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'Housewitz' director gets 40 hours labor
EJP and AP
Published: 24.05.06, 18:06
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1. So sad...
DR ,   Florida, USA   (05.24.06)
Young people in Europe are already starting to forget what happened in WW2. We see an increase in Neo-nazis, skin heads etc. It is Europe's resposibility to keep reminding newer generations of what their own families did to the Jews or else they'll forget. Even the British Royal family is forgetting.
2. as long as he goes to jail...
rivka   (05.24.06)
3. Poor taste - but no jail time - like the cartoon thing
andrew ,   miami,fl   (05.24.06)
tehre shouldnt be jail time for stupuidity - and poor taste... remember - "Who's Next" is a common holocaust theme that has transcended the times...and "whos next" will be the rallying cry of those who's freedom is taken away for a "crime" like this just throw eggs at him or do donuts on his lawn, even spit on him (a nice thick green one) but jail time..no..its a slippery slope
4. OK...and...
Spinner ,   World   (05.24.06)
So because this guy made a very very very bad joke/video...he deserves to go to prison? WTF how can this be? He should be made to go to class or community service!!! Having bad taste and having to go to prison for it...Israeli's then should be prepared to do the same for all the bad taste they use against the Arab people. Since they did kill so many and continue to do so today. 4 more by the IDF... Being sensitive and being over the top about all this is getting out of hand. It's like this is all the Jews have to put guilt (their favorite source of torture) on the world. Don't get me wrong Jews are great! But they need to work on not doing to other that others have done to them!!! If you look at the Mosque's in Safed/Zefat. The Jews took them and made them in to night club/discos!!! If this happened to a synagog then oh boy the world would have to come to an end since they "are the god's chosen people". NOT!! We all are!!!! Anyway tell the Dutch guy to use more tact next time he makes a video, do some community service, and be more sensitive. And NEXT time let's not wait a year to find out about something like this since "The clip, which was widely circulated on the Internet last year". Live life and love thy fellow human like he is your family.
5. #4 Read again before you go on crying over "Senstive Jews"
Caligula's Horse ,   Solomon's stables   (05.24.06)
6. repulsive
dc   (05.24.06)
this repulsive use of the holocaust is almost as bad as the cynical zionist use. You zionists despise those who died at Auschwitz as "weak" or inferior to your "pure israeli" blood...yet you (who are mostly idiot americans anyway) have the cheek to bring the death camps up to serve your own politics.
7. to #3 and 4
female ,   TA   (05.24.06)
He doesn't go to jail but needs to do 40 hrs of community service....can't you guys read? I'm Dutch myself and 40 hrs of community service is realy a joke...to clean the park or something like that...they should have sent him to Auschwitz for a month and tour it every day with holocoust survivors....and let him teach youngsters in school about the WW2....for a year.
8. only jews are aloud to misuse the memory of the holocaust
(05.24.06)
9. No words!
Gerd ,   Germany   (05.24.06)
10. Such a talented young artist
Kyle ,   Southpark, CO, USA   (05.24.06)
He can use his talents to make a "rave dance video" featuring Muslims. I would watch it.
11. #7
Spinner ,   World   (05.24.06)
Well I can read...see I read your talkback. YNET updates their story and changes the column. It said at the end of paragraph one the he could get one year prison sentence or community service. It would be great if they made him study WWII and teach other youngsters about it. The video is EXTREMELY WRONG!!! But he does not need to go to prison. (You can see the video on www.ynet.co.il) But be prepared it is very poor in taste. Thanks!!
12. To #6
jason white ,   afula,israel   (05.25.06)
We still mourn the victims of the Holocaust.They are of our blood. The people of Israel come from just about every country on the face of the earth. And do not call Americans "idiots".You slime ball,you are probably one of those subhumans who are jealous of Americans and Israelis. What the hell are you?Where are you from? Or are you too embarassed to tell us?
13. #6
Navi   (05.25.06)
Don't you dare presume to know the zionist mindset. My grandparents are Holocaust survivors and I am a proud zionist. The victims of the Holocaust suffered unspeakable horrors. As zionists we don't consider ourselves superior at all, we simply take it on our shoulders never to let it happen again. We are not using the memory of the Holocaust to serve our politics. It is a justified argument that Israel is of extreme importance to Jews worldwide and that Israel plays a major role in preventing future horrors.
14. Yair Lapid article
HS ,   Michigan, USA   (05.25.06)
Do not be little the facts, approx. 1.1 million Jews were exterminated at Auschwitz-Birkenau, then if you include the others that the Nazis thought of as undesireable, the total number of people that were exterminated at Auschwitz-Birkenau was closer to 3 million.
15. To Nos. 3 & 4
Joan ,   Haifa   (05.25.06)
The article states very clearly that his sentence *is* community service -- not prison. Perhaps you just read the headline?
16. HS's fabrication about Auschwitz
Kate ,   London   (05.25.06)
"Do not be little the facts... if you include the others that the Nazis thought of as undesireable, the total number of people that were exterminated at Auschwitz-Birkenau was closer to 3 million. " That quite simply is a total fabrication. At least 90% of those murdered in Auschwitz were Jews.
17. To #16
HS ,   Michigan,USA   (05.25.06)
Before you contest a fact, maybe a little research would aid you. It is correct that approx. 1.1million Jews were murdered at Auschwitz -Birkenau, but we can not forget the Poles, Gypsies,Romas and others that were murdered. My point is that Lapid mentions "1.1 million people were killed by the Nazis in Auschwitz-Birkenau", not that 1.1 million Jews were exterminated along with the other, therefore his total is lower than our records show.
18. #6 & #13
dc ,   ENGLAND, UK   (05.25.06)
#6 Americans ARE idiots (as are you), and there is no such thing as a "sub-human" (nor would anyone ever be jealous of America or Israel unless very desperate #13 You assume I didn't have relatives in death camps (wrong). And I am a 'zionist' (just not a racist) I'm not critising the use of holocaust to support Israel...but in the support of a sort of pseudo-zionist racism where non-"israeli" jews are considered inferior or part of some "shameful" past (like that idiot israeli author whose name I can't be bothered remembering or the total hatred for yiddish). So the problem is not the use of the holocaust but Israeli "super race" eugenics nonsense Hey, I'm sure israelists would agree with 'the eternal jew' propaganda film which is very similar to their view of non-"israel"i jews.
19. #18
Navi   (05.25.06)
It's a shame that you buy into the anti-israeli crap that claims that zionism is a form of racism. Zionism is nothing more than the desire to have a Jewish homeland in the land of Israel. I think the Israeli "super race" rhetoric that you're talking about is much less widespread than you seem to think, and you should avoid associating zionism with a few jew-hating racists. There are enough people in the world that try and twist the word zionist to mean something negative, we don't need to start bashing zionism amongst ourselves.
20. More nonsense from HS
Kate ,   London   (05.25.06)
HS originally wrote: "the total number of people that were exterminated at Auschwitz-Birkenau was closer to 3 million" Simply put, this is totally untrue. Approximately 1.1-1.6 million people were murdered at Auschwitz (Auschwitz I, Auschwitz II - Birkenau, and Auschwitz III). Probably the number is closer to 1.1 million. The vast majority of the people killed in Auschwitz were Jews. Two other things should be remembered. Firstly, Jews and only Jews were marked out for total destruction (virtually everyone gassed at Auschwitz was Jewish). Secondly, the Germans could never have achieved what they did without the almost total collaboration of occupied Europe. No nation was more guilty of direct and indirect collaboration than Poland, a virulently anti-Semitic nation which had even introduced hundreds of anti-Semitic measures in the mid-1930s years before she was invaded. The pogroms the Polish people engaged in both before and after the war are so well known as to not be worth recounting. The Poles may have been victims of the Nazis, but they were also perpetrators.
21. Some reminders for dc from England
Kate ,   London   (05.25.06)
"Americans ARE idiots (as are you), and there is no such thing as a "sub-human" (nor would anyone ever be jealous of America or Israel unless very desperate" (An initial aside: In your eyes there ir no such thing as a "sub-human" unless of course they are American or Israeli) Do I really have to remind you that Britain's health service is falling apart, her education system is a joke, her transport system is stuck in the dark ages, her military is third-rate, her political class is utterly corrupt, and her economy is built on a property bubble? In addition, nothing in the UK is more popular than American junk food, American TV and movies, American music, American stars, and American foreign holidays. And one only has to look at the world of difference between universities in the UK and the US to realise that the former is today a third-world nation and the latter the world's greatest and most envied power.
22. to # 18
jason white ,   afula,israel   (05.26.06)
Oh no.The whole world is jealous of limeyland.You cretin you come from a primitive country that has a blood thirsty history. The are 12-15 million illegal immigrants in the U.S. who do you have in england six pakis that got lost on the way to the States? So for one author you think we do not care about our brothers and sisters who died in the Holocaust? We here in Israel are not a super race,but you are a super putz!
23. to18
pilpelet   (05.25.06)
you say your not racist .........you are, you dont know all the isralies politics but you claim we are all the same , and if you did have family die in the holacust which i dout you should know if thay had a country of there own to live in thay more than likley be a live to day..................i hope you dont fear for your life,because of what you belive in, or your religion, and by the way the brits have stolen more land than any other country i know .....rule britania.........think about it.
24. Response To 20
HS ,   MIchigan USA   (05.26.06)
"More Nonsense" ? Do you proofread before you type? How many people were exterminated during the Holocaust? not just Jews, but how many people were murdered? Was Auschwitz strictly a Jewish camp? No doubt that the Jews were the only group marked for total destruction, but approx. 11 million people were murdered during the Holocaust, how can you disregard the 5 million non Jews. The holocaust was a crime against man, not just the Jewish man.
25. #24, Holocaust, etc.
Alex   (05.27.06)
HS, you wrote "how many people were exterminated during the Holocuast? Not just Jews..." Perhaps you should look up the definition of "Holocaust" in this context. The term refers almost exclusively to Jews. Jews were the largest single group to be targeted and the most intensely targeted. When people attempt to remove emphasis from the Shoah as being a crime against Jews primarily, which it was, it is a disgrace. When people try to group in non-civilian causalties as the "Holocaust" they are making a grave error as well. In post #14, you also claimed that Jews were only 1.1 million of some 3 million exterminated in Auschwitz. What Kate stated is more accurate. In fact, the statistics she gave are exactly the ones listed on the official Auschwitz Museum website. It states 1.1 - 1.6 million, 90% of whom were Jews. See the statistics here, http://www.auschwitz-muzeum.oswiecim.pl
26. Dutch humor
Bart ,   Germany   (05.30.06)
It should be told that the dutch have a very extreme form of humor, which might be very offensive to the rest of the world. I'm sure the guy who made the movie didn't do it to spread anti-jewish propaganda, nor was he aware of the outrage it would cause. A dumb stupid act. I think 40 hours of social service is a very mild punishment, in Germany he probably would've gotten at least 3 years of inprisonment. Still, although it's a very sick joke, I hope people see that he didn't mean any harm and that people will think about TOLERANCE. In most comments here the main reaction is HATE and ANGER! I hope all people who read this will start being tolerant from now on. If you want to heal the world, start healing yourself. After that, learn to RESPECT eachother. Only then people will find peace and freedom. Spreading hate and anger is not good, it will always cause a chain-reaction, like we see here.
27. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills...
CJ Tarsney ,   United States   (04.20.08)
People actually *approve* of the criminalization of Housewitz and things like it??? It always shocks/amuses me how people (who have apparently had several key brain lobes removed) are perfectly comfortable with the idea that the limits of free speech rights ought to be defined by their own tender sensibilities and those of their immediate social community. If anyone posting on this site thinks, for instance, that the Danish cartoonists who drew Mohammad with a bomb on his head should have been prosecuted, then fine, your position is merely stupid and not hypocritical as well, but I'm guessing the majority of you are fine with speech that offends people so long as it's people other than you and you think their reasons for being offended are as good as yours. Whether the punishment you think the guy should get is jail or community service or a one cent fine, it's still criminalization and it's still indefensible. The alternative, which I know is pretty strange and alien, is for people to actually have a RIGHT to free speech as opposed to a discretionary privilege that's contingent on whether or not you think he's being a big ol' meany. Crazy, I know...I mean, you'd still have the option of not viewing stuff that offended you, but how could you live knowing that other people who aren't offended by it are able to view it at will? Like, I hate Madonna so much that whenever she's doing a concert anywhere in the world, all I can do is sit huddled under my bed and whimper softly. It's past time we banned her music. Also, I don't suppose any of the people defending the Dutch government have actually seen the video? It's clearly not anti-Jewish at all. It's satirizing ads for house parties by juxtaposition with Auschwitz, not the other way around. It's funny because the juxtaposition is ridiculous. In other words, the guy making the video clearly thinks the Holocaust is a bad thing. If it were House-markand, worked by DJ's Genghis and Kublai Khan and themed around the mass murder of the population of Samarkand, no one would be stupid enough to mix up the direction of parody, but there's a certain segment of people who figure that anything humorous involving the Holocaust must be taking the Holocaust itself as the *object* of humor (which I suppose is a perfectly reasonable assumption to make, provided you have the intelligence of a block of cement). I have plenty of Jewish friends in the non-cement category who have seen the video and think it's funny. But that's all by the by, anyway.
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