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Poland must deal with its past
Daniel Schatz
Published: 02.04.06, 09:57
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31. NO WAY........Not giving anything back....
Szymon ,   Poland   (04.03.06)
ok Poland doesn't owe nothing to the jews.they lived happy together then germany got rid of them not Poles. after holocust jews left thats their problem they could of stayed. they can go ask germany to give them land like i said Poland doesn't own them crap.
32. you are a moron sir.
Adam ,   Sweden   (04.03.06)
you are a moron sir.
33. property hve been given back...
Adam ,   Swe   (04.03.06)
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/wire/sns-ap-poland-pope-home,1,7868227.story?coll=sns-ap-nationworld-headlines&ctrack=1&cset=true "Ron Balamuth, an American who inherited the property from his Jewish grandparents, who were killed in a Nazi death camp, sold the home Wednesday to a Polish businessman. " it is a delicate matter and it is not as strait forward and easy sounding like the author of the article make it seem like it would.
34. Homes back to Arabs then????
David ,   Israel   (04.03.06)
By this logic, shouldn't my parent's property in Baka, Jerusalem go back to its former owner, as well - As would any Arab-Owned land Pre-1948 War, not to mention, Pre-1967 that was taken by Jews. Careful here...
35. And let's not forget...
Dorothy Friend ,   Tel Aviv   (04.03.06)
...that there were poor Jews also, that lived in the most appalling conditions in Poland and never had anything except fear of the next pogram to start with.
36. Poland should stop spoiling time!
Dariusz ,   London   (04.03.06)
The Czech government passed legislation concerning the return of properties confiscated during the Holocaust to Jewish private individuals a few years ago. The measure was approved by parliament without difficulties. Other eastern European countries have done the same thing. It is time that Poland stops wasting time (their strategy is to wait and drag out on this until all survivors dies) and starts restituting the properties!
37. how's that
mob   (04.03.06)
1. Poland doesn't have money for such compensation 2. The owners of this property in most cases aren't alive. 3. It was Europe who sold Poland to Stalin in Yalta and it was Stalin's muppet gov that took Jewish property 4. Poland lost bilions worth property during WWII and was never compensated by no-one, Gerany nor Russia.
38. Anwser to #37
Intrum Justitia ,   Europe   (04.03.06)
You write "Poland doesn't have money". This is b-shit. Poland should follow international law and since the country is a member of the EU and OSCE it should follow the European Convention on Human Rights and OSCE declarations. By denying Holocaust survivors their confiscated property the Republic of Poland is breaching international law and European Union law. This is very clear. A ruling in the European Court on Human Rights will very clearly show this, without a doubt. So now, Poland should choose; either it will compensate Holocaust survivors voluntarily, or the Republic of Poland will face criminal charges in international courts.
39. IS POLAND THE SECOND PROMISED LAND
(04.03.06)
most of the postings above are ordering poland to do this , should do this thing and should not do that thing. israel and the jewish people are the superman of modern history so why not LAUNCH A WAR ON POLAND OCCUPY IT AND CLAIM IT AS THE SECOND GOD GIVEN LAND TO THE JEWS. hehehe
40. To No. 31, Szymon
Martin ,   Washington, DC   (04.03.06)
Szymon! Przepraszam, I'm not necessarily in favor of pressing Poland to return property for a variety of reasons, but you ignore 20th Century Polish history. Let's remember the anti-Semitic campaigns of the Polish gov't in 1968 and before, the Kielce pogrom in 1946, the mass murder of Jews in Jedwabne Poland in 1942 by Poles, etc. Martin (Marcin)
41. #22 Marcin in Poland
MARK ,   USA   (04.03.06)
Polish History 101 The Poles helped Hitler in making it easier for him to kill Jews. They also killed 40 Jews in 1946 in a pogrom called Kielce. The Nuns of Poland wanted a convent in a building just outside the grounds of the Museum of Martyrdom at Auschwitz I in 1998. The nuns even erected crosses there. Anti-Semitism is a huge part of Polish history. That is what I remember about the Poles.
42. To Szymon: What about JOHN PAUL II
MARK ,   USA   (04.03.06)
In the early 1940's, a young Polish salesman, employed by I.G. Farben Chemical Company (manufacturer of cyanide gas) 1 sold cyanide to the Nazis, for use in Auschwitz. That is the real John Paul II which you forget to mention in your Polish history books. Any particular reason?
43. Cardinal Józef Glemp
MARK ,   USA   (04.03.06)
Another Polish saint that preaches Anti-Semitism. He continued his anti-Jewish tirade stating that he was "opposed to the Polish nation accepting responsibility for the massacre of Polish Jews at Jedwabne". He is a such a responsible leader. That is another part of Polish history that the church forgets to mention.
44. Polish Pope forgot to return stolen goods
MARK ,   USA   (04.03.06)
The Vatican is so morally corrupt that it’s not embarrassed to admit that it has the stolen goods, and even relishes the opportunity to show them off — to the right scholars — at times. This is also part of history. Thieves.
45. What property ?
TZ ,   Bielsko,Poland   (04.04.06)
Poland will return NOTHING cause we have NOTHING to return, and You poor Jews - only Makes Us Laugh. Try to stole in another country.
46. Read some books MARK
TZ ,   Bielsko,Poland   (04.04.06)
Polish King made BIG mistake when invited Jews to "antisemitic" Poland instead of letting them to die in other countries where they were REALLY opressed - read some books about history of Polish Jews written by independent author - not by Israeli or Polish. Thats my wrinkle for Ya - or fall into blind antypolonism like most of the Jews.
47. Great, but do you really intend to live in Poland?
Oren ,   Israel   (04.04.06)
what will you do with the property? The only reason to return these assests, to my mind, is if the respective owners actually want to be Polish residents and live there. If that is the case, they have my strong support! The houses / factories or the land on which they stood could be claimed. But that's not what we're talking about, is it? Those who would ask for the return of their assets would sell them as fast as they receive them and use the funds to finance themselves elsewhere. Do you want to ask for Synagogues and houses of worship and turn them into museums? Sure! I'm all for it. Do you intend to become Polish citizens and support the Polish state that would grant you these assets? fair is fair. Yet something tells me that this is not the case. I'm not refuting a deep rooted antisemitism in Poland nor am I saying that Poland should not atone for its participation in the extermination of the Jewish nation. All I am saying is - you are going for material compensation which, after the acceptance of the 'rentas' from Germany, is no longer yours.
48. I'
Radoslaw Derkus ,   Wroclaw, Poland   (04.04.06)
Private property in Poland was taken with all due respect to the law - ( Nazi's claimed a part of the polish teritory as they own and they extended their law system to these lands ) - the problem of moral binding force of the law is unquestionable but it was STILL a law .. .. and The European Convention of Human Rights (1953) was created after nationalisation so refereing it to the previous acts is a little bit inappropriate. And I wanted to remind that not only the Jews were deprived of their property, but the WHOLE polish private sector ( in the aftertime ) and right now, in my opinion these wants are a little bit groundless and they're only making our bilateral relations worse. AND NO! IN Poland they are MANY people who hold Jews in great esteem, who want and like to talk, listen to arguments and are not anti-semitic at all ( moreover they are fighting with it actively ).
49. To :TZ , Bielsko,Poland
MARK ,   USA   (04.04.06)
All Jews need to leave Poland. Any Jew that lives in Poland is insane. The Polish were worse then the Nazis because they aided the Nazi Germans in killing Jews. They tried to deny that they did this and pretend to be victims of Nazi Germany. They were not victims. They were culprits.
50. Stolen goods in the Vatican,Vatican crimes
MARK ,   USA   (04.04.06)
The Vatican stole property from Jews but John Paul II did nothing to help the Jews receive their stolen property. You have an Anti-Semitic Cardinal Glemp who runs your church. The church that promotes love has Anti-Semitic cardinals and pedophiles running the church. The Vatican sheltered Nazi war criminals in safe houses, provided escape routes or ratlines to South America, and used the Vatican Bank to launder Nazi funds. Why didn't John Paul II inform the world about this?
51. Righteous Among the Nations - per Country & Ethnic Origin
ART ,   Warsaw, Poland   (04.04.06)
http://www1.yadvashem.org.il/righteous/index_righteous.html Six Million Polish Citizens Were Killed During the Holocaust of World War II. Half of These Polish Citizens Were Non-Jews. more: http://www.holocaustforgotten.com/poland.htm Of the 11 million people killed during the Holocaust, six million were Polish citizens. Three million were Polish Jews and another three million were Polish Christians and Catholics. Most of the remaining mortal victims were from other countries including Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Ukraine, Russia, Holland, France and even Germany. On August 22, 1939, a few days before the official start of World War II, Hitler authorized his commanders, with these infamous words, to kill "without pity or mercy, all men, women, and children of Polish descent or language. Only in this way can we obtain the living space [lebensraum] we need". Heinrich Himmler echoed Hitler's decree: "All Poles will disappear from the world.... It is essential that the great German people should consider it as its major task to destroy all Poles."
52. Cardinal Glemp - Leader of Catholic Poles
MARK ,   USA   (04.04.06)
I would like to remind Mr. Glemp that the same man he prays to every day is the same man he insults. Catholics view Jesus as a deity but insult their deity with Anti-Semitism. Even after 2000 years the Polish Catholic regime has not learned to practice what their diety instructed them to do. You are to love your enemies. An Anti-Semitic Primate of Poland that is in charge is unable to grasp that simple concept. Poles, are you proud of that behavior? There is no excuse for bad behavior and Mr. Glemp represents the Polish Church. What does that say about your church?
53. To Mark: Please Tone it Down
Martin ,   Washington, DC   (04.04.06)
Your intemperate remarks are overzealous and uncalled for. As the son of Polish Jews, I'm familiar with the history of Polish anti-Semitism. But to say the Poles were "worse than the Nazis" is really uncalled for, in my view. Such broad exaggerations unnecessarily harm Polish-Jewish relations.
54. To ART: That does not excuse bad behavior
MARK ,   USA   (04.04.06)
Most of the Poles were silent or helped the Nazis. They are still responsible for their behavior. Their silence and aid to the Nazis will always be a part of Polish history. There is nothing that is going to change that.
55. TZ , Bielsko
MARK ,   USA   (04.04.06)
The Anti-Semitism was started by the Catholic Church. The church is a big part of Polish society and that is why there has been so much Anti-Semitism in Poland. The people have been taught to hate Jews for so many years and eventually it became a normal part of their culture. There is a reason for their behavior and we can not blame Polish people for something that was not their fault. Unfortunately hatred of Jews must not be tolerated. There is no excuse for hatred. None.
56. To Martin: Denial,Betray is the worst evil
MARK ,   USA   (04.04.06)
1) There is no Polish-Jewish relations. 2) There is no love loss 3)People that pretend that they are victim of a crime but actually are the one doing a crime is as low as one can get. I stay away from those that betray. That is why avoid people from France. They betray Israel.
57. To Mark: about Hate.
TZ ,   Bielsko,Poland   (04.05.06)
Think deeply about Your Hate to Poles Mark - it could repair Your life. I know, I know - "Think about Your Hate, TZ....", there is no Hate - just dissapointment how Jews treat nation that was their biggest HOME for near 1000 years. One thing - during World War I, Part od Polish Jews planned to betrayal Poland and create their own independend state on the polish soil - "Judeopolonia" - with cooperations with one of the occupants of Poland - Russia or Germany ... such a loyality and gratitude to Poland for all that years... EOT from me.
58. Polish "tolerance"
Intrum Justitia ,   Europe   (04.05.06)
http://www.jta.org/page_view_story.asp?intarticleid=16498&intcategoryid=2
59. TO : TZ , Bielsko,Poland
MARK ,   USA   (04.05.06)
The reason for their betrayal was Poles never viewed Jews as citizens. They were Żydo-Komuna. Polska bez Zydow" Poland without the Jews, became the dream of the Poles. They were marked as parasites and were blamed for all the economic ills of the country. Are Jews supposed to thank Poles for that kind of abuse? I am glad that they betrayed Poland.
60. To Itrium Rustitia about Polish Tolerance
TZ ,   Bielsko,Poland   (04.05.06)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Righteous_Among_the_Nations Poles: numer 1 in ther Righteous Not enough ? You think Poles are racist ? Look at this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Confederation_%281573%29 So... which country Was most Tolerant in the Europe in the times when Jews needs Help ?! Which country as secend in the World (after USA) and First in Europe claimed CONSTITUTION ?! And, dear Jews - stop writing about "POLISH concentration camps" - how can You?! Shame on You! Don't You remeber that Poland Was the only country that not colaborated with the nazis during ocupation ? How can You say that Poles helped Hitler ? I Can't undarstand that - 6 million peoples died in the Holocaust, 6 million polish citizens - 3 million Jews and 3 million generic Poles and peoples from many other nations (for. ex. Gipsys). We helped Hitler ? Whate is wrong with You ?
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