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Yaakov Lappin
Published: 05.06.06, 14:18
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31. In fairness to Ellen
Mike ,   Atlanta, USA   (06.05.06)
Ellen principally voices concerns over actions taken by the Israeli government, so no one should expect her to opine on this kind of news.
32. islam and uk
fayez ,   uk   (06.05.06)
islam brought dirt, decline and backwadrness to the areas they live in, look at bradford, leicster,luton and birmingham ,for god sake savew england from Islam, labour destroyed this country by appeasing and encouraging Isalm.
33. Salaam Ya Majid
(06.05.06)
If you truly believe that, that Islam is peaceful and these are just extremists, why arent the moderates more vocal? Unfortunately you let your religion be characterized by hatred and intolerance of many of your co-religionists. Hopefully you will bolster your efforts and maybe you can PUBLICLY, in person, name adn all denounce these cretins. Yeah it will be dangerous but you know what, Non-muslims cannot fight to make Islam less extreme, thats an inside job, but I think you start you will find lots of support. Anything short of a significant paradigm shift in Islam is useless. Martin Luther started a reform movement, it was bloody and vicious but end of the day, the wars of religion in Europe ended. Judaism itself has a Reform movement (whether or not other Jews agree with it is another subject) I have to say that my view of Islam is VERY poor. I hear lots of moderates clammering that extremism is not the norm, but empiracal evidence suggests it is. You moderates are growing fewer in numbers. A reform movement of those Muslims who cherish peace, tolerance and human rights over religion sanctioned barbarism would find considerable report in the West. Is the West trying to change Islam? I suppose in a way it is. Liberal Democracy is the norm in the west and nothing can replace that (though many on the left think it should be replaced). If it is replaced then Western civilization ceases and a new different western civilization begins. I prefer the former. Islam can either fit in, avoid it or fight it. Few choose the first, the second option is not viable as Western economy is the dominant one in the world and that leaves alot of people contemplating the third and more than a few act on that option. If you want a fight, you got it...but option a is the best one i think. I wish for a day we can all forget this nonsense but that day is very far away. Until then, fight the good fight and peace to you and your loved ones
34. Why are these filthy animals from the depths of hell...
DPC ,   United Arab Kingdom   (06.05.06)
talking about us like we're diseased and evil ...do they speak like this while they're queing for their social security cheques paid for by British tax payers for their 12 kids while theyre not man enough to work for a living????? (there are plenty of jobs, go get one, f--k off back to where you came from or drop dead -- your choice). Anyone who seriously thinks muslims are only 5 % of the british population is BLIND. They're more like 95 % lol....anyway, the statistics are clearly not accurate (presumably in the interests of preventing mass civil strife) WE WILL NOT BE DHIMMIS !!! America, please, Britain is a terrorist HQ and training ground overun by muslims, send in the marines and liberate us from this left-wing-liberal-right-wing-muslim-axis-of-evil-theocracy we're living in. Let's say they ARE only 5 %......in 1 generation, Europe will decline significantly while Muslims will rise extra-significantly + rate of conversions....I'd say they'll increase to 25 to 30 % in the next generation (not 50 % as some idiots claim). That's further made worse by their near 100 % voting habits, whilst non-muslim dhimmis only vote at around 35 % ...(+ alot of people will emigrate to USA / australia)....they will control governments!!! so at that stage, no legislation will pass to stop them rising to 50, 60 , 90, 100 percent
35. AK
Majid ,   surrey, uk   (06.05.06)
you accuse me of being "silent and insignificant". i wish the extremists could be obliterated. what do you want me to do? there are too many extremists. im simply saying they dont express true TRUE Islam which is a religion of tolerance and compassion. All i can do is express my opinion as i have done already. im just one man. im not a politician im a commodities broker from surrey. there are sources u can view showing views of moderate muslims. try: www.islamfortoday.com/fundamnetalism.htm and: free muslims against terrorism: http://www.freemuslims.org/
36. link to moderate muslims
Majid ,   surrey, UK   (06.05.06)
http://www.freemuslims.org/issues/
37. next time
george ,   uk   (06.05.06)
so next time a muslims says to you islam is peace, show him this site. and ask to explain, why there is no outcry about these muslims
38. :-DDD I really like the way the moslems do damage control.
Uziel   (06.05.06)
They lie without a shadow of shame, wanting us to believe that the mainstream Islam is a peaceful one. Then, why the majority can impose its rule to the minority? Yes, Islam the religion of peace... http://www.thereligionofpeace.com
39. #23..I agree, but...
DR ,   Florida, USA   (06.05.06)
People always have a choice to change their leadership. If we look at history, people always rise up and win. The sad thing is that not enough Muslims see their own problems or they blame someone else (Jews, America, The West) for all their woes. Education is the primary goal for these people. They need to know what is being doen to them by their corrupt leaders and then, maybe they will revolt. Until that day, though, we will only see this violent, hate-filled side of Islam.
40. #39
David ,   canada   (06.05.06)
It is difficult for a people to revolt while they are being oppressed and intimidated by the rule of ruthlessness! Ask the majority of educated and moderate Arabs looking for reforms. As soon as they wish to express their opinions, they are put away indefinitely or killed.
41. Y aren't the sites the spread hatred being closed
Muhammad-Ali ,   Montreal   (06.06.06)
42. #1
Jasmin ,   Haifa   (06.05.06)
True, there is a lunatic fringe in all religions, political groups, etc. *However,* I don't recall hearing Jewish or Christian leaders calling for murder. Please cite your sources, if you have any!
43. To #1
Chana ,   Haifa   (06.05.06)
Jews especially calling for murder of -- whom? Can you honestly imagine Jewish jihadis screaming the Hebrew equivalent of "Allahu akbar!" before blowing up in a crowd?
44. About #1
Chana ,   Haifa   (06.06.06)
Am I really reading this correctly? Nablusi is equating Kach with jihadis? That's the biggest load of crap I've heard lately!
45. Infidels
Cyril Young ,   Alumim, Israel   (06.06.06)
i left England over 30 years ago when I came to the conclusion that Israel was a better plave for me to live. If the moslems don't like it where they are they are free to leave as well.
46. To: Majid You do truly seem like a good person...
Parkek ,   Hong Kong   (06.06.06)
...however, to the casual observer it is difficult to see how most Arabs and Muslims are moderate, in the "Western" sense of the word. While only a small number (from a relative perspective) are actually involved in terror acts, it is the almost deafening silence from the majority which is so profoundly disturbing. This, in addition to poll results which do show a large degree of support for radical views and people, including OBL. While it may be difficult for people in majority Muslim countries to confront their leaders, both political and religious, this excuse holds no water for Muslim communities in the West. However, the PC liberal left in the West and their failed idea of multi-culturalism (as opposed to the American melting pot theory) is also at least partty to blame (in the West). From a big picture perspective, I see two main issues. The first has to do with the Arab and Islamic world taking responsibility and accountability for their failings. To always look elsewhere for others to blame and play the victim is very counterproductive. The Arab and Muslim world is in dire need of some serious introspection. The second issue is much more fundamental. It has to do with how one interprets the Koran. While you state that "they" don't express TRUE Islam, they would say that you don't express true Islam! Obviously, your interpretation is quite different from theirs. From what I've read about Islam, it like other religions (and religious texts), can be interpreted in multiple ways. In the Koran there are some very problematic passages. They are anything but tolerant or compassionate. From my viewpoint, nothing short of a total remake of Islam will bring about the required changes needed for its adherents to live alongside non-Muslims. In short, Islam is in need of nothing less than a Renaissance.
47. Scientology should be forced down the Muslim's throats.
(06.06.06)
Space aliens are very unhappy that Muslims worship a serial killer, Muhammed, who had every intent to wipe out other religions. Therefore space aliens will send down their sadukar fighters to kill all Muslims, and unite all peoples into the only religion, Scientology. The Sadukar fighters will leave all dying infidel Muslims to die by the roadside. No Mercy for the Muslims who occupy Scientology lands. Muhammed was surely a thief of Scientologists lands. Obviously any person with any real religious harmony with God, knows that Space Aliens colonized this wonderful planet for Scientologists. And if you believe this load of crap, you are just as ignorant as the radical Muslims. Who follows idiots with muffins on their heads anyways. Muffinologists?
48. Scary! check this link out: Arab Invaders
Elias ,   Israel   (06.06.06)
muhijadeen is on its way... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvgTa3izC8o&search=nato%20serbia
49. Adieu to Great Britan
Sabientje ,   Weston, USA   (06.06.06)
My condolences to you Brits. Until you change you immigration laws just like the Netherlands did a couple of years ago...I see you English population dwindling nto perilous lows and the filthy Muslims increasing to dangerously highs.
50. Majid is rubber muslim
Vorax   (06.06.06)
"Majid from surrey uk" is just another Ellen Prescott. Crude work, Big Borther. True muslims aren't peace loving, as true crocodiles aren't vegetarian.
51. #50 Vorax
NTI ,   Red Chili   (06.06.06)
You said exactly what I can't even describe in many more words, thank you.
52. #17 Are you jokeing??!!
Sheikh yer Bu'Tay ,   Tulsa, OK   (06.06.06)
Wrong! TRUE Islam promotes taking slaves! Look at the Qu'ran. Mohammad took slave-girls in battle as booty (Qu'ran 33:50). You can force a slave-girl into prostitution so long as it does not remove her chasity (Quran 24:34). You can force a slave girl to marry and/or have sex with you (Qu'ran 4:3-4, 4:25, 23:1, 24:32, 33:50, 70:22-39). Quran 66 is totally about Muhammad having sex with a Coptic slave-girl against his wifes' wishes. How respectful of women is all of that? Sheikh yer Bu'Tay
53. In Islam, extremism is mainstream
Gregg ,   USA   (06.06.06)
Nabulsi, the problem with your comparison is that in Islam, the "extremists" are the mainstream. The clerics who incite this hatred are not on the fringe, they are running major mosques. In the U.S., organizations such as the Council for American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) has numerous founding members and current leaders with ties to extremist and terrorist organizations.
54. Faithfreedom.org
justice ,   uk   (06.06.06)
Here is a typical apologist, and following takeeya (deception). Its ok to lie in islam to spread religion. www.faithfreedom.org
55. Sheikh yer Bu'Tay
Majid ,   Surrey, UK   (06.06.06)
WHY DO YOU LOVE TO LIE? YOU SEEM TO LOVE TWISTING THINGS TO SUIT YOUR RACIST TENDENCIES. The Quran promotes taking slaves? DONT LIE. NOWHERE IN THE QURAN DOES IT SAY THAT. "Mohammad took slave-girls in battle as booty" (Qu'ran 33:50). IT DOESNT SAT THAT--- 33:50 SAYS YOU CAN MARRY PRISONERS OF WAR AS YOUR WIFE- NOT SLAVE. "You can force a slave-girl into prostitution so long as it does not remove her chasity" (Quran 24:34). WRONG AGAIN NUMNUTZ, 24:33 (not 34) SAYS "But force not your maids to prostitution when they desire chastity". You can force a slave girl to marry and/or have sex with you (Qu'ran 4:3-4, ANOTHER FALLACY-THIS JUST SAYS YOU ARE ALLOWED TO MARRY YOUR MAIDS. Quran 66 is totally about Muhammad having sex with a Coptic slave-girl against his wifes' wishes. NO ITS NOT! NO.66 IS CALLED AL-TAHRIM.... ITS ABOUT PROHIBITION. NOTHING TO DO WITH A COPTIC SLAVEGIRL. YOU OBVIOUSLY KNOW NOTHING OF THE QURAN AND ARE USING AN ALTERED SOURCE TO SUIT YOUR PURPOSES. NICE TRY RABBI
56. Your taqiyya is showing
infidelsarethebest ,   Houston Tx   (06.06.06)
Rabbi says "YOU SEEM TO LOVE TWISTING THINGS TO SUIT YOUR RACIST TENDENCIES." LOL I love how Muslims play the race card even though Islam is not a race. Sounds like a cop out. How stupid do Muslims think we are? Quran 9:30 says Jews and Christians are perversed and cursed. Quran 9:33 says Islam is to be prevail over all religions. What are Muslims going to do? Kill us all? Explain wife beating (Quran 4:34). Oh wait, it does not mean beat your wife, it's "mistranslated" and is supposed to mean to go astray. But how realistic is it that Muhammad, who taught that women should be made to share their marital bed with three other wives at their husband's discretion (but stoned for adultery), who established the "triple talaq" rule that a woman can be thrown out of the house at any time, who did not disapprove of his men raping women captured in battle... how likely is it that Muhammad would be telling a man to move out of the house rather than use physical force to keep his woman in line? I really like post number 1 too denying Islam's threat to humanity. Are there millions of terrorists from a religion other than Islam? Sorry, but Islam means "peace" is not working on us kaffirs anymore.
57. Helping the Infidel
Kirk ,   Michigan, USA   (06.06.06)
You don't hear the west talking about whether a Muslim can be helped if they need it...they just help. Tsunami victims were helped without this debate. Quake victims in Iran were helped without this debate. Whenever a Muslim country is stricken with tragedy the US offers to help with no-strings-attached. Perhaps a better question would be "If I am dying on the road, should I accept help from an Infidel?" The answer to that question would be more interesting.
58. Majid
???   (06.06.06)
"However, to say that islamic values mean---"hatred, murder, genocide, terrorism - everything that can be summarised by the word "jihad". is utterly OFFENSIVE and entirely FALSE and incorrect." I no longer give a rats ass what offends muslims. Your very presence offends me and my values and your fellow muslims continue to threaten my way of life. So excuse the hell out of the rest of us for not caring what offends YOU!
59. Majid
???   (06.06.06)
"Sadly in countries like Saudi Arabia and other countries, traditions and culture get confused with islam and extremism prevails. This is a major problem sadly." This problem is landing on our shores and all you can is that your sad about it. I'm fed up with all of the muslim apologists and wish every single one of you would just go home.
60. DPC
???   (06.06.06)
You want to change things in Britain. Start electing leaders who will not tolerate muslims who encourage violence. Send the muslims who partake in this back to the shitholes they came from.
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