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UK official seeks trial for IDF officers
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Published: 11.04.06, 12:58
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31. nothing new here
Fares ,   cleveland   (04.11.06)
3 years ago ,it was a brit civilians .. yesterday ,it was a 12 year old girl .. palestinians do not pay attention to all those theatrical moves (extradition ) and name calling (war crimes ) ..they make justice with their own hand . killing a brit civilian photographer was a war crime . killing our kids by an organized army who shoot with a sniper is a crime . teaching those criminals a lesson is NOT a crime .
32. The world is still reeling from the British crimes
Her Majesty ,   should be on trial   (04.11.06)
against humanity and artificial border demarcations.
33. 30 Larry ,Eastbourne: You got that right
Gabrielle Goldwater ,   Geneva Switzerland   (04.11.06)
Here are valuable links to ISM Info: and Their agenda The International Solidarity Movement & its friends [in USA collecting funds] http://goldwater.mideastreality.com/2005/oct/30_01.html ISM and Arabs "Peace Protesters".... in pictures http://goldwater.mideastreality.com/2004/jun/24_01.html Frontpage's Most Wanted:...ISM activist speaking at a Hamas rally held http://goldwater.mideastreality.com/2005/sep/30_12.html Solidarity With Terror... International Solidarity Movement (ISM), and Al-Awda http://goldwater.mideastreality.com/2004/jul/02_11.html ISM Violence and Hooliganism Growing...by Steven Plaut http://goldwater.mideastreality.com/2005/jun/05_04.html
34. Brits should be on trial for illegal creation of Jordan
Gil ,   Tel Aviv   (04.11.06)
35. It's odd that....
Shai ,   Israel   (04.11.06)
when Jews die in bus bombings initiated by Palestinians, we are called "sacrifices for peace" and nobody in England or elsewhere calls for a war crimes trial. I think it's clear that this isn't about war crimes. It's about politics, pure and simple. The amoral confused anarchists and leftists in England and elsewhere believe that Jews, whether civilian or not, deserve to die under all circumstances. Palestinians may not be either directy or indirectly attacked, even in the process of Jews defending themselves. We'll agree to disagree, and I think we should start a trial against the British police who killed that guy in the subway because they thought he was a terrorist (he wasn't) and for all the British soldiers who killed Iraqis.
36. Too Bad On Hurndall - He Should Have Not Interfered In A war
Adina kutnicki ,   US   (04.11.06)
This is an outrage. The soldier was protecting the people he serves, and this 'peace' activist had NO business in a war zone. The Brits should go after their own 'war criminals'. They have done enough damage insinuating themselves into Israeli affairs. This soldier should give them the proverbial finger.
37. He knew the RISKS --
Chai ,   Israel   (04.11.06)
journalists alike know the risks they take going into a war zone .. and we are at war .. I am sorry for their loss but this is just the way it is ..
38. # 1 For what? Blowing up the king David Hotel ??
Winston ,   London   (04.11.06)
39. # 30 peace activist
(04.11.06)
How about a true peace activist would be trying to persuade Israel to end its occupation and respect 65 U N resolutions , for a change
40. British hypocrisy does not justify IDF murder
Richard ,   New York, USA   (04.11.06)
We can't make excuses for the incorrect actions of our soldiers. There must be discipline in the ranks, and respect for human life. And only in the case where the life of the soldier is being threatened, is the person required to use their weapon. Now here is a case where Sergeant Taysir Hayb's life was not in danger, and he opens fire on an unarmed photographer and kills him. We can hardly call that self-defense or even a crime of passion. And the fact that the photographer was shot in the head indicates intent to kill. The Sergeant then goes on to cover up the murder by giving false information. Now is that the actions of a professional soldier? I think not. If the IDF has nothing to hide, they should not be in the business of shooting down unarmed journalists and photographers, and thinking that they are doing G-d's work. Soldiers who commit murder should not be shielded by the IDF from prosecution.
41. 40 Richard ,New York, It looks you did not follow the
Gabrielle Goldwater ,   Geneva Switzerland   (04.12.06)
cases in details. The background and why these poeple go into war zones - which is Illegal to start with For example what you call photographer was a Film Maker Reality of this case: Miller - should have known better than to broadcast/Film in a war zone on his own risk - again not legally. .....Miller was filming Israeli troops during an operation at 11pm (night) when he was shot walking out with a torch shining on a white flag, planning to tell the soldiers that he and his team were heading home...... [ ????] absurdity rules again - ignoring combat zone - by that rule - any and all journalists and film makers killed in combat region like Iraq - Afghanistan - by British and American troops are also murder ? Will the American and British troops be equally indicted ? Phyllis Chesler, a psychologist and author of “The New Anti-Semitism: The Current Crisis and What We Must Do About it,” has criticized the [The Miller] documentary as biased and another piece of anti-Israel propaganda. “My fear is that when you have distinguished people signing on to a one-sided view, and perhaps believing it themselves … civilization is in deep trouble,” said Ms. Chesler. Read her entire article [ Aug 10, 2004 ] @ http://www.phyllis-chesler.com/interview-newyorksun.htm Had >Miller any intentions to also make Documentaries covering the ordeal and daily life of Israeli children ? NO Miller had a set Agenda. In a region considered dangerous and risky The enormous scandalous Bias in this and other trial in the UK - is the typical anti- Israel propaganda - or typical agenda. Death of any person is a major tragedy - but to misuse a deliberate propaganda, shames the British justice. They want to see not justice but an anti-Israeli revenge-agenda - a big difference. No witness heard - but direct condemnations It is ruled by Hate not justice. Now Ton Hurndall Case: Again being intentionally Illegally in a war zone coming for the ISM - with intentions to activate against IDF in a war zone: This is the reality about ISM and it's intentions when sending their members to Israel: The International Solidarity Movement & its friends [in USA collecting funds] http://goldwater.mideastreality.com/2005/oct/30_01.html ISM and Arabs "Peace Protesters".... in pictures http://goldwater.mideastreality.com/2004/jun/24_01.html Frontpage's Most Wanted:...ISM activist speaking at a Hamas rally held http://goldwater.mideastreality.com/2005/sep/30_12.html Solidarity With Terror... International Solidarity Movement (ISM), and Al-Awda http://goldwater.mideastreality.com/2004/jul/02_11.html ISM Violence and Hooliganism Growing...by Steven Plaut http://goldwater.mideastreality.com/2005/jun/05_04.html You have to look at the set illegal agenda - private people despite warning to not move in illegal military war zones - activist still ignore laws
42. British HYPOCRITES IGNORE WAR CRIMES of PLO/PA, Hamas, et al
Linda Rivera ,   New York   (04.12.06)
The so-called peace activists help the terrorists. Palestinian Authority Minister Mohammed Dahlan was in charge of coordinating the withdrawal with Israel-terror master who is responsible for the bomb attack on the Israeli school bus in November 2000 in which two school teachers were killed and three children from the Cohen family lost their legs. The Palestinian Authority hailed as heroes the savage murderers of defenseless 8 months pregnant Jewish Gaza mother, Tali Hatuel, and four little daughters in Gush Katif in May 2004. The Palestinian Authority teach through their mosques, media, summer camps and public education system that murdering Jews is a religious obligation.
43. What a crock
Mike ,   Canada   (04.12.06)
THe guy went to Iraq to be a human Shield. The to Gaza to be a human Shield....idiot shieds get shot. If you want to help the arabs tell them to stop killing innocent people so we have no reason to kill them. What a world we live in.
44. Richard .. Thats just plain B*** S**T
Chai ,   Israel   (04.12.06)
You weren't there, and I feel you know nothing of how these ISM people operate ... and how the arabs use them as shields.. he was brought in front of Israeli Military Tribunal and that is ENOUGH. I feel badly for his parents but he certainly understood the risks of being in a war zone.
45. He took the risks of an ISM war correspondant, he won't be
Bunnie Meyer ,   Santa Monica, CA   (04.12.06)
missed by anyone except those that love terrorism.
46. #41 Ok Gabrielle, you brought out some
Richard ,   New York, USA   (04.12.06)
good points. If Hundall was in an area of military conflict, then he obviously took a risk. But there was no conflict at the time. And the fact that Sargeant Taysir Hayb was indicted for manslaughter and sentenced to seven years imprison, just says that he was not totally innocent. And if the Sargeant was just following orders, then the commanding officers need to be indicted as well. In a democracy, people have the right to disagree with the political views of a country without being shot down. And Israel is not so perfect that it can't take criticism. I know because I've been there many times.
47. 46 Richard: You need to face the Facts not just some But ALL
Gabrielle Goldwater ,   Geneva Switzerland   (04.12.06)
going after IDF in a war zone - it is each time a war zone when the ISM comes and acts as what they call shields for peace Sargeant Taysir Hayb was under British pressure directly in the Israeli court accused. He was made a scapegoat. Read this: CRISIS:ISRAEL - THE CASE AGAINST TOM HURNDALL'S ADVOCATESTHE CASE AGAINST TOM HURNDALL'S ADVOCATES ... Now it turns out that the real killer of Tom Hurndall was not the Bedouin soldier at all but rather . ... http://www.crisisisrael.com/display_commentary.php?cid=353 Hundall was directly in a war zone: He was making his way to an area where the IDF was operating to uncover tunnels used to convey arms and ammunition from Egypt. Hurndall deliberately put himself in the area of known military operations, and took a bullet intended for a terrorist. Hurndall must have been aware of the risks inherent in his activity in Rafah. In one diary entry he wrote: "A few hundred meters away there are army snipers, and each one of us can appear in a sniper's telescopic sight. It is possible to say with certainty that they are watching us, and my life is in the hands of an Israeli marksman or settler. I know that I will probably never know what hit me, but that is part of my role – to be as exposed as possible." In Hurndall's case the resources and prominence of his family enabled them to hire a high-profile British attorney to realize their efforts to prosecute an Israeli soldier for the death of their son. They chose Imran Khan, a controversial high-powered lawyer who tried to prevent then chief of staff Shaul Mofaz entering Britain for an official visit in 2002 because of "war crimes." Khan and the Hurndalls ran an effective public campaign that led to British pressure on Israel to finger an Israeli soldier for the unfortunate death of young Tom. Richard read this entire article at: http://www.betar.co.uk/articles/betar1088681788.php Also read: Israeli soldier found guilty in the killing of Tom Hurndall http://www.wsws.org/articles/2005/jul2005/isra-j09.shtml Now Israel takes more direct steps against the ISM - and whenever possible the ISM members get arrested for trying to enter Israel But They will try anything - I did post the ISM reality to your before So read facts - and think
48. #47 What are the facts? Yours or mine?
Richard ,   New York, USA   (04.12.06)
What is a war zone? An area where Arabs live? The same way the Israeli police removed the settlers in Amona, they could have very easily done the same for the ISM demonstators. Certainly in a democracy, killing unarmed people for their political beliefs cannot be justified. I read the information on those biased websites, and it sounds like they are making all types of excuses to justify IDF murder, and clear Sargeant Taysir Hayb of responsibility. Those aren't the facts that I can believe in.
49. 48 Richard: You ignore Facts as usual
Gabrielle Goldwater ,   Geneva Switzerland   (04.12.06)
If you don't know what a war zone is - then move into one Very foolish answer of yours to say - Arabs live there Yes - and Americans have same war zones in Iraq - but visitors and human shields - Foreigners are entering illegally such war zones My family also lived in war zones - Berlin - Americans moved in and Russian etc. - but there were no foreign visitors allowed - they would have been idiotic The zones are openly designated by the Israeli Government . They are opnely designated - and you would need IDF permission - which is refused. It shows openly that YOU and others that got killed had no right to move in those zones. They are clearly designated as such Go and visit them and try to infiltrate them You would be rightfully forcefully removed ....... and resisting removal - try that one It is obvious by you ignoring ISM and other so called peace activists - such as the same that went to Iraq and ended up via Jordan - Allenby Bridge inIsrael Many cross into Israel intentional illegally As this ISM member did Now if you don't want to understand and You support ISM - then you support groups that openly support terrorism You obviously ignored who is ISM. Study facts - this is the last time I will point it out: The International Solidarity Movement & its friends [in USA collecting funds] http://goldwater.mideastreality.com/2005/oct/30_01.html ISM and Arabs "Peace Protesters".... in pictures http://goldwater.mideastreality.com/2004/jun/24_01.html Frontpage's Most Wanted:...ISM activist speaking at a Hamas rally held http://goldwater.mideastreality.com/2005/sep/30_12.html Solidarity With Terror... International Solidarity Movement (ISM), and Al-Awda http://goldwater.mideastreality.com/2004/jul/02_11.html ISM Violence and Hooliganism Growing...by Steven Plaut http://goldwater.mideastreality.com/2005/jun/05_04.html
50. 48. Richard - Typical because you don't like facts so for
Gabrielle Goldwater ,   Geneva Switzerland   (04.12.06)
you they are biased Look - the person that is biased by now Is YOU
51. Richard US: if you don't know a war zone Step into one
Gabrielle Goldwater ,   Geneva Switzerland   (04.12.06)
find out I suggest you go to Iraq
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