Opinion  Sever Plocker
A message to Hamas
Sever Plocker
Published: 16.03.06, 11:45
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1. Occupation is Real
Marco Bertaglia ,   Ashforf,UK   (03.16.06)
Nonsense article! Israel can use as much force and violence as he pleases all over Israel and Palestine, and beyond, how and when he wishes. He can violate UN resolutions as much as and more than China or the SLORC in Burma. The international community will never do any more than blame (when and if it does blame). "Dear Hamas, displease Israel and you'll pay." Is this the message? No new message at all! Innocent lives will pay. As ever before. THIS IS NO NEWS AT ALL! It's bloody déjà-vu. I am not making any point about whether it was a just or an unjust action, this is not my focus here. All I am saying it's: "Nothing new under the Middle-East Sun"... Confrontation breeds confrontation, violence breeds violence...
2. I dont under #1, whats your point?
(03.16.06)
3. electioneering
nehad ismail ,   camberley, england   (03.16.06)
Even Peres is now jumping on the band wagon by making threats of harsh retaliations. At election time, no one talks about dialogue and peace. Only threats. How cynical they can get. My message to Abbas is resign.
4. don't the images of humiliated men in underwear reminds of?
Ahmed ,   Ejerusalem Palestine   (03.17.06)
What an arrogant article that show Israel as a proud nation while all they do is confiscate and steal land, destroy homes and olive trees, punish a whole population, kill without any trials, build road for jews only where palestinians are not allowed to go... and the list goes on. We in the palestinian camp have extremists and terrorists among us , yes and we will fight them for the sake of peace. But you , you in Israel, you all share the crime of what you have done to us , we palestinians, from spoilation of our goods to humiliation..... and all this at the end is forcing you to retreat and live behind walls, as you will never and because of your actions of hate and arrogance belong to this region. I hope we will have a leader like Rabin, a man with courage and a vision to achieve peace.
5. Marco Bertaglia
Motti ,   Israel   (03.17.06)
Try to learn English while you're in the Uk, you little moron..........
6. It is a coward's strike like
peace lover ,   Toronto-Canada   (03.17.06)
The mighty army came with tanks and heavy artilary to face policemen with light weapons.what a bravery ! I sense that they fear the future and they will still fear the future .
7. Right #6, Israel should send in ...
Jul ,   Paris   (03.17.06)
... really poorly trained and motivated soldiers with slings so that palestinian policement would have their chance... How dumb can this remark of yours be ? It's a merit to have good soldiers and technological advance, not the opposite. If palestinians can't keep up, it's because they simply don't have the skill neither to fight nor to get good weapons. That's the only lesson you can draw from their poor performance at Jericho's jail.
8. #1
Jane   (03.17.06)
Are you related to Steven Spielberg? Same ridiculous speech. The point, dear Marco, is that there has to be a clear winner. And the clear winner will be Israel. And then, perhaps, there can be peace. We are quite generous when not being blown up.
9. #6
Jane   (03.17.06)
I sense that you are a terror-excusing moron, with a stereotypical lefty agenda.
10. To #4 Ahmed
Josh ,   Jerusalem   (03.17.06)
I enjoy reading your posts, and I am happy when I see that there are Palestinians who strive for the ultimate goal of peace, even though I don't agree with your opinions. I have noticed a recurring pattern in your posts: you think that Israel humiliates Palestinians, and you think we don't belong in this region. The humiliation part I can understand because of the constant feeling of Israel controlling your every-day lives. The fact is, it's true! Israel does control your lives, but we do it for a reason that is not to humiliate you, but to secure our country from terror. You must understand that Hamas and every other terror organization are not fighting Israel for you as a person and your civil rights. They are fighting Israel to completely destroy our state, religion, and people, and if you don't believe me, it's in the Hamas charter. If Israel loosens its security which would most definately improve your human rights, we would be vulnerable to terrorist attacks that would impinge on OUR human rights. For example, if we suddenly stopped border checks, we would have many more attacks because terrorists will not suddenly disappear. You say Palestinians will fight terrorism and extremests, but for decades YOU HAVE NOT. And about belonging to the region. If you want to look at it from a racial perspective, we are both decendants Abraham, and the Canaanite argument doesn't work because Canaan was Noah's grandson, the same Noah that everyone in the world is related to. If you want to look at it from a religious perspective, Judaism existed IN ISRAEL 1500 years before Islam was invented, and ever since the Jews fled Israel we have been dreaming of returning in our daily prayers for centuries. Basically we have the right to be here so stop pointing fingers, end terrorism and hate, and you will have a free life.
11. Keep strenghtening,meanwhile...
keren ,   sao paulo   (03.18.06)
should't Israel an Palestinians find other possibilities for resolving their problems? The other day,I read in these talkbacks somebody saying that Israel is too small to fit both peoples,Israelis and Palestinians.I guess,agree. And in the same talkback ,he said that palestians should find their solution,with the international community's help, in another arab country,maybe Jordan,or maybe near Mecca,which is their trully Holly place. Let's face reality,both people are unhappy together.So they must separate. It seems pretty clear that an interaction between both cultures is not possible,at least almost impossible. But, it is interesting that both people keep a symbiotic relationship:palestians need jobs and get them in Israel;Israelis prefer not to do certain jobs and hire palestians. If one wants to separate,he needs to separate! It seems obvious! What I mean is that,maybe,both people should start envisioning the possibility of palestians be given a land somewhere ,in an arab country,where they truly belong,and in the same time,untill such a thing is implemented,Israel start cutting jobs for palestinians to "force" themselves to really want to go, and find their own way without Israel, because,I guess,many don't really want a solution for the facilities they actually have. And ,in this way, Israel will provide jobs for its own citizens,who,maybe should re-learn to "put the hands in the dough",and let behind this too much capitalistic way of paying for more idle time spare. It would resolv the ,what people say with maybe an exagere, "white slavery",and other problems related to employment,and in the same time Israelis would restart getting their own lives in their hands. People would have less facities,but instead much more strenght. Do you know what I mean? It is hard to cut ties,it is hard to cut cheaper facilities,but sometimes ,to get something much consistent,espiritualy,moraly,fisicaly, it worth the sacrifice. Maybe,the whole world will complain again about israel, that it is racist ,and so on, for taking jobs from palestians,etc. But,well...What can we do?Or us or them.Or our true freedom of any ties,or an unhappy life forever,what everybody will agree,it is not Life at all!
12. Believing In The Tooth Fairy
Adina kutnicki ,   US   (03.17.06)
IF only what this writer says is true I would be thrilled. However, I am sure that the (all of a sudden) tough stand against terror was a play for votes from those who are on the fence, and view security as their number one concern. Why did this same regime allow hundreds ! of rockets to rain down on southern Israel all these months? Didn't these same miscreant leaders say there would be "zero tolerance" for any rockets after "disengagement"? The political hacks hamstrung the IDF and only "allowed" them to bomb empty fields. Therefore, I would sooner believe in the tooth fairy than in a new tough response on Hamas et al!
13. hamas needs to know and to #4
jason ,   USA   (03.18.06)
he cant win no one in the partys want to be with him and he migh be alone hamas dosnt understand democry NO ONE in the PA wants to be with him beacuse he dose terriorsm as a sigh of"peace".. he thinks he could get away from killing people..i dont think so this is the information age to #4 jews have the right to have all of israel beacuse they were there 1st futher then 3000 years ago dont think muslims were there 1st beacuse there didnt exist untill 600A.D not 1500bc
14. AHMED cant you see how the worm is turning for the Arabs...
Alan ,   South Africa   (03.18.06)
Even the Eurabians are starting to understand what the Arabs are trying to achieve...They had observers in that Jerico Jail...According to the stories I have read, they were terrified that the observers would be held hostage by the Hamas Hooligans... Thats why they pulled out.- not because of collusion with the Israelis!! They saw how the Brigadier Saadat Effendi and his little gang were running Jericho Jail ,,You can read the story in every Eurabian Newsrag..All over the world there is a better understanding of reality today.. Cries of "Humiliation, Occupation, Massacre and Genocide"are starting to have a hollow ring about them. You can't bomb the London Underground, Madrid Trains ,murder Pym Fortuin and Van Goch or Ilan Halimi and not make a bad impression. Who voted for Hamas?? Only the Arabs of the Gaza and West Bank.
15. Thanks josh-an interesting reply
Ahmed ,   Ejerusalem palestine   (03.18.06)
Because I believe in a just cause. Because if you are able as a human being tro put yourself in the other side shoes you understand so much. So let me tell you, if your family has lived in Haifa for 500 years then the jews come along and take your home , which by the way still exists but Israelies live in it. and the worst part is that the grave of your grandfather used to be right next to the house in the garden that belongs to it. But when my sister went back to Haifa (with a french passposrt) she found out that an israeli family has moved in and that the grave of my grandfather no longer exists. it is a small story, but it stays too so much about what the jews has done to us.You guys need to realize all the suffering and the injustice you have made us suffer. you can justiify your actions because of terror, but your immoral actions will come back and hunt you till justice is served. The jews has suffered tremendously thru out the holocaust, but now it is your turn to make other people suffer and even pay the price while we are far from being antisemite as you comfort yourself in portrraying us. Peace
16. THE SIMPLE TRUTH
PILPELET ,   H ISRAEL   (03.17.06)
AN AGREEMENT WAS BROKEN TO THE POINT THE USA AND UK WERE NOT WILLING TO CONTINUE , I DIDNT LIKE THE ARTICLE TOO SMUGG BUT THE ARMY WAS NOT WILLING FOR THESE SELF CONFESSED MURDERERS TO BE FREE TO CONTINUE TO PLAN AND CARRY OUT KILLINGS I BELIVE THAY DID THE RIGHT THING AND IM GLAD MINIMUM PEOPLE WERE HURT IF IT WAS IN RUSSIA THE DEATH TOLL WOULD BE HIGHER AND NO ONE WOULD SAY A WORD BUT I DO AGREE WITH THE COMMENT ABOUT RABIN I ALSO WISH PALESTINE AND ISRAEL TO HAVE A LEADER LIKE HIM BUT I AM AFRAID WERE ALL OUT OF HEROES
17. Ahmed
(03.18.06)
I can imagine that it is indeed sad, but think of the things that led to that, your family having to flee their home did not just happen, there was a war that led to that, and mind you, a war that you started. Dont you think I am sad that my ancestors remained buried in Morroco, their graves probably vandelised, all the property of my family was stolen, what do you think of the 3000 years old cemetary at the olive hill, that was intentionally destroyed by the Jordanians and its thousand years old gravestones were used as pavement in Jordanian military bases. Acknologing your crimes is the only way to recive recognition of your suffering, and acknologing your own mistakes is the only way to solve the situation.
18. #17 with no name
AHMED ,   Ejerusalem Palestine   (03.18.06)
The Jews suffering does not give you a right to destroy the life of the people of Palestine. My family did not do any crime towards the jews. All what I am telling you that the jews suffered so much in Europe and now you made us suffer and you took our homes and disgraced our dead so today you are no better people that anyone other. Israel came and I am not saying you do not have rights to be here, but the result is occuaption, sufferings, killings (10 year old just killed today by your heroic forces), house demolition, land confiscation and the list goes on. Jews lived in the arab world without any problems till Israel was created and the war errupted. It is wrong to portray arabs as antisemite because this is simply not true. Peace
19. #6 you are where you belong
Patriot ,   Redmond, Oregon USA   (03.18.06)
This is in response to "peace lover", from Canada. Do you expect Israel to send in the Boy Scouts? At least they live by a code of HONOR and have morals. Something you Canucks would be well served to live by. How dare you criticize this operation when these cowards fight back by strapping on bombs to kill women and children, on purpose! It is a shame that this conflict rages on and innocents on both sides are killed, especially any children. Israel has no choice but to respond in this way until the islamofacists look at the horror they are raining on their own society. Where was hamas in all this? Hiding with the rest of the them who have no backbone to try and settle this. You can thank yasser "arufat" for most of this when he walked away from the Camp David Agreements, He had three birds in his hands and let them go. The rest is history as they say.
20. Yep, this is true........
fivish ,   UK   (03.18.06)
The author is correct. The Arabs understand strength.
21. Like Using a Sling
Joe Levi ,   Los Angeles.USA   (03.18.06)
Israel needs a sling shot, not a sling. It has been coddling the Palestinian Infifada for over a decade. According to Janes in London (14ys ago), it had the ability to destroy the Palestinians within 3 days..the entire Arab enemy within 10. Now that the Russians will supply Hamas with APC and helicopters, and with the smuggling, I suspect 3 days are 4 days too soon. Remember it took 6 days for G-d to create the world. Israel, to put it mildly, is far too soft on it's enemies. It has the ability, but not the guts. It seeks US approval for everything it does. That must end. One good tank raid against Hamas and it's all over. They (the Arabs) will beg for mercy. Until then, even raids like Jericho will disputed. In fact, nothing that Israel does is not disputed by someone, somewhere. Now Japan is getting into the act..I ask, who next, Ghana?
22. Plocker is wrong and Olmert will fail
Me ,   Here   (03.19.06)
23. ahmad #15
alan ,   frisco   (03.19.06)
You know Ahmad Jews and Arabs in Haifa get along pretty well. They eat at each other's restaurants. The Arab villages lie on the south and north of Har Carmel. And those who left Haifa were asked to stay in 48 by the Jews. But war is war and when the Arabs invaded after the UN approval, the Jews had every right to deny those who fled the right to return. No fifth columns needed thank you. So it is really a cannard that homes were taken in Haifa. The fact is they were abandoned with the hope of coming back and taking the homes of the Jews who were going to be conquored. The remedy is don't start a war with the Jews. Crying about it afterwards does not remove the guilt. Jews are not making Arabs suffer. They are only trying to maintain their security from terror. Before Oslo, Arabs in the West Bank and Gaza prospered in many catagories from Israeli administration. Then you welcomed back Arafat and your future became bleak. Now you vote in Hamas. If you shoot yourself in the foot, it is not proper to blame the guy who gives you electricity, water, medicine, and even if you would take it democracy without terror. Well yes you voted. Now you have Hamas. That is not the fault of the Jews.
24. There is no arab unity
Hiram ,   Tel Aviv   (03.19.06)
Arab unity is a myth. Hamas is definately isolated and will remain Isolated. Hamas does not listen to Palestinian. The result of this race for power is that Hamas will be powerless...So much for "Arab Unity " and Arab nation...!!!
25. Message to Hamas - Last chance - Dont squander it!
Sammy ,   London   (03.19.06)
To Hamas From a dedicated supporter of the Palestinian cause You have been given a mandate to lead the Palestinian people. Think carefully before you condemn yet another generation to violence, hopelessness, anger and bitterness. You have to find new ways to move forward and prepare your public for a free dialogue with the Israelis. The world will respect you and will do everything it can to promote a fair solution. Bear in mind that the majority of Israelis desire this too. And you have to begin to draw those thousands of disposessed young angry Palestinians and harness their energies to fight a different battle - to conquer the desert and make it bloom, to help build and educate themselves and most of all to create a society where violence and hatred is not the norm. And please dont let Palestine become a place where external forces can influence your politics. Look at Hizbollah and Lebanon - Whose country is it? Look at Iraq? When all said and done the differences to resolve are actually quite small. Its about finding a way of carving out a bit of land to create a homeland fo two people to live in peace. Gd is great. May the light of wisdom shine upon you.
26. These palestians...
keren ,   sao paulo   (03.19.06)
must stop this blabbery of "occupation". Jews BOUGHT almost all land of Israel in the 19th century ,from the arabs;after they were "given" the land they were bought!;after they conquered the same land they first bought and were given! So the Land of Israel is our ,for any perspective one can look. Palestians were always uncabable to bear their own destiny;ALWAYS! It is not Jews' fault,is their own! And they spread this ridiculous message of "occupation"throughout the world,because they are nothing but uncapable cowards.Their leaders and them! Face the truth! And the world easily embarks in this story!Such an absurd!
27. #23, I love this hitorical lie tha tyou use to feel good
AHMED ,   Ejerusalem Palestine   (03.19.06)
Stop repeating this historical lie that the arabs left on their own. no one leaves his house beaucse he is asked to. You took my home and this is a fact. my home is still standing. For a second imagine if you were an arab and the jews take 1/3 of your country. what do yo do? you just watch or attack to protect what you have? The jews can not go on pretending thay they did not commit a crime against the palestinians. you need to look at yourself in the mirror. from my part I do and I am very worried that the majority of palestinians voted for Hamas but it democracy and we need to respect that. Finally, Israel is stealing more land and building walls, killing everyday and comforting itself by saying it is the war against terror. We are no antisemite, but we are fighting the injustice that you have created in the past and even now.
28. ahmed #15
yakov shani ,   afula   (03.19.06)
Ahmed, by this time you know that I am a civilized person and only reply in a serious manner. With sorrow and sadness I read about your sister visiting Haifa and looking for your grandfather's grave. You are lucky your grandfather had a grave, you see Ahmed, my grandfather was put into an oven and cooked by mr. hitler.No grave Ahmed So we are both sad and upset. Would it not be better if we were both happy and friends. It is up to you and your people and leaders.
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