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Europe objects to El Al's anti-missile shield
Eldad Beck
Published: 26.02.06, 10:36
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1. SWISS THINKING FULL OF HOLES
DEBRA ,   USA   (02.26.06)
STUPID SWISS. THEY SHOULD BE LEARNING FROM THE ISRAELIS. THE SWISS DECISION IS OUTRAGEOUS. HOW LITTLE THEY CARE FOR THE SAFETY OF JEWISH LIVES. THE SWISS-- BANKERS FOR THE NAZIS.
2. civilian aircraft missle defense systems
Nancy ,   SeaTac, WA u.s.   (02.26.06)
The problem is that the missles will be diverted to innocent civilian populations. There is an implied risk, while small, in flying on an airplane. People on the ground have not assumed that risk so they should not be put in harms way. Obviously if the missle hits certain targets there would be more deaths and damage than if it hit an airplane. I live near a major u.s. airport and I don't want a missle diverted into my back yard.
3. You can write to Swiss Government
Gabrielle Goldwater ,   Geneva Switzerland   (02.26.06)
Swiss Foreign Commission Mrs. Calmy-Rey - Swiss FM - should explain a bit her general attitude. Addresses you should use: generalsekretaer@eda.admin.ch, uno@eda.admin.ch, info@eda.admin.ch , Embassy of Switzerland 228 Hayarkon St. Tel Aviv : vertretung@tel.rep.admin.ch Political Affairs Division II - Africa / Middle East PA2-Afrika-Naher-Osten@eda.adm Swiss Federal Office for Civil Aviation: FOCA Online contact website: http://www.aviation.admin.ch/service/kontakt/index.html?lang=en
4. DEBRA , USA: Please blame a government and NOT
Gabrielle Goldwater ,   Geneva Switzerland   (02.26.06)
the Swiss people. We have Jews as well, and I am one of them, working hard for Israel for over 40 years. I think you should think before you call an entire people stupid Would you like us to call ALL of stupid, for the policies the USA is having on Israel and how the US is pushing Israel into the corner ? Now think !!!!
5. Protection.
Toppi ,   Stockholm, Sweden   (02.26.06)
EL AL has right to protect the jewish people and other non-jewish. I support it.
6. Nancy #2
Yossi ,   Canada   (02.26.06)
You may be concerned about innocent civilians, but you have not thought this through. If an Israeli plane has to deploy it's defensive measures, then it means that the host country has not done it's job. I'm sure a plane load of dead Jews is a an acceptable loss as long as were saving your sorry ass. If blame needs to be thrown, then direct your anger at the damn arabs who commit these crimes, not Israel the INNOCENT.
7. Eurabia
Yisraeli   (02.26.06)
watch how the pathetic european governments will clamour and fight for such a system when someday a plane of theyrs goes down from a rocket launcher. frikin imbeciles.
8. #2
Phil ,   US   (02.26.06)
First of all, the European's objection to El Al's missle defense system is not surprising. Remember, these are the children and grandchildren of the Europeans who collaborated in the murder of 6000,000 Jews, either actively or passively. The Swiss helped to finance Hitler and the ghouls in their banking industry stole billions of dollars from Jews. Although the Europeans like to hide their hatred of Jews by PC talk (we support Israel's right to exist), they never have seen an Israeli self-defense measure that they approve of. Basically, they don't approve of passive defenses such as checkpoints(too inconvenient for the terrorists), selective assassination of terrorist leaders (illegal without a trial---like the PA or other Arabs would turn them over to Israel for trial), building a security wall to keep terrorists out (apartheid say the Europeans), or negotiation (Barak should have offered them Tel Aviv and all of Jerusalem say the Europeans), missle defense (too many surviving Jews say the Europeans). So in other words, Europeans say that Israel has a right to exist, they oppose every option Israel has in order to survive. To #2----I wonder what your feelings would be if an American airliner carrying your children or loved ones is shot down over Seattle by a Al Queda member. Basically, your response shows that you are full of sh*t.
9. How poetic
(02.26.06)
Europes dissapproves of Israel defending itself.
10. air security
samuel blair ,   BOCA RATON USA   (02.26.06)
honestly, if I were p.m. i would have my minister of foreign affairs tell these countries that i would tell the world not to fly their planes that they could be shot down.by terror groups israeli planes would not be shot down! and their planes could not land in israel. these countries would be warned and to realize it would be to their advantage to equip their planes with the same system. yes, that is the way i would handle this very stupid approace by such nations.
11. Eurabia on its knees
Arie   (02.26.06)
The Eurabians continue to fall on their knees as they demand that Israel surrender to the muHAMedans as they did. We are witnessing a resurgence of the Europe of 1939, where entire peoples are expendable, and once again the Eurabians are more than happy to see Jews in the forefront being executed to satiate the blood lust of the muHAMedans.
12. Nancy #2
Arie   (02.26.06)
You are the same type that would seek someone other than the moHAMedans to blame for 9/11: perhaps you adhere to the debunked story of the Israelis taping the entire incident?;how about the debunked story that all Jews knew to stay away that day?; Will you now bgin initiating your own Shoah denial? We have a right to protect ourselves and our people! If you wish to surrender to the moHAMedans, do so on your own terms and with your own sacrifices. Don't expec us to kneel to the moHAMedan blood lust like the Eurabians have done. The Jew of the Shoah is gone. The Jew of today WILL fight back!
13. Tel Aviv will suffer damage
Nancy ,   SeaTac, WA u.s.   (02.26.06)
I object to the same damn system on american planes too.. Obviously there are a lot of idiots who think I'm anti-Semetic because I objected to El Al having them I object to the airline I fly for having them as well for the same reason I stated I am against El Al having them. I'm Jewish for crying out loud. Obviously the u.s. is still not doing it's job since they say a "terrorist" attack is iminent on u.s. soil. When El Al uses their missle defense and the missle hits Tel Aviv or Jerusalem, then we will talk further. Your hatred against those who can think clearly is pathetic. First target will be an El Al flying into Israel shot at from either inside Israel . You can bet if El Al's defense system wipes out an arab target that it will be the start of jihad like Israel has never seen before.
14. Hijacked Airplanes
Avi Cohen ,   Boston   (02.26.06)
If a hijacked plane has the system and a military tries to take it out before it can hit a major city and the system deploys, then obviously the hijackers can continue using the plane as a weapon. This is a bad idea and I doubt the U.S. military would want it on U.S. civilian aircraft.
15. Diverted missle question
Karen ,   NYC   (02.26.06)
It would be very sad if other airlines had this sytem and it deployed with the missle wiping out an El Al airliner as it sits ready for take off at the airport (the system cannot be deployed on the ground) How will this protect the airport? As I understand it, the system can only be used close to airports since the missles are shoulder missles. Would the United States appreciate this if the missle landed in the middle of NYC?
16. Nancy , SeaTac, WA : You think clearly ?!
Gabrielle Goldwater ,   Geneva Switzerland   (02.26.06)
give us a break girl one thing is clear - your ass is save but for how long - wake up
17. #1 Swiss even make cheese with holes
(02.26.06)
Thats why they are so good at ganefing things from people They even rip you off with the cheese
18. 17: Wrong You shoot the holes into the cheese
Gabrielle Goldwater ,   Geneva Switzerland   (02.26.06)
19. To Ms Goldwater
Alex ,   USA   (02.27.06)
I read this site. Few call the US stupid: instead you call us evil. But you do not like it when the Swiss, complicit for decades in stealing wealth from the victims of the Holocaust, are merely called stupid. Now think !!!!
20. Nancy
DR ,   Florida, USA   (02.27.06)
Do you think the Israeli military is run by monkeys? You don't think they thought this through. Of course they wouldn't use a system that diverted missiles into civilian neighborhoods. These flares attract missiles and if the missile is armed, then it will explode in the air. That is how they work, they are timed to go of (to arm)f when they reach their targets. Europeans are scared to use this system b/c it shows that they are in agreement with Israel and then the Arab population in their countries will riot and set fire to their homes. This is what we are seeing. Don't give in to the European coward movement.
21. To Nancy with Respect
Alex ,   USA   (02.27.06)
I am not accusing you. You sound like a sensible person who knows something about these systems. If the Israelis want to protect their planes, that makes sense to me. If the Swiss do not want to risk the collateral damage threatened by El AL's defensive measures, that too makes sense to me. As for the substance of your post, I think you may have overlooked one thing. Yes, a missile exploding is going to rain down debris, risking the death of innocents below. And you are quite right that those below did not knowingly accept that risk. But if the missile hits an airplane, there will be quite a bit more debris falling, risking even more deaths below plus the deaths of those on the plane. Bastiat talked of the errors that arise from looking only at what is seen and and ignoring what is unseen. It is not those who defend against missiles aimed at civilian aircraft that kill; it is those who launch them. If I err, please explain to me. I try to listen to what sensible people have to say.
22. SWISS GOVERNMENT DON'T WANT JEWS PROTECTED
Linda Rivera ,   New York   (02.27.06)
23. Missel in civilian ares
Swede1 ,   Boise,Id. USA   (02.27.06)
Just ONE question....... How many innocents will be "SPARED" when that airliner HIT the ground burning jet fuel and exploding with more energy than that "little" should fired stinger? Or did you even "consider THAT?" Swede1
24. Anti-semetic? lol
Swede1 ,   Boise,Id.USA   (02.27.06)
Anti-Semetic......NO! Living in Seattle, Wa. your ATTITUDE is to be EXPECTED! Nancy.....good LIBERAL name from a liberal SOCIALITIC state! Guess that all I can say...is that NO ONE has the "right" to take away YOUR rights, But by the same token NO one can take away MINE. BUT then again it is YOUR RIGHT and MINE to PROTECT our RIGHTS. That being said, and I DO hope we agree....Does not a NATION have the same RIGHT? How can you say a country......or COMPANY can NOT DEFEND themselves? What is YOUR response going to be if/when a 747 is shot down and lands upon YOUR house? Don't BOTHER to answer...I KNOW The government didn't do IT'S JOB! Because YOU refused to give it the TOOLS it needed to DO THE JOB! Gosh! I don't need another cup of coffee after all that! Try to have a "good" day. Swede1
26. Silly objections to civilian aircraft missile defense.
Jay Crawford ,   Miami, FL, USA   (02.27.06)
If a missile, launched by terrorists, brings down an airliner, the damage to civilian neighborhoods would be immense. A typical smaller airliner carries 20+ tons of aviation kerosene and such an airplane crashing into any civilian are would bring fiery death to many. By comparison, a man-portable anti-aircraft missile typically carries only a 1kg (2.2 lb) warhead, with only a little over half that weight being explosive (about enough to destroy your car). In other words, if you live near an airport, YOU WANT JET AIRLINERS TO BE EQUIPPED WITH ANYTHING THAT WILL PROTECT THEM FROM TERRORISTS...even if there is the possibility a small missile with a half kilo of explosive landing in your backyard. The alternative, a airplane weighing 100-400 tons and carrying tens of thousands of times as much explosive power in its fuel which will anihilate your family and friends, would be incomprehensibly worse. Nancy, even if can write off the lives of passengers who may become the victims of terrorists, those same murderers want that airliner to crash on your family/neighbors to greatly enhance the death toll...remember the World Trade Center? May airliners never crash and may your family always be safe.
27. response to comment #2
michael ,   nj   (02.28.06)
comment 2 reads "The problem is that the missles will be diverted to innocent civilian populations. There is an implied risk, while small, in flying on an airplane. People on the ground have not assumed that risk so they should not be put in harms way. Obviously if the missle hits certain targets there would be more deaths and damage than if it hit an airplane. I live near a major u.s. airport and I don't want a missle diverted into my back yard. " the concept that a shoulder launced missle can do more damage to a house than to a plane is ludicrous. these missiles have very small warheads that cannot cause much damage to a target that is not fragile. airplanes are very fragile, and a misslie hitting an airplane can kill up to everyone onboard, several hundred people. if a misslie hits a home or apartment building, i would be very suprised if more than a dozen people even need to be hospitalized.
28. Europe objects to El Al's anti-missile shield
Arthur ,   U. S. A.   (02.28.06)
Gee, I guess then the President of the United States won't be going to Europe soon. I'm pretty sure he has the same style of defense on Air Force One. This idea is pure nonsense.
29. Nancy at SeaTac
Strobe ,   JFK, NY, USA   (02.28.06)
You claim to worry about being hit by a diverted missile. Taking your post at face value, you SHOULD be worrying about the far greater damage from having a crippled airliner crash on you.
30. did I hear that right?
alan ,   frisco   (02.28.06)
Let's see if I got this? The Israelis invent a system to protect their plances from missiles after one of its planes almost got shot down in Africa? Some European countries that either committed the Holocaust or aided and abetted it get wind of the development? And these same countries declare in effect an air embargo of the protected planes? Are the Europeans who cooked this bright idea up taking heroin or dropping acid with their Merlot? Where do they dig up idiots like these?
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