals are the world's next Taliban." 25: Since I'm probably going to marry a shiksa, I hope it doesn't happen to me, too!
27. #26 -that was for all the right wing Jews out there
Dorothy Friend ,   Tel Aviv   (12.21.05)
You know, the ones that think that the Evangelicals will stop at the pink triangles and not go on to the yellow stars. And add my vote to the next Taliban idea, except they started before the Taliban did. Any clinic that performs abortions in the United States had needed armed guards for years. You seem like a nice chap, and I wish you well.
28. #24,#26 To the ENEMIES of the JEWS and ISRAEL
Linda Rivera ,   New York   (12.21.05)
Bible believing Christians believe completely in the Jewish Hebrew Bible and in the G-D of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob AND G-D's future judgments against Israel's enemies. Bible, Joel 3:2 "I will gather all the nations and bring them down to the valley of Jehoshapat. Then I will enter into judgment with them there on behalf of My people and My inheritance, Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations; and they have divided up My land."
29. LINDA YOU XTIANS ALWAYS LEAVE OUT THE MEAT
DACON9 ,   DECEITFUL XTIANS   (12.21.05)
Joel 4: 19-20 f Egypt will be a desolation and edom (eauv) will become a wilderness because of the robbery against the children of Judah, For they (Esauv)Edomn shed innocent blood in their land. The goyim will be punished for what they did to Israel. Judah will exist forever from generation to generation.
30. XTIANS LEAVE OUT THE REST OF THE TRUTH
DACON9 ,   DECEIVING JEWS   (12.21.05)
It will be in the end of days that the mountain of the temple of “”GD”” will be firmly established as the most prominent of the mountains and it will be exalted above all the hills , and the peoples will stream to it .Many nations will say, ‘’come let us go to the mountain of “GD” and to the temple of “GD” of Jacob(Israel) and “HE” will teach us “HIS” ways. And we will walk in “HIS’ paths, from zion shall go forth the torah and the word of ‘HASHEM’ , FROM JERUSALEM. (THE TORAH IS SUPREME AND IN THE END ALL WILL HAVE TO OBEY AS TAUGHT BY THE RABBI SOF ZION).
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