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Kissinger sought 'small friendly' Israel
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Published: 27.05.06, 22:04
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1. Ongoing Conspiracy Against Israel
Marcel ,   Florida   (05.27.06)
Every great empire has had it's day of reckoning. The arrogant and meddlesome U.S. will have it's day of retribution .Israel better not lean too closely on this rotted stick. Pslam 83 speaks of the behind the scene plans devised against Israel and the Jews. For behold, Your enemies make an uproar, And those who hate You have exalted themselves. They make shrewd plans against Your people, And conspire together against Your treasured ones. They have said, "Come, and let us wipe them out as a nation, That the name of Israel be remembered no more." For they have conspired together with one mind; Against You they make a covenant: Who said, "Let us possess for ourselves The pastures of God." Psa 83:13 O my God, make them like the whirling dust, Like chaff before the wind. Psa 83:14 Like fire that burns the forest And like a flame that sets the mountains on fire, Psa 83:15 So pursue them with Your tempest And terrify them with Your storm. Psa 83:16 Fill their faces with dishonor, That they may seek Your name, O LORD. Psa 83:17 Let them be ashamed and dismayed forever, And let them be humiliated and perish, Psa 83:18 That they may know that You alone, whose name is the LORD, Are the Most High over all the earth.
2. Playing both sides.
Josh ,   Atlanta   (05.28.06)
The US has sat on the fence on the Israel-Arab issue for a while now. The US cannot ignore that Israel is our best ally in the Middle East, and yet at the same time, the realization that OPEC dominates the global oil market and OPEC is itself dominated by Saudi Arabia has pressured US policy makers to maintain crucial economic alliances with the Persian Gulf monarchies. Therefore in order to appease these royal families, American politicians attempt to portray themselves as "honest brokers" not favoring either side, but just wanting to help iron out a treaty for peace. Nothing could be further from the truth. The fact is that we Americans (the sane ones) want Israel to do what ever they need to do in order to achieve peace for themselves completely unilaterally. Unfortunately most of these same Americans (not me) want to continue to say whatever it is they have to say and sign whatever document they have to sign, and even shake hands with a human devil like Yasser Arafat, all to make the oil sheiks happy so that we don't have to grow dependent on Russian natural resources, which could put us at a potential strategic disadvantage. I understand why the US does this, but I think it's an absolute shame. I think we should support Israel completely and unequivocally. If OPEC doesn't want to sell us oil, fine, we'll just buy it from a middle man somewhere else. The Persian Gulf countries have to sell oil, it's just about the only thing that keeps their economies strong. I say we call the big bluff. What are they going to do, quit exporting oil completely? Just how long could they possibly keep that up? Not very long. Again, even if they quit selling to us altogether, we can always buy it from a truly neutral middle man or try to buy more from other countries like Russia, it wouldn't put us at that much of a disadvantage, after all, Russia needs money too.
3. Kissinger & His Perfidy Is Very Well Known
Adina kutnicki ,   US   (05.28.06)
'The Secret War Against The Jews' by John Loftus details from lurid archival documents the perfidy of world leaders against Israel since before WW1. It should be noted that so called Jewish leaders like Kissinger were often as vile to Israel as their gentile counterparts. One has learned to expect that the likes of Dulles and more recently James Baker would do anything to destroy Israel. However, it is often a shock when people of Jewish extraction seek the same destruction of our homeland. History will judge this perfidy and treachery. In the meanwhile don't be fooled by the self appointed 'elite'. They too go to the toilet the same as the rest of us. The difference is that they can wreck murder and mayhem on many innocent people. Exposing them sooner rather than later is the goal. Never stay silent in the face of evil.
4. A very important data point
Mike ,   Atlanta, USA   (05.28.06)
To all those who speak of AIPAC and its influence, please add this report to your appendix. Even one the most powerful Jews in the world, in the Executive office of the United States, sought to LIMIT Israel. So give the AIPAC-Jewish conspiracy line a rest. Even when Jews do influence Washington decisions, they -do so to Israel's disadvantage.
5. THE SECRET WAR AGAINST THE JEWS
HaDaR ,   Turin, Italy   (05.28.06)
THE SECRET WAR AGAINST THE JEWS - by John Loftus and Mark Aarons - a MUST READ book! - gives you an idea of how far in the past the problem goes in the State Department especially... ARAB OIL is ONE of the reasons
6. kissinger the "Jewish" anti-semite!
jason white ,   afula,israel   (05.28.06)
This creep made more errors than he was right.Why did you forget to mention about all the private consultation he did for the fascist regimes of so.america? How many Israeli and American soldiers died for nothing?Fifty four thousand Americans died in Vietnam and he let it go communist. Almost three thousand israeli dead.He told golda do not strike first and the world will be on your side. The sec.of state and the dept.of state are the two biggest enemies of the U.S. and Israel for decades.
7. G-D does NOT ALLOW A SMALLER ISRAEL!
Linda Rivera ,   New York   (05.28.06)
Read Marcel's Comment #1 - Psalm 83 G-D does NOT ALLOW ISRAEL'S BORDERS to be MOVED! Who on this earth will place themselves in a higher authority than the Ruler of the Universe? Bible, Deuteronomy 19:14: "You shall not move your neighbor's boundary mark, which the ancestors have set, in your inheritance which you will inherit in the land that the L-RD your G-d gives you to possess.
8. This crap does not matter
Brod ,   USA   (05.28.06)
The security and existence of Israel is the sole business and responsibility of the Jewish people. No other country or entity or people should meddle with Israel internal affairs and what size Israel should be. Already Israel is a small speck of land compared to the vast landscape of the Middle East which the Arab Islamist-Jihadists are occupying. God gave the land of Israel to the Jewish people 4000 years ago through their forefathers Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Despite the challenges they faced over the millennia, the Jewish people have remained loyal to their historic and biblical land of Israel. And since 1948, they had fought and won every war of annihilation that the surrounding Arab Islamist-Jihadist states had launched against them. The Arab Islamist-Jihadist nations should understand that they had launched the wars of annihilation against Israel--the Jewish State. And they lost. They cannot expect Israel to give them back anything that they lost in wars especially if it pertains to the historic and biblical Land of Israel. In fact, Israel does not owe the Arab Islamist-Jihadists anything. The state of Israel is the historic and biblical land of the Jewish people. Whereas, the Arab Islamist-Jihadists are the squatters or occupiers of Jewish land. Originally, the Arab-Islamist-Jihadists came from Southeastern Arabia around 700 AD. Back in the Dark Ages, they even occupied Spain and part of Southern and Eastern Europe. However, the Europeans fought back and regained their countries from the Arab Islamist invaders/occupiers. Similarly, the Jewish people fought and regained their historic and biblical Land of Israel from the Arab Islamist invaders/occupiers. It is time the Arab Islamist-Jihadists come to their senses and accept reality, that is, the historic and biblical Land of Israel belongs to the Jewish people. Should the Arab Islamist-Jihadists think that they can annihilate Israel and hope that Iran can spearhead the next war of annihilation against Israel, they better think twice. The outcome of such a war will be far worst for them than all the previous wars of annihilation that they had launched against Israel. As God was with David in his battle against Goliath, God will still be with Israel in whatever battle she will have against her enemies.
9. to marcel
Muslim ,   USA   (05.28.06)
it is nice to be religious but remember that judaism came for a certain time and for certain people . you were asked to follow jesus ...then Muhammed .. your torat is a holy book,and your religion is true and valid but according to our teaching ..they are not eternal. other messages came afterward . i hope you know what i mean .
10. Kissinger was a disaster
sk ,   USA   (05.28.06)
Memories of Carter and his clowinish Secretary of State Cyrus Vance should not obscure the abyssmal performance of Nixon, with his counterproductive "detente," arms limitation treaties, and the greatest foreign policy disaster of the post-War years: Vietnam. Kissinger, Nixon's supposed tool, was easily outsmarted by the Communist Vietnamese, by Brezhnev (USSR), and by the Europeans. I expected no intergrity from this villian and am surprised not by his amorality but by his stupidity. In fairness, though, at least the US doesn't expel its citizens from half the country.
11. This is why we all called Kissinger Uncle Moishe
DWOLF ,   San Jose CA US   (05.28.06)
Kissinger told Meir that he was an American first, Secretary of State second and a Jew third. Meir told him that that was ok because Hebrew is written right to left. He was dyslexic and many self hating Jews are.
12. With Jewish friends like Kissinger who needs the enemies?
Roger ,   USA   (05.28.06)
13. Shame and dishonour
Marcel Abel ,   Thoiry, France   (05.28.06)
You are both right, Marcel (USA) and Josh (Atlanta). 1) An ally who is standing back from another ally, I call this a treason. I hope I am wrong but the USA seem to come closer to Mammon. 2) Never mind. Israel's best ally is the Great and Unique God. And all people loving Israel are natural allies of this "small", great, marvellous country. 3) My country - France - should be one of the most loyal towards Israel : has France payed her debt to Israel ? 4) My country is there where peace and love will prevail. Germany and France and others were full of patriots. We all saw where it came. 5) And now we should give our life for Israel being once more so terribly threatened by lions and serpents. 6) My friends, my dear friends in Israel and in the world, I am alone, weak, but very strong in God' s hand; if all "I"s were brought together, they would form a huge legion to help you through awful times. « The righteousness of Thy testimonies is everlasting : give (us) understanding, and (we) shall live. » Psalm 119 « Pray for the peace of Jerusalem: they shall prosper that love thee. » Psalm 122 « They that trust in the Lord shall be as mount Sion, which CANNOT be REMOVED, but abideth for EVER. « ... I will dwell in the house of the Lord for ever. » Psalm 23
14. #1
(05.28.06)
The US gets nothing by destorying us. Think about it. they invest tons of money in us, we give them technology they give us technology we give them medicine and a lot of goods any country would love having. They do the same. It's a good relationship whether you like it or not. And it is even said in the bible that every century a new maniac will try to harm us. We see it happening and we are quite used to it to be honest... Meanwhile, if we didn't have the US we would probably be dead in a lot of cases. We need the US and they need us. I don't know why do you hate them so much but even if bush made a stupid road map plan, it doesn't man we'll do it unless our demands are agreed. If they will have their terror organizations dismantled and have a country we will have a stable middle east at least for a while. Just like the peace with egypt has given us peace after 2 wars with them, yes I don't consider the hate we have for each other as war. Same goes for Jordan.
15. Jewboy
Caligula's Horse ,   Solomon's stables   (05.28.06)
16. Questionable Motives
Reuven Brauner ,   Raanana, israel   (05.28.06)
With no disrespect intended to our Gentile friends, the operative principle here is- "Always suspect the motives of a Jew who marries a Gentile."
17. 9 - i know exactly what you mean
mike ,   israel (formerly usa   (05.28.06)
what you mean is that you're one confused and misled pup. i hear you.
18. #16 To Reuven Brauner
(05.28.06)
Maybe Gentiles should always suspect the motives of Jews, no? That is a dangerous attitude to have, and nothing good will come of it.
19. #9 Muslim - The TEACHINGS of JUDAISM are ETERNAL!
Linda Rivera ,   New York   (05.28.06)
G-D is not a man that He should change His mind! Jews suffered horrendously at the hands of the evil ones. Monstrous and terrible crimes perpetrated against Jews in the name of G-D! Genocides; blood libels; crusades; pogroms; vicious lies; murder; deportations; inquisitions. The Holocaust. The suffering and persecution continues. Men are fighting with all their might for their kingdom of violence and massive idol worship of 'power and control' to go on forever. The very essence of Judaism - Deuteronomy 6:4, IS FOR ALL TIME AND ETERNITY, but it is rejected by men who seek to replace the greatest scripture with their own doctrine. The greatest scripture: Jewish Hebrew Bible, Deuteronomy 6:4: "Hear, O Israel! The L-RD is our G-d, the L-RD is One! You shall love the L-RD your G-d with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your might." Jesus was asked in the gospels which was the greatest commandment. Jesus said the greatest commandment was Deuteronomy 6:4. Jews and Christians will NOT accept another, and radically different "message". G-D's requirement for ALL humanity: KINDNESS. Jewish Bible, Micah 6:8: And what does the L-RD require of you but to do justice, to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your G-D.
20. #18
Reuven Brauner ,   Raanana, Israel   (05.28.06)
You are absolutely right! My wording was ambiguous and could be easily misunderstood. What I meant was that it is hard to see how a Jew who abandons one of the most crucial aspects of Jewish life (by intermarrying) can be trusted regarding his loyalty to welfare of the Jewish people. Can I trust the kashrus of a butcher who eats treife? Can I trust a bank manager who steals? Can I trust a Jew to protect my interests if he marries out? My problem is that I can't.
21. to 9 : Marcel (Florida) or Marcel Abel (France)
Marcel Abel ,   Thoiry, France   (05.28.06)
I am sorry to tell you (Muslim, USA) that I do agree with Marcel (Florida) and Mike (Israel, formerly USA) both I would like to thank here. Now my message meant for you "Muslim" (USA). Please weigh each word. Suspicion is not a legitimate motive but rather the best road to living amid obscurantism and hate. As opposed to what Emmanuel Kant asserted - a man as self-finality - we could object that a man be " in relation " to others, rather being closed to himself and consequebtly unable to get closer to others -discovering through other people what he really is, « deviens ce que tu es » (become what you are), that is being able to accept openness which is a fertile space for self - developement in an somptuous - which doesn't absolutely mean rich - environnement full of promise. « Love grants in a moment What toil can hardly achieve in an age. » Goethe in Torquato Tasso Be in peace.
22. Dear Linda
Marcel Abel ,   Thoiry, France   (05.28.06)
Thank you for your deep, enlightening reflection. « The progress of the rivers to the ocean is not so rapid as that of man to error. » Voltaire in Philosophical Dictionary 20 « In the future, when your son asks you, "What is the meaning of the stipulations, decrees and laws the LORD our God has commanded you?" 21 tell him: "We were slaves of Pharaoh in Egypt, but the LORD brought us out of Egypt with a mighty hand. 22 Before our eyes the LORD sent miraculous signs and wonders--great and terrible--upon Egypt and Pharaoh and his whole household. 23 But he brought us out from there to bring us in and give us the land that he PROMISED on oath to our forefathers. 24 The LORD commanded us to obey all these decrees and to fear the LORD our God, so that we might always prosper and be kept ALIVE, as is the case today. 25 And if we are careful to obey all this law before the LORD our God, as he has commanded us, that will be our righteousness." » Deuteromony 6, 20-25
23. #9 muslim
Marcel ,   Florida   (05.28.06)
I must tell you dear muslim that you follow a false god and pride has decieved the moslem people to assume that the God of Israel has forsaken His people .This lie that the moslem's has decieved them and trapped them in a satanic religion of hate and intolerance. The fact that Arab moslem countries have lost every war they initiated against Israel should awaken you the the fact that God is not on your side.
24. #14
Marcel ,   Florida   (05.28.06)
You wrote; Meanwhile, if we didn't have the US we would probably be dead in a lot of cases. We need the US and they need us." Your condition is an example of what ails Israel in general. A complete lack of faith in their God and complete dependance on an unfaithful ally which betrays the Jewsih people. This lack of faith makes you desperate to belived illusions and lies and nothing but the power of God can awaken you to reality. It's not about hate but about the truth which you and Israel run and hide from for too long .That tims is almost over.
25. Just who does Kissenger work for?
Daoud Abdalmasih ,   Montreal, Canada   (05.31.06)
For those who are able to do basic research, it is rather easy to see that this career diplomat is working towards the aims of the globalists and is certainly not beholden to his adopted homeland. He dispises his religious heritage and tries to play G-d. To quote his very words spoken at a Globalization conference held in 1996 in Montreal, Canada, "The power of the UN must rise and that of the US must wane." Some American!!
26. Marcel, Florida
Marcel Abel ,   Thoiry, France   (06.02.06)
Thank you for your talkback and for Psalm 83. Psalm 56 : 3 « What time I am afraid, I will trust in thee. » Psalm 56 :11 « In God have I put my trust : I will be not afraid what man can do unto me. »
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