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IDF bombards northern Gaza
Hanan Greenberg
Published: 29.12.05, 06:22
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31. ONE QUESTION TO MR. 30
(12.29.05)
Why the Jews didn't defend their land against the Crusades and then against the Moslems like the Palistinians do now or like any honored people do ... and how you call such people whe escape and leave their land to others without resistance and waiting hundreds of years till some one else give it back to them ? ... i call them cowerds and they don't deserve this land .... and you how you call such people ..... but honestly ???
32. Very easy #31
CZ ,   NYC   (12.29.05)
That is because we Jews are a peaceful nation and not savages as some others in the region. A coward such as your despotic leaders in the region is one who gasses their own people, among other glorious crimes. Israel is no coward, she fights for her life on a daily basis. A true coward would have bombed you to 72 virgins a long time ago.
33. Re #18
Norman ,   USA   (12.29.05)
Maybe you haven't read the Palestinian and Hamas Covenants where they state their intentions on eliminating Israel. I assume your Gazan friend is Palestinian who neglected to mention to you about the scores of missiles that were being fired inside Israel which led to this attack. Israel has been very patient waiting so long before doing this operation. It should have been done a while ago. I don't know whether you actually read the above article and the one at: http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3191418,00.html but they specifically state how Israel used leaflets before the attack, warning the residents to evacuate. This is the mark of a civilized country. Some countries wouldn't even do that. Resolutions are only as good if the enemy complies to them also.
34. 31 - get your facts straight
mike ,   usa   (12.29.05)
the roman empire controlled the land when islamic colonialism took it. the crusades happened in an attampt to remove the islamic occupiers. jews did not control the land since before the time of jesus, having been occupied in the time since until 1948.
35. mike
(12.29.05)
No matter since how long they didn't controll the land but the facts says that they were allways cowerds and they lived allways under occupation without fighting for their rights ... and the people who don't fight for their land they don't deserve it .... and Arabs (Moslems and Christians) took over Jerusalem from the Crusades after they didn't respect the deal they made with the Arabs to respect the Moslems the same like with Christians and the Jews but the Crusade started killing the Moslems ... here came the leader Salah El Din with his army and took over Jerusalem and after all the people in Jerusalem from all the relegoins lived together in peace ...... see the film (Kingdom of Heaven) will give you an idea about what i said
36. to 32
(12.29.05)
Peaceful nation ????? are you jocking ..... all of this dirty massacers you did since 1948 till now and you still say peaceful nation .... come on guy ... your modern history in the area is more black than the black it self ... peaceful people don't make neuclear bombs behind the back of the world ... (thanks Mr. Vanunu) ...
37. re to 32
(12.29.05)
Israel is fighting now and not cowerds .. !!!! after what ... Without America and Engelnd you would still everywhere in the world living and there would be nothing called Israel till now and if you mami America didn't full your weapons arsenal with the most modern weapons free of charge and backing you blind ... you would not be there now ... even in the Yom Kibur's war ... Golda Meir phoned Mr. Henry Kisinger late at night screamein .... help help the Egyptians are comeing ... in 24hours there was an American space bridg with soldiars and weapons arrived to Israel and started fighting beside you .... here Mr. Sadat (God bless him) said ... stop the war ... i can not fight against Ameica ... (Henry Kisenger's dairy) .... easy
38. 35
mike ,   usa   (12.29.05)
one thing you can be sure of with hollywood movies is that they do not represent the facts of history. i wouldn't learn my history for the entertainment industry if i were you. as for calling jews cowards i think you are despicable to call someone a coward while saying nothing about the true cowardly islamic terrorists who target children, women, and old people instead of fighting like real men. fighting like that is the definition of being a shameful coward. anyway, the jews stood up and fought for their land and were soundly defeated in 71 AD. they were vastly outnumbered and fought to the death, something the cowardly palestinians would never do.
39. To: 37
America,   (12.29.05)
Yes and we are so proud of our heritage of being a Nation under GOD. It is by GOD'S hand we do support Israel and will always fight against false manmade religions who promote the murder of innocents.
40. #9
Hilda ,   USA   (12.29.05)
Is this really the Michael Steiner we've gotten to know? Sounds like he has changed sides. Did Israel realize what a good propagandaist you are and upped the ante or have you had a change of heart?
41. 38
John ,   NYC   (12.29.05)
cowardly palestinians are fighting you, your mama and the world's 4th biggest army and forcing it to flee with its tail between its legs, get your facts straight coward
42. mike again
(12.29.05)
you said it not me ... who target the children is cowerd ... what about the shooting the school of Bahr el bakar .... what about the children were in Sabra and Shatila .... what about the children were kana ... what about Mohamed el Dora and and .... still only the Palistinians the only cowerds in your eyes ? ... honestly
43. to 39
(12.29.05)
just one question .... did God forgot you the last 2000 years and rememberd you only 50 years ago ? ... it's hurting me too much to ask such stupid question but you are forcing by your way of thinking to say it ... all people are people of God even those who don't belive in God .. as long as you think by this way you will never have peace ... you never had it and will never have it ... only one way or you axept that Jews are normal people like anyothers on the earth and they have nothing more than the others or forget to have peace .
44. mike
(12.29.05)
in this case i should not take the new film of Spielberg MUENICH as it's facts and true ??' ....gg.... or you make it a la carte like the French says ....
45. 42, 43 & 44 - do your homework
(12.29.05)
42 did jews commit the murders of sabra and shatilla????? and yes, i mean that the modus operandi of the palestinians is cowardly because they target children, women, and old people. i like the way you bring up the scarce, unusual examples over the years to counter the thousands of examples the palestinians commit i'm referring to. like i said, the palestinians are COWARDS for intentionally TARGETTING the weak. and about mohammed aldoura - he was not killed by the israelis and the french journalists are covering it up. 43 you're right, it is a stupid question because i have no idea what you are saying. all people are people of god but israel has to deal with a people who want to fight and wipe her off the map. i guess you have nothing to say about those people of god who celebrate at the death of other people of god? 44 about munich - spielberg himself calls the movie "historical fiction" (you know what "fiction" is, don't you?). did you not know the screenplay for munich was based on a book by someone who had no connection to, or intelligence about, the operation? a little bit of advice: don't believe everything you see in movies.
46. #24 Palestinian Hollywood Director
Gil ,   Tel Aviv   (12.30.05)
Your movie that you make in your dream where Israel turns into a cut balloon is nice for you but will only ever happen in your head and nowhere else. Don't forget how 50,000 ex-Holocaust survivors won the war in 1948 against 500,000 Arabs from 5 different countries and that was WITHOUT America. We don't need America my friend, Israel is already generating around USD$40B in hi-tech industry alone which is 40% of its GDP. Think about that as you sit in England drinking tea . The only cut balloon is the sound of your mother in the morning.
47. to 45
(12.30.05)
the Lebanes troops who did the massacre of Sabra and Shatila were under the command of your PM Sharon that time and the Israelian court expeld Sharon from the service in the army because of this massacre ... read about before you make your bla bla .... ok about Muenich ... but the Kingdom of Heaven is a historical film too ... take all or leave all ... and i don't have to believe everything i see in the movies .... ok ... you to believe what suits you only or what ? .... gg ... and if you have no idea about what i am talking about like you said ... so ... just leave it .... but put in your mind ... since the massacre of Dair Yassin passing by Sabra and shatila till now the history and courts will never forget ... the time will show us or will show our children that justice will never be forgotten ... like you do to the Nazi officers till now you will have the same .
48. 46
(12.30.05)
i was just going to answer you till i noticed that you are not polite at all to mention my mother in a political discussion .... be polit and if you can not ... then go back to school ... or ask your father to teach how to be polite .... if you know who is your father
49. 47 - a one-time event does not proe anything
mike ,   usa   (12.30.05)
ok, suppose sharon was guilty of sabra and shatilla. he alone acted in that way. that proves nothing. the israeli army does not lower itself to the actions of the islamic cowards. so, i still stand by what i said because it is true. israel does NOT intentionally target the weak. you can bring rare past examples of mistakes but the fact remains what it is - israel doesn't and palestinians DO. i think that if we went to court to prove our positions you would be laughed out of the courtroom with your evidence. i think it is simplistic for you to say you will forever remember "Dair Yassin" as if it is more horrible than anything else that has happened in this conflict. you say nothing about the jews and jewish children that have been massacred in the same fashion, yet you honor and defend one over the other. it makes me wonder why you defend the terrorist cowards as if they can be justified in targetting jewish children for death. maybe you think my children deserve to die because they don't hate jews, no? didn't YOU say "all people are people of God"? you don't even listen to your own words which makes me think you only use the truth when you want, you know, believing only what suits you.
50. mike
(12.30.05)
listen ... it's an endless story if we keep on accusing eachother who is wrong and who not ... it's like the story of what's first the egg or the chicken ... and we can stay writing here years on one report attacking eachother ... the final solution is known and all the world leaders they know it and it will happen soon or later even the wise voices in Israel became more than before ... the last polls proved it ... even Sharon and his new party say it ... looking behind us will not bring anything ... shouting and screaming will delay but will not stop it ... so i hope it comes as soon as possible to avoid more victims from all the sides .... by the way ... no children in whole world deserve to die for any reason ... it was shame from you to accuse me with somthing like this .... smile .... God bless everybody
51. 50 i agree but..
mike ,   usa   (12.30.05)
i think the way you excuse the suicide bombers is disgusting. you use the microscope when you look at israel's faults but ignore killers who dance in the street when a non-muslim is murdered. there is NO excuse for their behavior and i am against anyone who tries to make comparisons to the two sides.
52. ok mike .... but
(12.31.05)
seams you insist to go on ... ok ... let's do it .... first i didn't give any suicide bomber any excuses ... or you didn't read well or you didn't understand what i mean .... but you give the IDF all the excuses to target what ever they want even they killed inocent children too and you call the massacers which thousends of inocent people have been killed in it .... simple faults ... and again you say i use the microscope at israel's faults ... this the story of the egg and the chicken ... you will say the Palistinians ... i will tell you no the Israelians ... what you think now ... still you want to go on ... and we see how long we will stay here or you prefare to jump and we speake more wiser ?? .. i am at your service .... you say you are against any comparison between the tow sides .... is this is the democracy you learn in USA ... one side voice ... why we are dicussing here together if you hear only one voice ... ok .... i delay the discussion till both your ears able to here all the voices ... then we can go on
53. 52 - you did it again
mike ,   usa   (12.31.05)
you again defend palestinians terrorism as if it has justification. if it is the "egg and chicken" then you are saying they have the right to commit slaughter of innocents. ok why no acceptance of partition in 1948? why no cessation of terror in the 1990's when israel is giving back land? why rejection of gaza & west bank at camp david? why? because the palestinians are not fighting for their own country - they are fighting to kill jews. therefore it is the "chicken and the bomb" instead.
54. 53 - you did it and you still do it
(12.31.05)
first of all ... is your ears ready now to axept to hear copmarison btween the tow sides or not ? ... then i can deside to go on ot not ... gg... ok ... still i don't understand why you insist to say that i am defending Palistinian terrorists ... wher you red that i am definding any terrorist ??? and the story of the egg and the chicken back again .... is those millitiants are terrorists or resistances .... in this site one week ago there was a report ... one of the Palistinas ersistance have shot killed by Israeli war plane .... ok ... what's now are they terrorists or resistance ????? ... you are accusing me of defending the Palistinian terrorists ... i am accusing you with defending the brutal IDF army which caused alot of massacers in the Arab world .. 1-1 ... again the the egg or the chicken ... you want to go on ??? who said the Palistinians wants to just to kill any Jews ... are Jews only you find them in Israel .... what's easyer for them to attack the Jews in Israel or in the other countries ... would be much easyer for them to attack the Jews allover the world ... but their war is not against the Jews but against the Israelians in Israel .... how many Palistinai children have been killed by the IDF ... i never heared you defending those children ... if you agree that all children around the world don't deserve to die .... or because they are Palistinian children so their blood has no prise .... you see mr. mike ... again ... the egg or the chicken ... if you like the game ... ok ... write back .. and i promiss you i will answer again and if you insist the chicken i will insist no the egg ... if you want to change the way that we walk in the wise way together without any accsation from any kind ... in this case you are welcome .. and no more egg and chicken .... anyhow ... the flubird is dangerous now ... gg... shalom
55. 54 - your comparison is wrong
mike ,   usa   (12.31.05)
i can do this all day long. a) 1948 - reject partition b) 1990's - reject olso c) 2000 - reject camp david offer d) palestian media - "jews are apes and pigs", "million martyrs marching to jerusalem", cartoons about child shaheeds, etc e) no talk about nation building at all, only blame e) no negotiations over gaza disengagement (israel had to do it alone) f) israel got out of gaza, terror never stopped g) abbas says the kassams are israel's problem, not his h) muslim world still refusing to recognize israel, still and i could go on. bottom line - they are not the same. no "chicken and egg".
56. 55, no your coparison is wrong .... gg
(12.31.05)
a) not logic to make partition with invaders b) wrong ... Oslo sigend by mr. Rabin and Mr. Arafat (God bless them) and the reuslt the Jews killed him because they didn't want peace and the killer still in prison (by the way he is Jewish terrorist ), you see they have terrorists too ... c)2000 , the deal was missing the most important point ... east Jerusalem ... without it .. no peace ... 48% from the Israelis are ready to give it back to have peace (Yenet reported) . d) most of the Jews here in this site they call for killing all the Palistinians whenever the Palistians don't occupy them .... gg e) no nation can built under occupation and check points e2) gg ... Sharon desided by him self to make one side pullout without negotiation , it was his idea d) and the all the millitiants axept it the ceasfire with Israel but the IDF kept on targeting their men .... eye for eye my dear ... this is written in their tow holly books the Torah and the Koran f) in e2 the answer for this one too , the IDF didn't respect the ceasfire ... g)sure it's not his problem ... the IDF didn't stop targeting them and didn't respect the ceasfire , they didn't give Mr. Abbas the excuse to stop those millitiants . h) the top Arab sumit tow years ago desided to normalise all the relationship with Israel if Israel axept the UN resuluotion 242 ... Israel refused .... i can go more with or without chicken and egg ... but as gentleman ... i give you the choice to go on ....gg ... shalom ... you see how nice i am ... gg
57. 56 - and you say you don't defend the terrorists. right.
mike ,   usa   (01.01.06)
so you admit the muslims do not want peace: a) 1948 - rejected peace b) rejected oslo (it is between 2 nations, not 2 persons) c) 2000 - rejected compromise and chose war d) so why did the palestinians agree to the interim terms of nation building under oslo? again, they chose war e) sharon GAVE gaza back. it is LAND the palestinians WANTED. he offered to negotiate but was turned down because the palestinians favor war. f) did ONE day go by where the palestinians ceased their fire? (the answer is NO because they favor war) g) if abbas is not responsible for the aggression why complain when israel works to protect herself? h) why does the PLO charter still reject israel's right to exist and have as the goal to eliminate israel? because they want war above all. actually my list went all the way to the letter Z but ynet cut the rest off. why you give justification to suicide murders is something i'll never understand. i do not question or doubt that the palestinians have a right to some of the land but the fact that they engage in international terrorism and have no intention of stopping proves that they do not deserve it now. just look at gaza and the absolute anarchy there. abbas is a joke, hamas etc wants nothing more than to continue fighting, and they are an embarrassment as they always have been. if you support that, enjoy!
58. oh i forgot
(01.01.06)
HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYBODY , PEACE ON YOU ALL
59. 56 and again you defend the occupyers
(01.01.06)
a)mo peace with occupation b)not true the most were happy for making peace . and that's why we were all very sad for the killing mr. Rabin (God bless him) c) no compremis in the most important points (east Jerusalem) d) the Palistians will build their nation when they have their freedom and their official borders . Israel don't let to build even an air port ... how they can build their nation when they are under occupation ... and one like sharon saying his NO's all the time and the check points everywhere and the Palistinians suffering day and night . can you ? e)are you joking . SHARON OFFERD ! can you imaging someone offering you a room from your stolen hous and he is the thief . and he didn't give it back for the eyes of the Palistinians but to calm the world a little bit against Israel .. the presure is getting stronger over Israel . most of the world can acsept any more this situation . and still they will give BACK . alot . from what they stolen f)you are faking the truth ... yes they stoped attacking Israel after they all sigened this agreament in Egypt .. but Israel didn't stop targeting the leaders of the Milittiants ... g)Abbas is not responsible for the agression of the IDF which they didn't give him a chance or an excuse to stop the Milittiants by targeting the leaders of the Milittiants all the time and not to respect the ceasfire h)like there is alot of vices in Israel calling for killing all the Palistians or expeling all the Arabs you will find in other side people calling for this tow . but the leaders of the Palistians are ready to acsept and to make fair peace with Israel and allmost all the Arab countries are ready too . and they announced it many times . Israel playing the dirty games . they want to make normalisation withe Arab world before ending their occupation to the Palistinas . and again .. no peace with occupation and check points i don't understand why you insist to accuse me with justifacation to suicid bombers . i never support any killers but even not Palistians not Israelian . and you didn't answer me too . why i didn't see you once regreting the killing of inocent Palistians people and specialy children . you one side supporters and that's why i am clearing you the opinion of the other side . i asked you many times to stop blaming eachother its endless story (the egg first or the chicken) but you insist . ok , it's your chioce i am more flixble i would agree to leave the past and to look to the future without saying who was right and who was wrong you want firse to make your side that they are inocents and angels and the others are monsters and killers and this way . bring only , NULL in the end , no body borned as terrorist but the question is what made this one so wild if we don't study the reasons so we are not good doctors , when a someone phsychological not right killed someone else , by law they don't call him killer or terrorist but sick and they put him in hospital not in prison , so you can imagin if you see your families .. your children .. and you living under such situation and sucj conditions all of this years you don't become wild with the time , it does not hurt you to see your children living like this . you and me are far from them but i can feel the pain they have and even the pain of the Israelians ... but to avoid such pain we have to be all wise not only one side and to move fast for peace not one step eayh 20 years ... faster they are more lifes will be saved ... and you will see soon ... Hamas ... those (terrorists) like you call them will be soon the official government of the Palistians and like this happend with the PLO and mr. Arafat will be the same with Hamas .. HAPPY NEW YEAR
60. sorry 59 was ist for 57 not 56 because 56 is me , lol
(01.01.06)
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