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Bilin: Illegal outpost may become school
Ali Waked
Published: 26.12.05, 15:31
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1. EVACUATE ALL ILLEGAL OUTPOSTS NOW!!!
Michael Steiner ,   EU   (12.26.05)
Start with any of the hundreds errected by so-called Jews.
2. #1 - Your broad attack with slogans misses the point.
Russell ,   Miami   (12.26.05)
See - here's where we disagree again. You don't define illegal. You insult some category of nameless Jews by calling them so-called Jews and doubting their Jewishness. Jewish building of settlements on the land that everyone knows will be part of Israel in a final settlement is an important creator of facts on the ground whether you like the means or not. Outlying Jewish settlements built without authorization should be uprooted now to avoid later divisions and the need to uproot them once they have become more established communities. Palestinian growth in areas that will obviously be part of Israel in a final settlement is rightly being curtailed. Overarching vague slogans such as the one you have written just gives comfort to the enemy and hurts real peace in its keeping Israel from doing what it needs to do to ensure that the land that will eventually form the state of Israel is secure. Reinforcing areas in the West Bank would be authorized by Israel and not be illegal if the rest of the world weren't so busy trying to be even handed that Israel could do what it needed to do in the open. Everyone knows what the eventual peace will look like and Israel is not doing it on its own unilaterally so that it can save both sides from bloodshed as the Palestinians cling to the hope that they will eventually overtake Israel, bring their teeming refugees that have multiplied in refugee camps where other Arabs have cynically let them fester as a problem rather than absorbing them a Jew have done with refugees from Arab lands and rule over Jerusalem. The start of this was the disengagement from Gaza. It will continue until the borders are drawn and then Israel will respond with unbelievable force to provocations just as France or Germany or the US would if terrorists were firing at Paris, Berlin or Washington. Settlement and disengagement are flip sides of the same coin. Some just don't realize it.
3. JUSTICE FOR JEWISH REFUGEES NOW! Massive street protests!
Linda Rivera ,   New York   (12.26.05)
Racist, supremacist and expansionist, Muslims deny human rights for Jews & other non-Muslims. Muslims deny Jews the right to live on the Jewish land of Gaza, Judea, Samaria, the Golan, even JEWISH Jerusalem! Around 1948, Arabs violently ETHNICALLY CLEANSED one million Jews from Arab countries. Arab governments seized the land, homes, bank accounts, businesses and assets of the Jews. Most of the Jewish refugees fled to Israel. THERE MUST NOW BE A JUST SETTLEMENT FOR THE JEWISH REFUGEES AND THEIR DESCENDANTS-COMPENSATION IN LAND AND FINANCES. Jews, start demanding YOUR rights now!!!
4. Linda, get your facts right
Karim ,   Morocco   (12.26.05)
If that was the case then why no one claimed anything for the last 50 years? I tell you why...because most of Arab-Jews left largely by their own free will, and few because of brainwash (promised land). After the creation of Israel on top of Palestinian rights, there was some backclash in Arab countries against their Jewish residents.....notice though, there were no "Jewish camps" the way America rounded up Japenese-Americans after the war broke up against Japan. The backclash was unfortunate but most governments tried to protect its jewish-residents. There was no SUPREME COURT that upheld the rounding of Jewish residents as it happend in good ole America. There is no much to demand (if there is, well bring it on..justice must be served), I know that the biggest Sephardi community is Moroccan, and that Morocco never revoked their citizenship or their right to go back if they wished too. What I know is that your world zionist organization paid 50 dollars to the Moroccan government for every jew it could get out of Morocco. Disgusting eh? they were buying people off like merchandise. But I guess it was all of the good cause of Zion! No such thing as a refugee when they can go back to where they came from. Israel bans native Palestinians from going back to their homes.
5. ALL LAND & PROPERTIES STOLEN IN 1948 ISLAMIC INVASION...
Linda Rivera ,   New York   (12.26.05)
MUST BE RETURED! MASSIVE STREET PROTESTS! In 1948, Egypt invaded Gaza & ethnically cleansed ALL Jews. In 1948, Jordan invaded Judea-Samaria & east Jerusalem & ETHNICALLY CLEANSED ALL JEWS. Jordan, opposing G-D DESTROYED 58 synagogues in Jerusalem. ALL of the Jewish land, homes, properties & businesses stolen from Jews in the 1948 Islamic invasion MUST BE RETURNED! Jordan must pay for the 58 destroyed synagogues & desecration & damage to Jewish cemetery on Mount of Olives. JEWS DEMAND YOUR STOLEN LAND & PROPERTIES BACK! PA must pay for desecration and DESTRUCTION on Temple Mount. Jews DEMAND RETURN OF TEMPLE MOUNT! Massive street demonstrations!
6. WILL LEFTISTS DEMAND DESTRUCTION OF JEWISH SETTLEMENTS IN...
Linda Rivera ,   New York   (12.26.05)
New York, Paris, London, Sydney, Australia, etc. Sharon, Beilin, Peretz, Peres, Netanyahu, et al, believe that if Muslims object to Jews living some place, the homes of the Jews must be DESTROYED and their businesses, farms and greenhouses given to the Muslims who attack and murder these same Jews. As an extra punishment for being a Jew, and not Muslim, Gaza's Jews are forced to pay for the mortgages on their destroyed homes. THIS PLEASES ISLAM. Are Sharon, Beilin, Peretz, Peres, Netanyahu, et al, SECRET CONVERTS TO ISLAM?
7. #4 JEWS ESCAPED from PERSECUTION, POGROMS & MURDERS
Linda Rivera ,   New York   (12.26.05)
And you say the Jewish refugees, one million Jews plus their descendants, can go back to Middle Eastern countries! You want a second holocaust of Jews! Virulent Jew-hate is preached throughout the Muslim Middle East. The Jew-hate in Egypt's government-controlled media is as bad as the Jew-hate was in Germany's media during the holocaust.
8. Facts On The Ground?
Adina kutnicki ,   NJ   (12.26.05)
What are these lefties screaching about? Arabs have been laying down facts on the ground all over Israel with nary a legal right or claim in this universe. How dare they compare that to Jews who are laying down facts on the ground in their own homeland? If these delusional and unrepentant leftists think the Arabs are correct, they should promptly give up their Israeli citizenship and move under PA control. We shall all see (and then gloat) how well they fare under the "non aparthied" PA system.
9. thanks, kareem, for getting spam queen started
mike ,   usa   (12.26.05)
just ignore her.
10. true Hanukka miracle
Beate ,   Holon, Israel   (12.27.05)
While half the world forgot what they are celebrating these days, the Bil'in lighning of the candle brings back what is the origin of all religious holidays: struggle against oppression - stories of courage and redemption. These 22 Israelis and Palestinians in their non-violent outpost protesting the oppression and dispossession of our days - they are the true heralds of hope.
11. And the reason nothing was built in that space before is...?
AK   (12.27.05)
The great pomp and ceremony in "building " a school "liberated land," which happens to be the land that the Jews improved ,still does not explain, why no school was built there before, let say between 1948 and 1967. I bet, the land was owned by the Jews before 1948.
12. Beate, should I tell you your religion?
AK   (12.27.05)
Hanukkah celebrates victory of Judaism over the encroachment of Hellenism and over foreign oppression, especially religious oppression over Jews. So if we're to bring the holiday to the current setting, the "Palestinian" Muslims would be cast as the Syrian enemy, and the "peaceniks,” their “Hellenizing” Jewish collaborators. Thus the holiday would celebrate victory of religious Jews over the "peaceniks” and Arabs, with cleansing the Temple Mount of any Islamic desecration, as its high point. The holiday definitely DOES NOT celebrate the "liberation of Syrians," but of Jews, as Jews. So, your interpretation is exactly the opposite of what that holiday actually is all about. As a Jew, you ought to be ashamed not to know the basics of your own tradition and religion.
13. AK,you speak as a believer, so we are not on the same ground
Beate ,   Holon   (01.03.06)
The comparison of Palestinans with those mythical Maccabees of the Jewish religion is for you probably blasphemy. But you should realize that to a whole lot of people it makes sense to see the occupation as Antiochus, and the Palestinians as the ones who with scarce means and hoping for miracles fight against the bad foreign power oppressing them, just as the Maccabees in that old story. Even the fanatism and the intolerance towards fellow Palestinians who lean towards the western world - it's all there.
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