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Britain slams Israel academic boycott
Moran Zelikovich
Published: 29.05.06, 19:46
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31. #28 Go back to Monte Carlo Ellen
Cynthia ,   USA   (05.30.06)
You and your husband are useless. You can banter all you want and try to convince yourself that this boycott is noble but you're nothing but a racist. The boycott was defeated before and it will be defeated again. Let those who seek justice step forward.
32. leave the trots to rot in their own juice - move to Israel
Avi ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (05.30.06)
"In every generation there rises up an adversary against us". So we read in the haggada every Pesach. Whether it was the Seleucid Greeks, or the Romans or Moslems or the Christian Churches or the Communists or those who really gave a bad name to anti-Semitism, the Nazis, they always seem to be with us. With Jews or without Jews they carry on regardless, whatever we Jews do or do not do. The present bunch of Trots in the UK have been around for years. Instead of going out and earning a living, they occupy politically secure sinecures as "Trade Union activists". Their view of the world is warped and evil and has very little to do with reality as we normal human beings know it. My answer to them and their nefarious activities is as follows. Combat them while you are at University and then leave the Diaspora behind and come and live in Israel. We battled against these same thugs in the middles 1970s in the UK when they tried to ban Jewish student organizations, and we won, but they battle on. In the mean time, in the real world, I am living in Jerusalem, in the sovereign State of Israel with my wife and three grown children. The struggle must go on. These literally hateful people will always be with us, but we must not give into them. BTW, why are the intellectuals always so pusillanimous? Some of them opposed Nazi and fascist evil when the push came to shove, but they are and were so mealy mouthed in their criticism of the Communist totalitarian dictatorships, east and west. I suppose that it is OK to kill 50 million people if you have the correct Marxist hechsher.
33. Ellen's smug hypocrisy
Marya ,   Sacramento   (05.30.06)
Ms Prescott: Please remove your head from your arse and take a good look around you. Yes, yes we know that some of your best friends are Jews - crikey you could be a Jew yourself. But why is it you use a different yardstick for Israel than you use for other countries like Zimbabwe, Russia, Sudan, Saudi Arabia, Iran, hell, any Muslim country. Is Israel really worse than any other country on G-d's green earth? There is no other country in this world that comes to your attention as being the worst on the planet? Only little ole Israel gets the award? The truth be told Ms. is that you can shade this any way you like to justify your terrible hatred..Only a died in the wool anti-Semite looks for a racist and only finds one in Israel. Palestinians get better treatment in Israel than most other Arab nations! Why don't you talk to France about those banlieus...how about the caste system in India. Check out Australia or Africa, there's plenty of discrimination going on. Why don't you take a stand against FGM? Or honor killings or infant/ child rape in Africa to ward off AIDS? Doesn't it bother you that Black Christians are being sold into slavery - today - in this day and age? That little girls and boys are sold into the flesh trade and are brutally raped and sodomized by their Arab captors? What about girls having all of their outer genitalia sliced off with a dirty filthy knife without anesthesia and sewn up so she can barely urinate - forget about menstruate, have sex or give birth! That doesn't move you, eh? Only those dirty Jews..? So be it. Now please agree to the boycott of Israeli academia on one condition -That you promise not to use or benefit from any scientific or medicinal invention that a Jew invented. These include laser eye surgery invented by Samuel Blum. Vacinne for Hepatitis B was (invented by Baruch Blumberg & Irving Millman.) Oral Contraceptive Enovid by Frank Cotton. Anti-Leukemia drug by Gertrude Elion. Incubator for premature babies -invented by Julius Hess. Cataract surgery invented by Charles Kelman. Implantable cardio defibrillator- invented by Morton Mower. Vaccination needle by Benjamin Rubin. Valium & Librium invented by Leo Sternbach. Poultry antibiotic by Max Tishler. Streptoycin by Selman Waksman. External pacemaker & monitor by Paul Zoll. Polio Vaccine by Jonas Salk. Chemotherapy was invented by Paul Ehrlich. Blood groups by Karl Landsteiner. The list goes on and on. So you see, we Jews have kept you anti-Semites alive for far too long. *Thanks to unknown Jewish poster for Israeli inventors info.
34. #30 You know what they say -
Jenny ,   NYC   (05.30.06)
"Publish or perish" Ellen never published so I guess we know her near fate. That is what happens when your bedfellows are Islamofascists. I am getting a vision of Ellen's hijab showing too much cheek and her husband getting angry. Very angry.
35. anti Israel not anti simitic
(05.30.06)
the Jews are not the only simitics on the earth
36. #28 you ignoramus check the facts.
Gil ,   Tel Aviv   (05.30.06)
Its ironic that the very people the british universities are boycotting are in fact the most suportive of Palestinian rights - the left wing, academic groups in Israel are well known for their pro-palestinian support. This is why ignorant people like yourself who gleefully rejoice at any single piece of anti-Israel act are intentionally creating new prejudice, hate and injustice.
37. #4 Dear muslim,
NTI ,   Red Chili   (05.30.06)
no normal people is born stupid, but we have 1.3 billion stupid people believing in a stupid cult. The world will not shut their eyes to your stupidity (indiscriminate murdering of non-muslims) forever. Only when you renounce your evil cult will everyone be able to live in peace. Get your antidote from www.faithfreedom.org now!... b4 you blow yourself up accidentally, thus cannot get 72 sows.
38. #28 Ellen
NTI ,   Red Chili   (05.30.06)
have you heeded my advice to convert to islam on the next nearest Friday? what is your new muslimah name? Your insanity and warped sense of justice have rightly qualified you to become a muslim. Probably the stupid muslims will endorse you to be their first woman mullah, a mad one of course. If you still want to retain your sanity, get your medicine (antidote) from www.faithfreedom.org immediately.
39. Terrible Mistake, I really love Israel...
Ellen Prescott ,   Southsea, Hampshire   (05.30.06)
I realized that it is the Arabs/Muslims countries who are the real Apartheid, they do not allow jews in their country and they murder and ethnically cleanse anyone who is different from them or who do not adhere to their way of life. long live Israel; the only democracy in the middle east! where arabs have citizenship, Muslim women can vote, and there is religious tolerance. I should have realized it all along, being a 'Liberal'. The Arab/Muslims are Islamofascists who do not believe in diversity, human rights, and freedom of belief/religion for all. And besides all the above they use violence as a means of solving all their problems! shame on those Arabs. Israel keep on fighting these tyrants!
40. ellen prescott
gm ,   world citizen   (05.30.06)
Ellen if you are so happy to fight 'apartheid' you would be condemning palestinian attitude towards Israel and Arab/Muslim attitude towards Jews. The only thing the fanatical arab/muslims want is the destruction of Israel and the Jews, it's just not politically correct to be so bold as to say that. 'palestinians' have been offered numerous opportunities to accept peace with Israel, but not one option has even been considered let alone agreed upon. Having a 'palestine' is not important to them. Careful what you interpret to be apartheid because it will bite you in the ass. Jews are probably one of the most tolerant of all nations. Can you say that for the rest of the middle east?
41. #35 Then say it like you think it
gm ,   south africa   (05.30.06)
Anti-Jew not anti -Israel. Either way you double talk your way through life
42. I feel sick
atmawi ,   Historic Palestine   (05.30.06)
I did not read talkbacks, because every time I read them, I feel sick. Ynet readers are one sided, and believe in no diversity at all. Bush: Either with us or against us. Hamas: If you protest this government, you stand side by side with Israelies, and Americans who wants to starve us, and get political price for the food they give. Israelies: If you do not agree with us, You are a Racist, Anti-Symatic.
43. #35 ever looked at a dictionary?
Gil ,   Tel Aviv   (05.30.06)
if you did then you would realise that the term "anti-semitism" is defined as prejudice against the Jewish people. Just because Arabs are semities, it doesn't change the traditional and mordern academic meaning of the term "Anti-semitism" which is specific to Jews not Arabs. ref; Oxford English Dictinary
44. Twisting
Deniz ,   Oxford, UK   (05.30.06)
Why people , especially jewish and muslim radicals, twist the truth? British Academics , boycots the Israils Academics who support of Israil policies on Palestiean issue. It is not about being muslim or jewish. There is an unjustice in middle east. Palestian (and also moderate jewish) people are suffering everyday. It's about justice, not racism or anti-semitic. I dont have any problem with Jewish people. Jewish people has done lots for humanity. Jewish people has all rights to have a home land as much as Arabs in middle east. But i have problem with the opressive system of Israil. Opression and occupation of Palestian by Israil must end now.
45. # 28 Miss Ellen Ulyanov
yakov shani ,   IL.   (05.30.06)
What in the name of hell is an alive and kicking Redder than Red Commie like you doing in such a den of Capitalist iniquity as Monte Carlo. Could it be hypocrisy, perhaps you have just been fooling us all the time.
46. #44 Care 1st for Irish and boycott protestants b4 u speak
gabriela ben ari ,   jerusalem   (05.30.06)
47. My deepest sympathy
yakov shani ,   IL   (05.30.06)
lies with all Jews who live in England and especially those who are students at British universities, bastions of antisemitism, my sympathy goes even deeper for those who study at Portsmouth university where they quite possibly would be under the tutorship of Miss Ellen's professor husband. My deepest sympathy is for the ones who may perchance meet with Miss Ellen Ulyanov in person and thus would be subjected to a sizeable portion of radical leftist ideaology, straight from the pages of the Moscow Politburo circa 1924, adequately fortified with the indispensible ingredient of antisemitism. My sympathy for you Jewish students because young minds are maleable and what goes inside the penthouse of your physical entity, may at some time in the future search for an exit, but will not find one, all exits are barred.
48. 44 Deniz ,Oxford: Do you ever read real news ?
Gabrielle Goldwater ,   Geneva Switzerland   (05.30.06)
you sound like A Lefty who masquerades as a human being - but fails Get real - get educated - but concern your self with your UK Islamic threats Useless fool TWENTY “major conspiracies” by Islamist terrorists in Britain have been uncovered by the security services, John Reid, the home secretary, has disclosed. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspaper/0,,176-2200246,00.html To top it all: you expoert these rats to help to support attacks on Israeli Jews Now go back to your sofa
49. 28 Ellen:Don't smile yet:You are going to be sued !!!!!!!!!!
Gabrielle Goldwater ,   Geneva Switzerland   (05.30.06)
under the act 13: Funny - isn't it: but you will have a big law suit on your hands which is being put together as of today It is going to teach you ALL - HOW laws work and how YOU pay - now that will be funny - YOU guys paying !!!!!!!!!!!! It will contravene British obligations under Article 13 of the EU's Treaty of Amsterdam that forbids all discrimination, including 'national'", adding that "the fact that the Israeli victims of this boycott will, in the main, be Jewish, is, ipso facto, an instrument of antisemitism. Furthermore, this campaign violates British Middle East policy by reinforcing those elements who reject any hope for a peaceful settlement. In the absence of such action, the Department for Education and Skills and Universities UK will be complicit by omission in this boycott and its consequences. EU anti-racism legislation (article 13) http://www.icare.to/antidiscrimination19.05.2000.html Article 13 of The Treaty of Amsterdam, which entered into force in 1999, gave the EU powers to draw up legislation to tackle discrimination against specific groups of people on the grounds of nationality, race, sex, religious belief, disability, age or sexual orientation. On this basis, two pieces of ground-breaking legislation were adopted in 2000. In many countries these directives will bring comprehensive anti-discrimination legislation for the first time. So Ellen - You and Hubby - get your bank accounts ready for payments.
50. 42 atmawi: you are always sick - go to Arab websites and get
Gabrielle Goldwater ,   Geneva Switzerland   (05.30.06)
cured - Oy I forgot - they have NO free speech - and they have no real Arab medical advances - it's all Jewish medical in that region that is the only You are a sorry Arab - remember just an Arab - Palestinian Arabs are not an ethnic existing group
51. 44Deniz , Oxford: Learn Facts of history
Gabrielle Goldwater ,   Geneva Switzerland   (05.30.06)
1) Occupation only applies under International Law - vis-a-vis the territory of another SOVEREIGN STATE.... You can legally only occupy another State that was under different Sovereignty at the time of occupation - which does not apply to the PA Territories since they were not part of any Sovereign State .... Jordan and Egypt never had annexed any territories to become the sovereign of same, when Israel regained it's territories in a self-defense war. Therefore Legally Judea and Samaria (ancient historical Jewish land) are unassigned territories of the British Mandate for Palestine not "occupied territories." 2) Israeli presence in Yesha does not constitute "occupation," and moreover, that the U.N. Partition Resolution of 1947 is a "recommendation" and not obligatory. "Up until 1948, Judea, Samaria and Gaza were a part of the British Mandate. In the 1948 War of Independence, Egypt illegally grabbed the Gaza Strip, and Jordan took Judea and Samaria, the 'West Bank.' Egypt did not claim sovereignty in Gaza, but Jordan deigned, in 1950, to annex Judea and Samaria. This annexation was not recognized by international law. The Arab nations objected to it, In 1967, after the Six Day War, these territories - which were originally meant for the Jewish Nation's National Home according to the Mandate Charter - returned to Israeli control." in 1988, King Hussein of Jordan rescinded its legal and administrative ties to Judea and Samaria. "According to international law," "Israel has full right to try to populate the entire Land of Israel with dense Jewish settlement, and thus actualize the principles set by the League of Nations in the original Mandate Charter of San Remo in 1920. At that time, the mandate to the Land of Israel was granted to the British, and the introduction to the mandate charter states clearly that it is based on the international recognition of the historic ties between the Jewish People and the Land of Israel. Clause II of that mandate charges Britain with 'ensuring the existence of political, administrative, and economic conditions that will guarantee the establishment of the Jewish national home in the Land of Israel.'" "Even the White Paper of 1922," emphasized the Jewish Nation's rights to the national home in the Land of Israel - while at the same time tearing away almost 80% of the mandate's area on the eastern side of the Jordan and giving it to Emir Abdullah." There is nothing in international law that requires a Palestinian state between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean - not even the UN Partition Resolution of Nov. 29, 1947. The fact that the Arab states did not accept the Partition Plan, voids the recommendation of any legal basis. Resolutions 242 and 338, which call for negotiations and a "withdrawal from territories" (not "withdrawal from THE territories") captured in 1967, are similarly "recommendations." These resolutions were drawn up under the UN Charter's Clause VI, which deals with non-mandatory recommendations - as opposed to Clause VII resolutions, "which are mandatory, and which deal with a threat to world peace, such as those taken against Iraq." If by chance you don't understand Intl. Law - you should take a lawyer and file for arbitration and explanations with the T.M.C. Asser Institute on Intl. Law in the Hague. http://www.asser.nl/index.htm Good Luck ALSO: Israel White Paper – Israel's Legal Rights to Judea, Samaria, and Gaza http://www.israelwhitepaper.org/
52. to 43
(05.30.06)
Don't fake the truth ... Israel is acountry and not all the Jews living in Israel and this boycott is against the univirsties in Israel not against the Jews around the world so stop crying all the time and accusing everyone who don't agree with Israel with anti-simitism ... and the Jews are not the only simitics in the world so why only against Israel .... as long as all of you do not want to face the truth that the hate will growi up to Israel not to all the Jews because of the humanrights of the Palistinians and the occupying and Canada did the same like in England they are ant-simitics too ??? ... for you all who say no to you are anti-simitics ... keep on thinkning by this way till one day Israel will be almost isolated and you will have only America and it's only because of the strong zionists loby there ..... strange people you are
53. 52 Nameless Bug in the Rug: big failure you are
Gabrielle Goldwater ,   Geneva Switzerland   (05.30.06)
but then what does anyone expect from a nameless Bug NOTHING - not even backbone - or guts Go back to your hole you normally hide in
54. Cheering and Chapeau to Ellen .
(05.30.06)
55. 54 The Bug in the Rug cheers another Bug called Ellen
Gabrielle Goldwater ,   Geneva Switzerland   (05.30.06)
Two Bugs in the rug - meeting in Monte Carlo ???
56. #42 First time I agree with atmawi!!! YOU ARE SICK DEAR!
gabriela ben ari   (05.30.06)
57. Gabrielle Goldwater
Marcel Abel ,   Thoiry, France   (05.30.06)
Thank you for your remarkably concise, yet exhaustive statement of the facts. « In law a man is guilty when he violates the rights of another. In ethics he is guilty if he only thinks of doing so. » Immanuel Kant in Lecture at Königsberg, 1775.
58. #51 For Gabrielle & Those against the boycott
Dina ,   Switzerland   (06.08.06)
Dear Gabrielle, I am not sure if your realise this but some of your comments on this forum are highly aggressive if not insulting and at times racist... in particular when referring to Arabs, Muslims and/or Palestinians. Just as you vehemently fight for Jewish integrity and their right to be free of any form of discrimination, you should not fall yourself in the trap of generalisations and stereotyping. In relation to message 51, I find your twisting of historical facts and misuse of international law and misunderstanding of UN resolutions mind-boggeling if not scary! The fact that you simply disregarded the factual existence of a Palestinian State prior to the British mandate is disturbing - as well as the obvious acceptance and disdain you have for the ethnic cleansing and exile of millions of Palestinians from their home land, not to mention denial for their basic human rights. This blindiness of giving "birth right" land ownership to one group (Jews) vs. the other (Christian & Muslim Arabs who have lived on these same lands for thousands of years) is racist (fyi and for the sake of anecdote in 1904 the Fourth Zionist Congress had decided to establish a national home for Jews in Argentina - prior to chosing Palestine). I suggest you "balance" your views by visiting some alternative sites which provide alternative views as well as historical facts. Some suggestions are listed below. As for those who are againt the boycott of Israeli Academics, fyi, boycott (whether political, economic or academic) is an ancient old non-violent mean of protest and resistence againt human rights violations and violators. It is an integral part of every person´s freedom of speech and civil responsibility. Peace, Dina Books: 1. Sharing the land of Canaan - Mazin B. Qumsiyeh 2. A Threat from WIthin: A Century of Jewish Opposition to Zionism by Yakov M. Rabkin Some interesting figures also fighting for peace and justice in Israel/Palestine: * Mazin Quimsiyeh: http://qumsiyeh.org/ * Gilad Atzmon: http://www.gilad.co.uk/ * Robert Fisk: http://www.robert-fisk.com/ * Norman G. Finkelstein: http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/article.php?pg=11&ar=130 * Yakov Rabkin and many others... Organisations * http://jewschool.com/?m=20051207 * http://www.peacemakergame.com/ * Jews United AGainst Zionism: http://www.nkusa.org/activities/Statements/2005Oct28Iran.cfm * http://stopthewall.org/worldwideactivism/1061.shtml * http://electronicintifada.net/forreference/keyfigures/sharon.html * http://www.adalah.org/eng/backgroundhistory.php * http://www.arabhra.org/about/palestinianminority.htm * http://palestineremembered.com/ * http://www.stop-us-military-aid-to-israel.net/ * http://www.mahsanmilim.com/ ... and there are many many more...
59. dina=satan.
dina ,   switzerland   (03.19.07)
60. boycott further weakens UK university
AT   (03.19.07)
This boycott will just further lower the current reputation of UK universities.
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