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Nobel laureate: Gaza pullout won’t bring peace
Ronny Sofer
Published: 22.01.06, 09:03
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1. If anyone believes in the koran, Israel will be threatened.
bunnie Meyer ,   Santa Monica, CA USA   (01.22.06)
2. Brilliant Speech
Elle ,   NYC   (01.22.06)
I agree 100%. In a nutshell he has stated everything I have been thinking. Israelis should listen to him, he's a Nobel Prize winner (a deserving winner) but probably because he wears a Kippah Israelis will be disgusted and turn the other cheek. Why are the majority of Israelis so secular? Why do they shun everything Jewish? I'm not Orthodox by any means but I'm always proud when I see a fellow Jew in the street with a Kippah or Magen David. What exactly disgusts Israelis about being religious? This is at the root of the settler hate and demonizing. This must be dealt with. I'm glad Professor Aumann has brought this to the forefront. Does anybody have a link to his whole speech?
3. He knows the enemy well. HE IS RIGHT!
Roger ,   USA   (01.22.06)
Very unfortunate but true.
4. The Arabs want the Jews dead
Mel ,   USA   (01.22.06)
The Jews are stuck with the Arabs ...but since there is no alternative to strength the Jews must keep going forward but keep a gun at all times.
5. Submission is an Arab value
Rose ,   USA   (01.22.06)
Defeating the opponent at all costs is an Arab value. Showing the superiority of Islam is an Arab value. Peace and love is not valued by the Arabs unless they are based on total submission.
6. He is brilliiant! He understands the enemies
Roger   (01.22.06)
You cannot force an enemy to make peace with you. It is not possible as it not going to last. An enemy will want peace only when it is in the enemy's interests. Jews must be patient.
7. Impatient Jews will destroy Israel not the Arab enemies
Ann   (01.22.06)
Jews must be patient because the enemy is vile.
8. Amazing! What wants he? Continuation of illegal settlements!
Sal   (01.22.06)
9. #8; Arab towns are illegal settlements!
Palestiniansareamyth ,   USA   (01.22.06)
Jews have a right to live on their homeland!
10. #1 U R Right
Mohammad ,   Gaza   (01.22.06)
11. #8 To Arabs everything Jewish is illegal
Ann ,   USA   (01.22.06)
To Arabs Tel Aviv is an illegal settlement. The Arabs will never reconcile with anything Jewish unless it is under the Arab authority. To Arabs anything Arab is legal and anything Jewish is not. That is why they occupy 99.9% of the Middle Eastern landmass but want all 100%. That is what fair to the Arabs.
12. #11, These settlements are worldwide illegal, enclosing USA.
Sal   (01.22.06)
13. shame
bb ,   USA   (01.22.06)
I wander How such a prestigious person who got the Nobel Prize is talking like this. It is a shame for the scientific communilty to give this person such a prize, for a man who is calling for war and killing and occupation. It is a shame to give him this distinguished prize. The science of these people should be aknowledeged but not their idealogies full of hatred and RACISM. Scientist should be above theis mantality of war and should not behave like animals in a jungle.
14. Aumann: stick to what you know-economics
Michael Steiner   (01.22.06)
Absolute nonsense. First of all, the settlers have over the years been treated a damn sight better than e.g. the third of all Israeli children who cannot afford a proper meal in any one day. Of course many of them are principled (though that doesn't necessarily mean their principles are laudable), some of them even principled in a good way. But if keeping a couple of hundred thousand people in a location has deleterious consequences on MILLIONS of people, which it does, then it's a no-brainer. As far as his postulate that "territorial concessions won’t bring peace," he's entirely correct. No-one is actually claiming otherwise: I think even the most fantastic Utopian notions from the likes of Meretz have by now dissipated. There can be no peaceful settlement with the Palestinians, in which we withdraw to some borders and they live side by side with us in peace, and I don't think such a settlement will be possible for years if not decades. But that's not the point of territorial "concessions." Their point is rather to avert high costs and a disastrous future. The costs of both the settlements and our military presence in the midsts of a very hostile Palestinian population is exorbitant: financially, economically, socially, legally, internationally, in terms of lives lost, wounded, destroyed..., and in many other ways. And the long-term future of a continued involvement is even worse: a demographic annihilation of Israel. We cannot make millions of Palestinians disappear nor can we keep them under occupation for centuries to come (as have learned many countries so far--the last being Indonesia) so we'll sooner or later have to give them the citizenship and all that it entails. And we all know what that would mean. So, a withdrawal behind a wall is the only option.
15. #12 The land is disputed
Dan ,   USA   (01.22.06)
Because the Arab insurgency is trying to take it over from the Jews and if you disagree or question them then they will blow you up into pieces at schools, discos, supermarkets, buses, restaurants, hospitals or hijack the planes and cause pain, death and destruction. That is the essense of the enemy!
16. Hadn't u occupied their land, would've they never blown u up
Mike ,   Italy (To #15)   (01.22.06)
17. I take it all back, now IC
Michael Steiner   (01.22.06)
The arabs came out of their peninsula and are mass-murdering everyone in sight. The nations hate IL for killing their idol. ergo their support for destroyting IL and Jews in their land with extreme prejudice. Forgive me. They must go!!!
18. Professor Aumann PROVES THERE IS HOPE FOR THE WORLD
DAOCN9 ,   A NORMAL PROFESSOR?   (01.22.06)
A NORMAL SCHOLAR? A NORMAL PROFESSOR? FROM GERMANY? WOW!!! PROF SHOULD BE THE PRIME MINISTER OF ISRAEL. IF HE DOES I WILL MOVE TO YERUSHALAYIM IMMEDIATLY.
19. Stick to economics buddy
A Bethlehemite ,   Palestine   (01.22.06)
Cause your crystal ball readings are flawed.
20. 10. #1 U R Right . YOU ARE SO FUNNY
DACON9 ,   MOVIN TOJEWISH GAZA   (01.22.06)
MOHAMMED UM KALTHUM GAVE ALL HER MONEY TO YOU ARABS TO DESTROY JUDAISM SHE CRIED WHEN ONE OF YOUR BOMBS BLEW UP PREMATURLY ISHMAEL SONS LOVED WAR AND REFUSED TO MAKE PEACE. MOHAMMED WAS CRAZY AS HIS UNCLE THOUGHT, THEN HE MADE WAR WHEN HE FLEW INTO HIS NEW MESSIANIC ENLIGHTENMENT. ARAFART STOLE 1.4 BILLION USD FROM YOU ARABS. ARABS DESTROYED FARM HOUSES IN NEWLY ACQUIRED GUSH KATIF ABOVE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH NOTHING I WAS MERELY THINKING OF YOUR PROMINENT FIGURE HEADS BRING ME A KIBE .. QUICKLY , AND HOT PITA. DONT FORGET TO WATER THE CAMELS
21. #20 Really, I never knew Um Kalthoum was such a heroic lady!
Milad   (01.22.06)
22. mathematical models
Michael ,   Haifa   (01.22.06)
The mathematics are probably perfectly correct, justifying the Nobel Prize. The problem is that the models are predicated by the asumption that people are rationally motivated only by cost-benefit analysis. Aumann does not take into account that people are irrational. He should just spend five minutes reading the talk-backs here in order to discover that.
23. # 17 -- Michael : please explain what UC .
AH   (01.22.06)
24. Thank you Dr Aumann
Daavid ,   USA   (01.22.06)
Thank you Dr Aumann. You deserve another Nobel prize,the one for your love of Eretz Israel Kol HaKavod.... The panel should take back all three given to Rabin,Peres, and Arafat and give them to you. Two of them are dead and the third is living in a dream world.
25. the rightofreturn
natan the jewish ,   kanada   (01.22.06)
the sooner Israel cease to exist as Jewish state and becomes a a state for all people the faster the real peace will happen between Jews and Palestinians. Israeli goverment must stop inviting Russian, Ukrainian and American citizens to come so called promised land. If Israelis recognize Palestinian right of return so will Palestinians will recognize Israel as a state which has rights to be there (though not as a pure Jewish state).
26. Common mispreception #16
(01.22.06)
I suggest you read this http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Terrorism-+Obstacle+to+Peace/Palestinian+terror+before+2000/Which%20Came%20First-%20Terrorism%20or%20Occupation%20-%20Major
27. Listen to the wise man
Hilda ,   USA   (01.22.06)
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