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'Many Ashkenazi Jews descended from 4 women'
Associated Press
Published: 13.01.06, 09:52
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1. That's kind of redneck
Chris ,   Toronto   (01.13.06)
I wonder if there's a Jeff Foxsworthy in the making over there. "You know you're an Ashkenazi if you're family tree doesn't fork"
2. good analysis
hanina ,   usa   (01.13.06)
Excellent. Now we know why all women need pizza, country music and need to marry our first cousins. Is that why the kids are crosseyed ynet?
3. so what r u saying here....
(01.13.06)
vice is nice but incest is best? or are y'all trying to say that even though most of ya are blond and have blue eyes you are the true Jews cause you can trace yourselves back to four women -- next y'all will be claiming exclusive descent from the four mothers! in other words this sounds like a whole lot of horse manure!
4. No Wonder
emanon ,   USA   (01.13.06)
we're such a huggy kissy group when we get together for a Mitzvah of some type. We're all family! And to all the Jef Foxworthy followers, while we may have a limited supply of Aunts, rememebr, these genes are only passed top the daughters. The gene pool is deep enough the our necks are not red.
5. #3
Shai   (01.13.06)
First, it says that 8 million out of 13 million Jews are ashkenazi, which means 5 million are not. And that doesn't even matter - jews are jews. It doesn't matter where they come from, they are still jewish. Second, my parents are both from morocco (I'm jewish) and my mom has blonde hair and blue eyes. Hair and eye color have nothing to do with where you're from - looks like your head is the one that's full of horse manure.
6. Shai nobody is talking about hair or eyes
Gabrielle Goldwater ,   Geneva Switzerland   (01.14.06)
The descendants of Jews who left Spain or Portugal after the 1492 expulsion are referred to as Sephardim. The word "Sephardim" comes from the Hebrew term for Spain, Sepharad, used in the Bible. Sephardic and Ashkenazi Jews share the same tenets of Judaism, follow the Babylonian Talmud and the Shulkhan Arukh. Differences arise in customs and in liturgy. For example, on Passover, Sephardic Jews eat kitnyot, rice and corn products. Also, at many Sephardic sedars, the father will reenact the experience of gaining freedom by circling the sedar table and holding a symbolic bag over his shoulder. Other differences exist in the way Sephardic Jews wind their tefillin straps outwards, whereas Ashkenazi Jews wind the tefillin inwards. Sephardic grooms are honored with an aliyah to the Torah on the Shabbat after their wedding, whereas Ashkenazi grooms are called up to the Torah the Shabbat before the wedding. Sephardic Torah scrolls are usually stored in a large wooden cylinder, which stands erect when opened. The parchment is in an upright position when read, whereas, Ashkenazi scrolls just have an embroidered cover and the scrolls are read while lying flat on a table. ASHKENAZI: A member of the branch of European Jews, historically Yiddish-speaking, who settled in central and northern Europe. [Medieval Hebrew ’aškənāzî, from ’aškənaz, Germany, adoption of Hebrew ’aškənaz, name of one of Noah's grandsons and of a neighboring people, perhaps alteration of earlier *’aškûz, Scythians; akin to Akkadian ašguzai, iškuzai, from Old Persian Saka-, Skūča-.] ASHKENAZI: see also http://www.somethingjewish.co.uk/judaism_guide/ashkenazi_jews/
7. horse
sami ,   jopdan   (01.14.06)
i like to have a friend like that arabian one told to his horse the only friend to him [if you know the speech you can tell you can complain and blame the horse has a soul but computer has not but he or it complains and blame s who is right shai or no3
8. Loser
richard Hitchings ,   Methil Fife Scotland   (01.14.06)
Would anyone think I was a loser if I said I wanted to bone the nearest Jewess and make a half Ashkenazi kid?
9. an answer for r hitchings
James McNamara ,   melbourne australia   (01.14.06)
ask your mommy who boned her, that she got a halfwit like you.
10. For Real?
chaya ,   US   (01.14.06)
It's hard to tell whether some of those who have posted responses are truly jerks or just pretending. As someone who finds genetics, history, and genealogy fascinating, I'd like to know more about this study. Are the descendants of these four women in Haplogroup K? I'm in this group along with Otzi, that fellow found frozen in the Italian Alps.
11. Jews have a right to live in Israel
Rufus Greenbaum ,   Stanmore, England   (01.14.06)
The researchers stated that the Jews of ancient Israel emigrated to Italy and then spread throughout Europe. This goes against the views of the Arabs who deny that Jews have any rights to live in Israel. We have a right of return !
12. hamish & the hebes
john ,   tel aviv   (01.14.06)
like many scots, you have this thing about the old testament. its fairly unimpressive
13. & what will reform Jews do with this information?
(01.14.06)
will it change their views and reestablish MATRILINAL descent?
14. yes Richard
Raykie ,   Israel   (01.14.06)
loser
15. This proves that ALL Jews are indigenous
Susan ,   Philadelphia, USA   (01.14.06)
This proves that even European Jews originally came from Israel and traveled to Europe. Some Arabs have claimed that European Jews have no connection to Isrel and this is just not true.
16. where are the Khazars?
Hassan ,   Holy land   (01.14.06)
I wish the researcher make comparison with the mtDNA from Khazars the real ancestors of the modern jews as Khoestler suggested before 40 years in his book The 13th Tribe .
17. Hassan
Gil ,   Tel Aviv   (01.14.06)
What you wish for and what the actual facts proved by mitochondrial DNA analyzed from 11,000 different samples representing 67 populations actually proves are two VERY DIFFERENT things. I suggest that you smoke some more and keep wishing. Sweet dreams Hassan.
18. To Hassan and lll in talk back about mtDNA
Marc Bodman, MD ,   Albany, NY   (01.15.06)
In general a few points here. Mitochondrial DNA can help establish, at least in part, origins and migrations of peoples. I think this is interesting. No less every people throughout history migrated, including teh Arabs (Palestinians, different Arab tribes, Germans, Slavic tribes, etc). We can all learn from this, especially about genetic disorders. FYI Hassan Jews are today represented by a mixture of ethnicities and races, much like Arabs (and Plaestinians). I think it would be interesting to do such a study comparing the mitochondrial DNA of various Arab tribes, and peoples, including the Palestinians.
19. test "Palestinian" DNA?
Bernard ,   Israel   (01.15.06)
I think it would be very informative to compare various surrounding "Arab" groups to Jewish (Sephardi and Ashkenazi) DNA. I would imagine many are descended from Jews who fled the Romans to nearby areas and later accepted Islam...especially when you look at their naming patterns and customs....why would a Moslem name his son Yusef or Yakub if they claim descent from Esau and Ishmael?
20. The Palestinians are...
Gil ,   Tel Aviv   (01.15.06)
just a bunch of Israeli kids avoiding army service.
21. #11
Dorothy Friend ,   Tel Aviv   (01.15.06)
So what are you waiting for?
22. DOROTHY UNFRIEND AND LINDA RIVERA ENEMIES OF JUDAISM
DACON9   (01.16.06)
23. #22 - What's your problem?
Dorothy Friend ,   Tel Aviv   (01.16.06)
I'm telling him to come. I'm encouraging Aliya. If someone wants to come, they should come. It's called put your butt where your mouth is.
24. From the same article in BBC
(01.16.06)
"The Ashkenazis are thought to have travelled from the Middle East to Italy in the first or second Centuries." BBC is trying to de-legitimise zionism by changing "Israel" with "Middle east", hey, jews dont have a right on Israel, they just came from somewhere in the middle east! - this is basicly what they're trying to convice people with by switching the two. BBC not objective? CANT BE!!
25. Hadrian killed all the jews
Kazadum   (10.24.17)
Hadrian really did kill almost all the jews. The romans said they liquidated the jews after the horrendous revolt of bar khoba, this is actual proof. That means Hadrian killed around 10-15 million jews.
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