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Canadian teachers union boycotts Israel
Published: 29.05.06, 10:52
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31. Dearest Bunnie Meyer
Ken ,   Toronto   (05.29.06)
Thanks for the somewhat predictable and dumbed down insight on a serious issue. Take a look at the value of the American dollar and its decline deep into oblivion. Then ask yourself who is really on their way to the dump. Lastly, your academic knowledge of French serves as an example that if one really puts their mind to it...they too can be the U.S.'s astounding illiteracy statistics.
32. Nathan in Canada
Stephen Duke ,   London (Soon 2 B TA)   (05.29.06)
You say that Israel is boycotted because it is doing something wrong, I assume by this you mean the 'occupation' and military activities undertaken by the IDF. Israel simply defends itself, it may use methods which are unpleasant (as all violence is) but when one has to make life and death decisions there is not always the possibility of picking the fluffy and cuddly option where no-one gets hurt. I am unsure why Israel defending itself is 'wrong', can you please explain to me what Israel does that is wrong and I don't mean isolated incidents but rather general policies. I know you may mention the occupation but think the issue surrounding the Arab-Israeli conflict are so complex that they deserve more consideration that simple labels of right and wrong. I think most Jews complain of anti-semitism because they think those who advocate Israeli passivity in the face of Palestinian aggression and can find any justification for violence against jews probably don't like Jews very much.
33. Are you serious?
William ,   London   (05.29.06)
You are talking about a G-8 country that has one of the largest economies in the world. Has one of the largest reserves of natural resources in the world. Has gold, diamonds, and access to huge fresh water reservoirs. The country has an auto industry, a huge high-tech sector, industry....You aren't actually comparing the economies of these two countries are you...? Maybe it is time to sit down and read a book...ignorance is bliss.
34. Nothing has changed in CANADA
We shall "OVERCOME" ,   3,000 yrs old ISRAEL   (05.29.06)
There are already more than 750,000 muslims in Canada. They represent 2% of the population. More than 60% of Canadian muslims live in Ontario. 5% of all Toronto (Ontario) population is muslims, making Toronto the highest concentration of muslims in any city in the US or Canada. So it is easy to understand why the Ontario division of Canada's largest union (CUPE) voted to support an international campaign to boycott Israel over its "treatment" of Palestinians. This time it is an "anti-Israel" campaign but before World War II, it was an "anti-Jewish" campaign in Canada. We all remember F.C. BLAIR, the Director of the Canadian Immigration Branch who in 1938 personally ensured that virtually no Jews were admitted to Canada. The "motto" was : "ONE IS TOO MUCH". Between 1933 and 1945, Canada had the worst record of any large nonEuropean country in admitting Jews. So, I wish the Canadians today : "ALL THE BEST" and to the citizens of Ontario : "Continue to kiss their A** ".
35. Stop and think
Leota ,   U.S.A.   (05.29.06)
People jump on the bandwagon without thinking things through sometimes. The fact of the matter is that we cannot demand that Israel gives back the land to the Palestinians until we (Canada and the U.S.) give back the land to the Native Americans. Otherwise, it is the pot calling the kettle black. The Palestinians don't want equality, they have stated vehemently throughout the years that they want the nation of Israel eradicated. So -- on a global scale -- this article is stating that it is all right for the Palestinians to eradicate the Jewish people AND it is all right for the Native Americans to eradicate all the invaders living in North America. Kinda makes a difference when you look at it that way, doesn't it?
36. #29
Jason ,   TX   (05.29.06)
Israel is doing something wrong? Israel is trying to fight terrorism. Complaints about the security barrier should generally fall on deaf ears. The barrier is being built in direct response to terrorism. Had the terrorists not tried to destroy Israel, there would be no barrier. T
37. Well said NATHAN
Ramzi Sfeir ,   Bethlehem, Palestine   (05.29.06)
Well said! WELL SAID!
38. More lies
Yoav Ben Zakai ,   Israel (AND PROUD)   (05.29.06)
I personally have reached the conclusion that we shouldn't give into these bullying tactics that are bloated with double-standards, hypocrisy and twisting and distortion of facts. The world is plagued by conflicts and wars that are much much worse than the arab-Israeli conflict and yet the international community (or more accurately a cabal of self-righteous left-wing westerners and europeans who have no dignity or self-respect and who bend over for arab-muslims) I have lived in Canada before (Quebec) and i have been to the native reserves (about 20 min drive from the city of Montreal) and have seen the horrific negligence of native communities by the Canadian government on so many levels and complete social and cultural disintegration of a once proud people. I felt like i was in a third-world dump!! Drugs, alcohol, violence, despair and suicide were the norm. Kids as young as 6 or 7 would be stumbling around high on glue-sniffing and saying they preferred to die than live like this. Believe me! This was in Canada! So to those Canadians boycotting Israel i tell them to take a good long hard look at the rotting garbage in their own backyard first.
39. Next step for the "CUPE" ...
We shall OVERCOME ,   3,000 yrs old ISRAEL   (05.29.06)
Ontario public employees' union vote to boycott Israel until it recognizes Palestinians' right ... " TO KICK THE JEWS OUT of Palestine " (LOL) Before WW II, anti-semitic slogan was : " Jews GO BACK to Palestine " And today, the slogan is : " Jews GET OUT of Palestine ". (LMAO)
40. cupe
cliff from montreal ,   montreal   (05.29.06)
cupe has once again shown itself to be an ineffective and irrelevant body! They are a joke here in Canada! Gess, nice if those useful fools at cupe would boycott Saudi Arabia, but dhimmis don't do that.
41. to #32
bossem mein khoteb ,   newark   (05.29.06)
"Israel simply defends itself, it may use methods which are unpleasant (as all violence is). I am unsure why Israel defending itself is 'wrong', " yet you DO find it wrong when arabs defend themselves from israeli's who are genociding them. i wanna also note that some of these comments have COMPLETE falsehoods in them such as the one stating that israeli's have never "flogged anyone in public" or "stopped people from practicing their worship" as both these are complete lies and u know it. lift up ur skirt.. and how many times can you play tha "holocaust" card? tha shit was a horrible historical incidence (might i add not only jews were victims of it but muslims as well and pretty much everyone who wasnt white christian). nevertheless the holocaust has nothing to do with tha genocide going on in israel today and you are only playin tha sympathy card. get off it. how is is "anti-semetic" when u boycott israel but its not anti-semetic when an israeli soldier shoots little palestinian kids in tha face for no reason? arabs are semetic too in fact more so than jews as we have never migrated to european nations and developed into tha culture... thank u and u are all racists.
42. To #29
Francois ,   Paris   (05.29.06)
During WW2 ,lots of Churches, trade unions, scholars, organizations and governments turned against the Jews. Nowadays, post-Bolshevik thugs and many kinds of red Nazis are turning against the Jews. Same old story you little brainwashed Leftist. Once again, people brainwashed by a blattant anti-Semitic propaganda are turning against the Jews.
43. to #32 bossem mein khoteb
DSR ,   Toronto Canada   (05.29.06)
How soon you forget! You suggest the Holocaust has nothing to do with the present and that it's a sympathy card. CLearly Historical Occurrences have no place in this debate. I wonder then, why do you refer to exile and diaspora? Is that not a historical issue? You refer to your history (never migrating) in support of your position - but we are denied ours? Interesting. With logic like that - no wonder your people are where they are. Next, please do not forget the Palestnian link to the holocaust - Didnt your grand Mufti spend the war with Hitler in Berlin? Perhaps you forget your grand mufti did emigrate as well - only though - when he feared for his life. Is that another palestinian characteristic? Cowardice. We will never forget what you and your kind have done. Jewish blood is not the cheap commodity you think it is. You're welcome - and why dont you go promote those views in Newark, how about doing so on the anniversary of 9/11.
44. READ this ..also web address for CUPE booklet
Gandolf ,   Canada PEI   (05.29.06)
"The Wall Must Fall" is a booklet put out by CUPE BC, a division of the Canadian Union of Public Employees, the largest union in Canada at over 500,000 members. It is meant as an educational resource for its members. To that end, it raises probing questions. For example: ? Why is the Israel-Palestine conflict so important? ? What?s daily life like under Israeli occupation? ? Why is the world calling for an end to occupation? ? Why is there so much violence? ? Why did the Israelis build the ?apartheid? or separation wall? ? Why is Israel so often criticized at the United Nations? ? Aren?t other countries just as guilty of human rights violations? ? Who was Yasser Arafat? ? Why did the United States and Israel dislike him? ? Is opposing Israeli actions and policies anti-Semitic or anti-Jewish? The Wall Must Fall offers some answers, but more importantly it provides current and historical perspectives on the conflict. Packed with facts, statements, maps, charts and photographs, it's a powerful primer for CUPE members and anyone interested in the issue. As Canadian Jewish Outlook editor Carl Rosenberg writes in his foreword: ?This CUPE BC booklet is part of a growing educational effort meant to build a solidarity campaign similar to the one created to fight against the apartheid regime in South Africa.? CUPE BC?s International Solidarity Committee was directed to produce the booklet by a resolution at the 2003 provincial division convention. For more info and to download the booklet: http://www.cupe.bc.ca/1592 im Canadian and against this FYI
45. They are not anti-semetic.
Joey ,   Sudbury, Canada   (05.29.06)
See you all misread! They are boycotting Israel because of its almost extremist stance against Palestine. They have refused to co-exist in the first place with Palestine which makes them no better than the Palestinians who refuse to let Israel exist. I am leftist and I am looking at both sides of the argument. I support this ban, but I would also support a ban on Palestinian products (if any) because of THEIR refusal to acknowledge the existence of Israel. I urge everyone to calm down. Canada is not anti-semetic. We pride ourselves in our Human Rights tradition. It was Canada that was the main writer of the Human Rights Declaration.
46. Who cares? Canada has nothing to offer.
Daisy ,   USA   (05.30.06)
47. Canadians do not think this way!
Mike ,   Canada   (05.30.06)
The people who voted for this are left wing extremists and do NOT represent the average Canadian. They probably don't even represent the opinions of CUPE members in Ontario. So all the closed minded Americans making anti Canadian comments: Crawl back to your cave, or actually LEARN something about the rest of the world before you make stupid comments!
48. CUPE Disinformation Booklet--the Answers
Brana Lobel ,   USA   (05.30.06)
? Why is the Israel-Palestine conflict so important? 1)The Jews are G-d's chosen people 2)It gives others a convenient scapegoat 3)Arab oil motivates many countries ? What?s daily life like under Israeli occupation? 1)It's not "occupation". The land belongs to the Jews 2)Life is good for the Israelis and even Israeli Arabs; "Palis" if they can, work in Israel, otherwise try to get benefits; they're getting nothing from their leaders except for suicide money ? Why is the world calling for an end to occupation? 1) It's not "occupation", 2)other countries can deflect concerns from their own problems 3) looking for a scapegoat yet again ? Why is there so much violence? 1)Ask the "Palis"; they're the ones who are blowing up innocents, carrying heads around, shooting even each other, setting up shop for Al Qaeda ? Why did the Israelis build the ?apartheid? or separation wall? 1)It's not apartheid 2)the wall is for defense ? Why is Israel so often criticized at the United Nations? 1)UN composed of a large number of countries with dishonest governments with axes to grind 2)UN refuses to back up its rulings 3)UN has no power to back up its rulings 4)Israel is used to goad the US for political motivation ? Aren?t other countries just as guilty of human rights violations? 1)No, other countries are far more guilty: someone already made a list but to start with: Saudi Arabia, Iraq, North Korea, China, Iran, Sudan.... ? Who was Yasser Arafat? 1) a criminal 2) a liar ? Why did the United States and Israel dislike him? 1) 1 and 2 above; 2)he was completely untrustworthy, he advocated the destruction of Israel ? Is opposing Israeli actions and policies anti-Semitic or anti-Jewish? 1)Yes 2)Yes 3)Yes. Hey, what more can I write? The Land of the Jews is Israel. *** "I support this ban, but I would also support a ban on Palestinian products (if any) because of THEIR refusal to acknowledge the existence of Israel." Joey Ok Joey, you'd better ban heads without bodies, bodies without heads, rubble, bombs, body parts, bloodstained checkered scarves, bullet casings, and criminal, amoral people...the "Palis" major exports. Contrast this with vegetables, fruits, computer and electronics products, high tech devices, medical inventions...from the Jews of Israel.
49. what does anti-semitic mean?
Adam ,   Canada   (05.30.06)
half of the comments are full of remarks like "a bunch of useless muslims anyways". Anti-semitic has come to mean those that oppose the political and social goals of worldwide Jewry. This is a different definition than that which has been condemned worldwide, namely, those who wish to do harm or undermine Jewish individuals because of their race/religion. Anti-semitism is intolerable because innocent people are punished for political motives as if they are part of some greater conspiracy. It is equally intolerable to treat innocent individuals who happen to be Muslim (or some other tenuous grouping of different individuals) as if they all belong to some greater political scheme. If the ignorance of racist violence is ever going to stop, it will begin with people refusing to stereotype each other under inefficient categories based on nationalism, ideology and genetic heritage.
50. to #43
bossem mein khoteb ,   newark   (05.30.06)
thank u for that lengthy psycobabble. most of ur argument held no debatable ground and was a majority of personal attacks at me. "cowardice"? there were jews in tha nazi party btw. not to mention hitler himself was half jewish... an arab fleeing germany is no different from tha jews fleeing germany so if u consider such an act of "cowardice" then we are both in tha same boat. no further comments. ps: was that a threat? be careful how u speak internet threats are a crime...
51. #44--need to counter the booklet
Jdyer ,   Boston, MA, USA   (05.30.06)
Why hasn't the Canadian Jewish community answered the booklet with one of its own countering the lies that were set forth in it?
52. Joey #45 if they are not anti-Semites, what are they?
(05.30.06)
You say: "See you all misread! They are boycotting Israel because of its almost extremist stance against Palestine. They have refused to co-exist in the first place with Palestine which makes them no better than the Palestinians who refuse to let Israel exist." So why are they only boycotting one side only? It seems to me that anti-Semitism is a driving force in their effort to destroy the Jewish State. They are not better than their anti-Semitic grandparents who kept Jews out of Canada in the 30/s and 40's.
53. A note from a CUPE Ontario Member
Geoffrey ,   Toronto, Canada   (05.30.06)
As a "rank and file" member of CUPE Ontario, I can assure everyone here, including those in Israel, that this absurd one-sided resolution does not have the unanimous support of the membership. In fact, a number of us within the union do not intend to take this lying down and are currently exploring all remedies available to us.
54. Israelis not wanted in Britain and Canada
Foley ,   Manchester England   (05.30.06)
Boycott means that universities in Britain and Canada will treat Israel as terrorist nation. I think most of professors and lecturers at universities and colleges in US and Canadian universities are anti-semitic with deep rooted institutional racism. Like Professor Irving, they too have doubts about the Holocaust. I suspect some of them will be heading to Iran to attend the deniers conference on Holocaust. Iran has openly declared the Hitler did not kill any Jews in world war 2. Could it be that he got influenced by these so-called anti-Israeli academics?
55. What do you know about Palestine?
Alex ,   Jerusalem/Palestine   (05.30.06)
To all of you out there with these big words that you are always throwing around in the face of the rest of the world like anti-semites..I dare you to go and spend just one day in Palestine and see how the Palestinians are living their lives under the occupation..and then say these worsd to my face. And by the way FWI Arabs are also semites!!!
56. Liar - Israel is 58 years old
Ari Feek Kunzeer ,   Canada   (05.30.06)
You are a victim of your own propaganda. The state of Israel is only 58 years old. Israel does not have a "right to exist". It only exists because Jewish Zionists and International Zionists stole the land from its indigenous people, the Palestinians. But most Palestinians in practical terms recognize the existence of Israel and are magnanimously willing to co-exist in a secular eqalitarian one state - one person, one vote, with right of return. Most Israeli Jews are not. All those other issues you brought up have nothing to do with the truth that Israeli is a brutak cruel oppressive colonial occupier. Even if there was a two state solution implemented tomorrow, which is impossible because the 10% of Palestine remaining is so cut up by settlements, military roads, check-points and the apartheid wall, a separate Jewish state would eventually rot and implode from within because you have lost your humanity. None of the above or CUPE's resolution is anti-Semitic. It is anti-Israel and anti-Zionist. ANTI-ZIONISM DOES NOT EQUAL ANTI-SEMITISM. You just throw that tired old accustaion out every time you lose an argument or the world exposes the horrible criminal things Israel does to maintain its existance.
57. I Know All I Need To Know About "Palestine"
Brana Lobel ,   USA   (05.30.06)
1) There is no Palestine 2) In comparing Israelis to "Palis", or, to be more accurate, Arab terrorists/supporters/enablers/those terrified but who cannot leave(probably in diminishing order)I refer to: a)the Internet 404 (link error) webpage used by many Israeli sites, an angel, looking like a child (toddler), probably a variant of a keruv, with the word "Oops"--happy, winged, and contrast b)the picture posted and circulated, initially by Palis and probably other Arabs, of a toddler in a military uniform, with a gunbelt, holding up hands with bloody (or fake bloody) palms. *** By the way a society treats and depicts its children does one know them and shall they be judged.
58. #52, #47 ANTI-ZIONISM DOES NOT EQUAL ANTI-SEMITISM
#52, #47 Kul hara. ,   Haifa   (05.30.06)
So are all the progressive Jews of conscience who oppose the brutal policies and actions of Israel also anti-semites? What a sorry joke you are. Boo hoo hoo. Oh poor me. Everyone hates me. I'm Jewish and the whole world is anti-semitic. No they are not. We just oppose the criminal colonial oppression of Jewish Israeli Zionists. You refer to "the Palestinians who refuse to let Israel exist." Are you blind, stupid or just full of your own propaganda? ISRAEL EXISTS !!!!! Palestine does not ! You only left the Palestinians with a lousy 10% of historic Palestine. The state of Israel was created by stealing 78% of historic Palestine. Another 12% was taken to build the apartheid wall. May G-d forgive you. Because most of the rest of us won't.
60. To # 58 ( named KUL HARA ) from Haifa
Sanitation Dept. ,   HAIFA   (05.30.06)
Your name fits you very well. In arabic, "kul hara" means "all shit " and that's exactly what you are.
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