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Nazis planned Holocaust for pre-state Israel
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Published: 08.04.06, 07:37
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1. Remember
Morris ,   NY, USA   (04.08.06)
...just how different everything could've been...
2. No need for Germans
gil ,   ashkelon   (04.08.06)
Arabs would do the job,under Husseini leadership,Hitler closest ally.
3. Einsatzgruppe Hamas
(04.08.06)
4. So its Palestine now- good to know!
one-of-them ,   Palestine-ALWAYS   (04.08.06)
5. It WAS called British Mandatory territory of Palestine
Efi ,   Tel Aviv, Israel   (04.08.06)
Note to one-of-them, (one-of-them jackasses?) that was not the name of an independent country, it was a geogrpahical term used by an empire (in this case British) to denote a territory, that's the purpose the term Palestine was used for.
6. Efi , Tel Aviv, Israel
(04.08.06)
khaval ha zman
7. This ain't news!
Logic ,   Israel   (04.08.06)
There were plans to defend the area with Palmach fighters. The plan was called "Masada on the Carmel." Also, Mufti Al Husseini set up a Muslim SS unit in Bosnia and wanted a death camp built here too.
8. there is no palestine... why don't you mofos get over it?
(04.08.06)
9. Correct story-The Grand Mufti of Jslm was plan's Godfather
Alan ,   SA   (04.08.06)
10. Husseini Knew...
Hiram Al Masry ,   Tel Aviv   (04.08.06)
This plan was blessed by the Jerusalem Muphti, de-facto allied to the Nazi regime, and a dedicated partisan of the JIhad agsinst the " non-moslems" However, the orignal idea did NOT come from the Nazi regime itself who had " its hands full " .
11. one-of-them : Get real learn Facts of the term Palestine
Gabrielle Goldwater ,   Geneva Switzerland   (04.08.06)
It has never been the name of a nation or state. It is a geographical term ONLY, used to designate the region at those times in history when there is no Sovereign nation or state there. The word itself derives from "Peleshet", a name that appears frequently in the Bible and has come into English as "Philistine". The PA and PLO do not constitute a state as defined by the law and applicable to international law because both entities lack a defined territory with a permanent population controlled by a government that has the capacity to enter into foreign relations. 'Palestine' is an amorphous entity whose status remains a question, it is NOT an existing reality. The UN even describes Palestine ONLY as a geographical region - on the same status as one would consider The Red Sea or the Valley of Hinnon a geographical region - but NOT a sovereing State or a regional selfruling country.
12. The Islamic Muslim Nazi connection
Gabrielle Goldwater ,   Geneva Switzerland   (04.08.06)
A mosque for ex-Nazis became center of radical Islam. From Mosque Construction Commission, the group became the Islamic Community http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05193/536684.stm The Arab/Muslim Nazi Connection - Anti-Semitism and Holocaust These Bosnian Muslim recruits rapidly found favor with SS chief Heinrich Himmler, who established a special Mullah Military school in Dresden. ... http://www.cdn-friends-icej.ca/antiholo/arabnazi.html Islam Under the Swastika The Grand Mufti and the Nazi Protectorate of Bosnia-Hercegovina, 1941-1945 http://www.serbianna.com/columns/savich/022.shtml
13. Hiram El Masry...
Ramzi Sfeir ,   Bethlehem, PALESTINE   (04.08.06)
Dear Hiram, " EL Masry" , "The EGYPTIAN" , i guess you too have been living in tel aviv for two thousand years with such a family name.... I love the way you always sound to be informed more than everyone else! But you know what? you are a clueless person, you say" The Original idea did not come from the Nazi Regime itself" .... well, the article is saying clearly that Arabs and nazis NEVER joined forces, ARE YOU BLIND OR WHAT? learn how to read! If we joined forces back then, israel would have never been created! you are selective in your reading! Anyways , have a nice day....Stop dreaming! you are the Occupier, we are the victims, IT IS A FACT that will never change......
14. Ramzi, you are always the victim, the occupied
(04.08.06)
You serve no purpouse besides living in crap and blaming it on Israel, fact is, when you are no longer under occupation you wouldnt know what to do with yourself, look at Gaza, you're drowning in your own shit and shooting eachother because there is no point to your existence without Israel controlling you, you do not want you own freedom and independence, you want to deprive it of the Jewish nation, that is all.
15. #13 Ramzi.. You are very knowledgable but..
Alan ,   SA   (04.08.06)
Mr El Masry is a little bit more right than you,sir... The Mufti and his Pals were running around Hitler's Berlin, trying to get them involved in murdering Jews in the ME and North Africa.. I am not suprised at the current research. Unfortunately the plans were not as easy to execute as Haj Amin El Husseini would have liked, as Rommels Roving Gang ran into some problems at El Alamein .Also the Nazis experienced other problems at Stalingrad. I think Haj Amin got a few Muslims together to help Hitler.. Also the Bosnian Muslims eagerly joined the Nazi Army. Didnt they look great in their Fez with the Swastika.So , your guys have a long record of attempting to wipe out Jews in the Middle East.Dont try to BS us,sir.
16. PS.. Nazi murdered Rhodes and Greek Jews with local help!
Alan ,   Sa   (04.08.06)
17. 13 Ramzi Sfeir, Bethlehem, Facts you cannot ignore
Gabrielle Goldwater ,   Geneva Switzerland   (04.08.06)
you need to stop listening to brainwashed information your leaders give you - They Lie A mosque for ex-Nazis became center of radical Islam. From Mosque Construction Commission, the group became the Islamic Community http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05193/536684.stm The Arab/Muslim Nazi Connection - Anti-Semitism and Holocaust These Bosnian Muslim recruits rapidly found favor with SS chief Heinrich Himmler, who established a special Mullah Military school in Dresden. ... http://www.cdn-friends-icej.ca/antiholo/arabnazi.html Islam Under the Swastika The Grand Mufti and the Nazi Protectorate of Bosnia-Hercegovina, 1941-1945 http://www.serbianna.com/columns/savich/022.shtml
18. #13 Try to think for once
Daniel ,   Israel   (04.08.06)
Al-Husseini was actively cooperating with Hitler and after the war the Arab world received nazi criminals with open arms. You claim to live in the town of Beth Lehem which is originally a Hebrew/Jewish city. Despite this Israel has left this city for you Arab occupiers and you still complain. You are the victim of your own vile racist lies and anti-Jewish hate propaganda. The whole world does not belong to the Arabs and the faster you learn that chap the better for you.
19. to one-of-them , Ramzi Sfeir ,
JEW for TRUTH ,   JerusalemISRAEL 4evR   (04.08.06)
You are so pathetic. You always try to twist truth and TRUE historical fact. Yes, palestine=geographical term meaning the Land of Israel Even in pre-Islamist times it was recorded about the hate of Arabs for Judeans/Jews and therefore they WERE part of the Roman legion that ocuppied the Land of ISrael and destroyed the Holy temple in Jerusalem. Though it should be noted that the Pseudo-pagan worship of the Allah moon deity known as Islam changed Arabs all together starting in the 622. For the first time (and ever since) Arabs left the Arabian peninsula by themselves to make war in the region , Slaughter others and parts of nations for profit and demand conversion to the sick and murderous religion of Islam (yes there are SOME of goog points taught in Islam giving of alms "tzedaka" and other things borrowed from Judaism and Chritianity). -ONLY the Iranians/Persians and the TURQS were strong enough to accept Islam and retain their native languages. ***Though there were some members which constituted the Roman legion, BEFORE Islam Arabs have no recorded history of exporting violence and occupying land outside of their native Arabian Peninsula. IF "palestians" i.e. Arabs living on Jewish Lands are really ARAbs as they say then they should go back to ARABIA. If you are Palestinians, as in the root of the Hebrew word for Philistine.first 1)Welcome back to life..because Philistine haven't existed in mellenia(thousands of years)They were mainly from the Greek islands) 2)P L SH -Means INVADER. Good choice of a propagandized word!!! invader=some one NOT indigenous to the land/area. Whether you are an Arab or a mythical "palestinian" you are an OCCUPIER and need to go back home and stop murdering the tru indigneous Jewish people of the Land of Israel. Why is it okay to ban a Jew from living on Jewish land or ban Jews from living in most Arab countries but not okay for ISrael to do the same to the Arabs happily living, enjoying freedom unknown to Arabs in Arabic Countries (though many do take advantage of the State)?? After the Arabs aqcuired Jordan(which is 77% Historical Palestine....historical Palestine=Land of Israel) ,which was given to them without Jewish permission (the REAL NATIVES) the blodthirsty propagandized Arabswant more and more. The truth is they simply want all of Israel even though at every stage Israel has tried to make PEACE with her neighbors. FACT: After the 1948-1949 ARAB war of terror, Jews were ethnically CLEANSED from Judea and Sumaaria "There is no such country [as Palestine]! 'Palestine' is a term the Zionists invented! There is no Palestine in the Bible. Our country was for centuries part of Syria." - Auni Bey Abdul-Hadi, a local Arab leader, to the Peel Commission, 1937 On March 31, 1977, Dutch newspaper Trouw published an interview with PLO executive committee member Zahir Muhsein: “The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct “Palestinian people” to oppose Zionism. For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan http://www.shoebat.com/media/fox_2005_12_mindterrorist.wmv?PHPSESSID=0f07cd6cf3f234586c5df9290d8b685c http://www.betar.co.uk/terror.php
20. The supposed might of our enemies
Jonathan Levi ,   Jerusalem Israel   (04.08.06)
Sure the Germans were all big and tough when the Jews had no guns and were not fighters back then. Not so tough are they once we start shooting back? Thats why the palestinians have to run and cry to the UN to beg for help. Better to behave like the Jews during roman conquest and go down fighting then allow our enemies to try to push us around.
21. Ramzi Sfeir #13
JEW for TRUTH ,   Jerusalem, ISrael   (04.08.06)
But they DID join forces. They just didn't get their army together in Pre-rebirth of the state of ISrael in time. Muphti and his adherents were represented in Nazi forces and he had a Palace there in Europe. He lived on STOLEN Jewish money and used it besides for decadence..to finance murders of Jews(sound familar?) and instill hatred and propaganda about Jews. GOt it? There were murders here in Israel financed and backed by EVIL Nazi-Arab groups. Arabs murder of Jews unfortunately isn't new!
22. RAMZI
JEW FOR TRUTH ,   Jerusalem,ISrael   (04.08.06)
There are plenty of arabs here in Israel with names such as Al Magrebi (northern Africa) and the Turq etc...because most of you have ONLY been occupying israel from between 1880's to 1948 to present. Others longer. But that 's why UN had to change meaning of refugee status in ISrael from a person 5 yrs living in the land to a minimum of 2 YEARS! NEW ARRIVALS-more occupiers looking for jobs from Jews.
23. one-of-them said NOTHING about a state!
Mo   (04.08.06)
All he/she said was 'its called Palestine'. Then all of you (Efi, #8, Gabrielle) jump on him/her by saying rubbish like "no state called Palestine." Well, one-of-them never said that there was a state called Palestine, why does this make you so angry anyways? lol. Anyways, just clearing things up.
24. To Jew For Truth
Joel Schaffer ,   Belleair Bluffs, Fl   (04.08.06)
More, more....we really appreciate what you have to say. Very enlightening. If you don't keep reminding people of the TRUTH they forget what we are all fighting for. Keep It Comin' PLEASE
25. 23 Mo : we did not jump but pointed out Facts you also
Gabrielle Goldwater ,   Geneva Switzerland   (04.08.06)
don't accept stop trying to Lie about facts and reality There is NO Palestine: It was only ever a region nothing more ....... Palestine has never existed . . . as an autonomous entity. There is no language known as Palestinian. There is no distinct Palestinian culture. There has never been a land known as Palestine governed by Palestinians. Palestinians are Arabs, indistinguishable from Jordanians (another recent invention), Syrians, Lebanese, Iraqis, etc. Keep in mind that the Arabs control 99.9 percent of the Middle East lands. Israel represents one-tenth of one percent of the landmass. But that's too much for the Arabs. They want it all. And that is ultimately what the fighting in Israel is about today . . . No matter how many land concessions the Israelis make, it will never be enough. It has never been the name of a nation or state. It is a geographical term, used to designate the region at those times in history when there is no nation or state there. The word itself derives from "Peleshet", a name that appears frequently in the Bible and has come into English as "Philistine". The Philistines were mediterranean people originating from Asia Minor and Greek localities. They did not speak Arabic. They had no connection, ethnic, linguistic or historical with Arabia or Arabs. The name "Falastin" that Arabs today use for "Palestine" is not an Arabic name. It is the Arab pronunciation of the Greco-Roman "Palastina"; which is derived from the Peleshet, (root Pelesh) which was a general term meaning "dividers", "penetrators" or "invaders". The use of the term "Palestinian" for an Arab ethnic group is a modern political creation which has no basis in fact - and had never had any international or academic credibility before 1967.
26. Those who forget the past......
D. Roberts ,   South Wales, UK   (04.08.06)
The following is a direct quotation from a general public circular of the Arab High Committee (the effective Palestinian-Arab `government' in 1948), made just three years after the Holocaust, when Jews were still fleeing Europe for refuge in their reborn homeland;- "The ARABS have taken into their OWN hands, the FINAL SOLUTION of the Jewish problem. The problem will be solved only in blood and fire. The Jews will be driven out." The following is also a direct quotation from a public declaration made during 1948 of Jamal Al-Hussein, the Vice-president of thesame Arab High Committee;- "We are sadly and PERMANENTLY determined to fight to the last man against the existence in our country of ANY Jewish state, no matter how small it is..." Statements such as these were echoed, not only by the regime seeking the Jewish Holocaust as outlined in this article, but also find their place in declarations made from Arafat to Hamas in the present day. Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it.
27. ramzi and gabriel
lulu ,   beit lahem   (04.08.06)
ramzi you write something in history and logic ,,,but gaby knows history geograghy sychatry religion evry thing but not logic this is a fact read books see websites educate yourselfe so you will not be brain washe good advice from a WOMAN
28. Ramzi! Where are your answers to all these people?Tell us!
Alan ,   SA   (04.08.06)
29. EU HYPOCRITES Legalize MURDER of JEWS?
Linda Rivera ,   New York   (04.08.06)
Haj Amin, Jerusalem's Muslim religious leader, travelled to Europe and spent the war years helping Hitler murder Europe's Jews. Europeans deported Jews from European countries over 80 times. European ethnic Jew-cleansing addicts, along with the U.S. are leading the charge for present-day Jew deportation. http://www.ipc.gov.ps/ipc_new/english/details.asp?name=11588 GAZA, Palestine, November 6, 2005 (IPC + Agencies) - - The President of the European Union's Development Committee, Luisa Morgantini, declared that the EU has laid a plan with a budget of several millions of dollars to support several aspects of development in the Gaza Strip... She continued that occupied nations have the right to defend themselves using legitimate means of armed resistance in accordance with the Fourth Geneva Convention." 65 years ago, it was unacceptable for Jews to live in Europe. In our present day, the EU legitimizes the maiming and murder of Jews for living in their Jewish homeland. In 1948, Egypt invaded Gaza and ethnically cleansed ALL Jews. In 1948, Jordan invaded Judea, Samaria and east Jerusalem and ETHNICALLY CLEANSED ALL JEWS. In 1967 when Israel won Islam's religious war of aggression against it, Jews returned to the areas of their homeland they had been ethnically cleansed from for 19 years. Islamofascists and their powerful allies DECEITFULLY call this return "occupation". Under international law, territories are considered "occupied" only when taken in an act of aggression which does not apply to Israel. Judea, Samaria and Gaza are not 'occupied territories' according to international law because they were not taken from any foreign sovereign. There NEVER was an Arab country of Palestine. The hands of the EU are bloody.
30. 27 lulu ,beit lahem: You are missing reality
Gabrielle Goldwater ,   Geneva Switzerland   (04.08.06)
as a Holocaust survivor and working for over 40 years for Israel and the Diaspora with many conferences and Radio - etc. I see that you don't follow logic - Logic can only be applied, esp. with many who are anti-Israel etc. , when facts are first installed It is mainly Life that teaches facts backed up with information - may be you have not had that by the way - stick my name Gabrielle Goldwater into the google it's Gabrielle - with 2 LL's - 1 L is male - and Gaby isn't my name either Shalom
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